nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

he can be great but chances are that he will be as good for us as ricky ledo was.

And I never get how in this day in age people still post silly PPG.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

he can be great but chances are that he will be as good for us as ricky ledo was.

And I never get how in this day in age people still post silly PPG.

Wroten's numbers are just a small point of reference. Wroten did that at 21 and clearly in need of more development as a player. Ledo ever do that? Any of our guards ever do that? It's just an example of what is possible for him. It's just an indication of his potential. On top of that he's got defensive potential. If he is healthy I think there is some real potential for him to develop in this system.

what do you believe are the chances that he even makes this team or that he gets any real PT?

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

he can be great but chances are that he will be as good for us as ricky ledo was.

And I never get how in this day in age people still post silly PPG.

Wroten's numbers are just a small point of reference. Wroten did that at 21 and clearly in need of more development as a player. Ledo ever do that? Any of our guards ever do that? It's just an example of what is possible for him. It's just an indication of his potential. On top of that he's got defensive potential. If he is healthy I think there is some real potential for him to develop in this system.

what do you believe are the chances that he even makes this team or that he gets any real PT?

It's impossible to guess given we don't know his current status and how far along he is. I hope he's cleared to play after this road trip. It would be a good sign going into the offseason. By the way you talk it sounds like you expect him to be awful. I don't think Phil expects miracles from him right now with such a long layoff. Just get him in the program and take it from there.

I like his talent and expect he should make the team if he's healthy. His raw physical talent is high when healthy. I hope he's been working on his jumper cuz that's his biggest weakness.

yes. I expect him to be awful because that is the logical expectation. You need to understand the distinction between hope and expectations.

I would think that you would temper your expectations based on previous over expectations.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

he can be great but chances are that he will be as good for us as ricky ledo was.

And I never get how in this day in age people still post silly PPG.

Wroten's numbers are just a small point of reference. Wroten did that at 21 and clearly in need of more development as a player. Ledo ever do that? Any of our guards ever do that? It's just an example of what is possible for him. It's just an indication of his potential. On top of that he's got defensive potential. If he is healthy I think there is some real potential for him to develop in this system.

what do you believe are the chances that he even makes this team or that he gets any real PT?

It's impossible to guess given we don't know his current status and how far along he is. I hope he's cleared to play after this road trip. It would be a good sign going into the offseason. By the way you talk it sounds like you expect him to be awful. I don't think Phil expects miracles from him right now with such a long layoff. Just get him in the program and take it from there.

I like his talent and expect he should make the team if he's healthy. His raw physical talent is high when healthy. I hope he's been working on his jumper cuz that's his biggest weakness.

yes. I expect him to be awful because that is the logical expectation. You need to understand the distinction between hope and expectations.

I would think that you would temper your expectations based on previous over expectations.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

None of that means he is as valuable as a first round pick right now. If you had a mid first round pick and ran another team would you trade that pick to us for Wroten or not?
(I'm not asking whether it's possible for Wroten to become a good player. That was not the OP's discussion.)

The current Wroten coming off an injury......No. The 2013-14 Wroten......Yes.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

None of that means he is as valuable as a first round pick right now. If you had a mid first round pick and ran another team would you trade that pick to us for Wroten or not?
(I'm not asking whether it's possible for Wroten to become a good player. That was not the OP's discussion.)

The current Wroten coming off an injury......No. The 2013-14 Wroten......Yes.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

None of that means he is as valuable as a first round pick right now. If you had a mid first round pick and ran another team would you trade that pick to us for Wroten or not?
(I'm not asking whether it's possible for Wroten to become a good player. That was not the OP's discussion.)

The current Wroten coming off an injury......No. The 2013-14 Wroten......Yes.

We have the current one.

Of course we do. But he wouldn't have been available to us if he was the 13/14 version. Given the talent that he has already displayed when healthy, he is really no more risk than any other newly picked mid-first rounder. While certainly no one would trade for him now, the investment risk to the Knicks is very low. The theory buy low sell high comes to mind.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right now? If he's worth a first round pick, we should be able to get a few 2nd rounders for him, right? Except I doubt we'd get anything for him now.

Wroten is coming off an injury and he was cut seemingly because he wasn't 100%. The previous season he was starting and the top scorer. We would be ecstatic if Jerian put up a 17/5/1.6 season. The real point is that there's talent and upside there to be investigated.

Wroten has the size, speed, driving and defensive potential to be successful in this system. Biggest issue is to see if he can get his leg back up to full strength. We don't know what his current status is. He also needs to improve his shot but he can still be a plus even if he's never a great shooter.

None of that means he is as valuable as a first round pick right now. If you had a mid first round pick and ran another team would you trade that pick to us for Wroten or not?
(I'm not asking whether it's possible for Wroten to become a good player. That was not the OP's discussion.)

If Wroten is healthy and fully recovered from his injury, he is a 1st round talent. That's my point. And he's at the age (22) where he could conceivably come out of the draft this year. The reason the Sixers cut him was because of his injury and not having the patience to allow him to rehab and recover. The year before he averaged 17 ppg as as 21 year old--yes on a horrible team--but how many 21 year olds can do that? And when healthy he is one of the BEST point guards in the entire NBA at getting to the rim. Fact.

I'm hoping we can get something good from Wroten cuz it would only help. He needs a lot of help to get his game right. He has talent but he's not a complete player yet. Thing is he's young enough that it's worth taking a shot to see what he can do. We don't have a guard with his level of speed and handles. He gets to the hoop a lot. He has holes in his game but pushing the ball isn't one of them.