crzymdups wrote:Based on Phil's comments, I have a feeling Nic Batum will be a high target this off-season. Big, versatile, playmaking guard.

I also think Evan Turner fits that bill. Maybe if we offer Turner the starting PG job?

Batum has skills. I've had him on my fantasy team over the last 2 yrs. This yr was better but he doesn't seem to bring it on a night in night out basis. I feel that's one of the things we have lacked outside of Melo. A guy that brings it every night needs to be the target.

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Based on Phil's comments, I have a feeling Nic Batum will be a high target this off-season. Big, versatile, playmaking guard.

I also think Evan Turner fits that bill. Maybe if we offer Turner the starting PG job?

Batum has skills. I've had him on my fantasy team over the last 2 yrs. This yr was better but he doesn't seem to bring it on a night in night out basis. I feel that's one of the things we have lacked outside of Melo. A guy that brings it every night needs to be the target.

I wonder if it's more about the role Batum has rather than he himself. He might have a more prominent role in this system. Phil moved Pippen to a more key role. Perhaps a Batum would find it better for him in this system.

The triangle allows Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen maximum freedom, while keeping them within a pattern that averts chaos. It suits Jordan and Pippen's improvising the same way set chord changes and an agreed-upon chorus cycle (say, 16 bars) suit a jazz musician. Sonny Rollins, for instance, can howl away with the knowledge that with the slightest of hints he can signal those in his band when to return to the refrain; likewise, Jordan can drive through traffic knowing that John Paxson is on the wing, Pippen at the top of the circle, and Horace Grant at the corner of the lane. It's been the key to making Jordan and Pippen function as team players.

Pippen and Grant set up on the left so that if the defense is too firmly entrenched on the right Jordan can pass to Pippen, who passes in to Grant while Jordan moves without the ball into the left-hand baseline corner, establishing another triangle. In actual practice, it works as follows. Against Houston two weeks ago, Pippen drove on a mid-tempo fast break and ran right into the Rockets' intimidating center, Hakeem Olajuwon. Pippen backed out on the dribble, into the right-hand corner, drawing Olajuwon and another defender. Pippen then swung the ball swiftly to Paxson high on the right wing, who then passed to Jordan high on the left wing, who took an open three-point shot and hit it, giving the Bulls a 57-41 lead on the way to a 20-point first-half advantage that would all but put the game away. The triangle gives Jordan and Pippen the ability to probe the defense for weakness and sets them within a framework that makes it easiest to exploit that weakness with an open shot.

nykshaknbake wrote:Tony Parker has for sure been a star point guard when SA was winning titles. He may have degraded to quality in recent years. The fact is we have terrible, terrible guard play and Phil has had some time to address it and has dropped the ball on that. You need more than just a decent chucker at one of the 2 guard spots...we don't even have that.

As far as Phil dropping the ball, I'm not so sure that's totally fair. It's not like Phil isn't trying to address the backcourt. Quality PG's aren't just floating around. We need a guard that can also defend at a high level. I think that's gonna be a priority for Phil. He's gonna have another very good shot this summer. Also we need more development of the young players we have. It's a process.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Based on Phil's comments, I have a feeling Nic Batum will be a high target this off-season. Big, versatile, playmaking guard.

I also think Evan Turner fits that bill. Maybe if we offer Turner the starting PG job?

Batum has skills. I've had him on my fantasy team over the last 2 yrs. This yr was better but he doesn't seem to bring it on a night in night out basis. I feel that's one of the things we have lacked outside of Melo. A guy that brings it every night needs to be the target.

Yeah, honestly my top (realistic) choice would still be Brandon Jennings. I think he has the demeanour to bring it every night and the stage of NYC and the Garden would be appealing to him. I think we'd be getting him at exactly the right time in his career - 26yr old, humbled a bit by injury and coming off the bench, ready to take advantage of an opportunity to build something in NY with Melo, Lopez and KP.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Jennings is the best choice.

I hope Phil is not too arrogant to consider a point guard.

The fact that he's talking about Mark Price and Isiah Thomas and ostensibly comparing the game those guys played to Russell Westbrook and Steph Curry is just embarrassing.

I don't think Phil is anti Elite PG but just more realistic that those Elite PG's are rare and his chances of landing an Elite PG are slim. So he had to find another way and was successful without an elite PG. It's possible to win without that Elite PG. That said if one fell into his lap he's going to use them. He's just not going to hold everything else up just to go on a relentless hunt to try and get one. Not when he knows he can build a team that can win without one.

So who can he realistically get that would be even considered an Elite PG? Should he wait on that player or continue to build a team that can win without one? Seems to me he's only being practical.

Top 30 PG's 2015-16

RK  PLAYER	         GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1   Stephen Curry, GS	 61	33.9	.679	20.2	10.4	31.7	2.9	13.4	8.5	32.35	658.5	22.0
2   Ru Westbrook, OKC	 65	34.8	.558	28.7	11.7	33.3	5.8	17.4	11.9	28.25	581.9	19.4
3   Chris Paul, LAC	 59	33.3	.575	32.9	8.9	27.8	1.7	11.3	6.6	26.05	441.7	14.7
4   Kyle Lowry, TOR	 62	37.1	.593	23.5	10.5	25.8	2.4	12.5	7.5	23.60	432.8	14.4
5   Damian Lillard, POR	 59	36.0	.565	20.9	9.7	31.7	2.0	10.7	6.4	23.53	397.0	13.2
6   Isaiah Thomas, BOS	 66	32.5	.561	22.9	9.1	29.0	1.8	7.8	4.7	21.71	342.3	11.4
7   Kyrie Irving, CLE	 38	30.5	.559	18.8	8.7	28.8	3.1	7.3	5.2	21.67	184.6	6.2
8   Kemba Walker, CHA	 63	36.0	.556	19.8	8.1	25.7	2.3	11.3	6.7	21.61	359.1	12.0
9   Reggie Jackson, DET	 64	30.9	.540	23.3	10.1	29.3	2.5	9.3	5.7	20.67	285.2	9.5
10  Eric Bledsoe, PHX	 31	34.2	.557	21.9	12.7	27.4	1.8	11.4	6.5	20.46	149.5	5.0
RK  PLAYER	         GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
11  John Wall, WSH	 64	35.9	.511	29.4	11.9	29.4	1.8	13.7	7.5	20.37	321.4	10.7
12  Jrue Holiday, NO	 58	27.5	.530	25.2	10.5	28.9	1.7	10.6	6.0	20.22	219.8	7.3
13  Mike Conley, MEM	 56	31.4	.538	28.0	6.9	23.2	1.7	9.2	5.4	19.53	224.2	7.5
14  Ricky Rubio, MIN	 60	30.6	.523	42.1	11.4	19.5	2.2	14.3	8.3	17.97	191.1	6.4
15  Tony Parker, SA	 59	27.2	.561	28.9	9.7	21.8	1.0	9.0	5.2	17.48	154.9	5.2
16  Jeff Teague, ATL	 62	28.4	.543	25.6	12.3	25.8	1.7	8.7	5.3	17.38	167.9	5.6
17  M Chalmers, MIA/MEM	 61	22.5	.561	25.5	12.3	18.1	2.0	11.3	6.6	17.36	130.2	4.3
18  Dennis Schroder, ATL 63	20.8	.520	26.2	12.2	27.5	1.9	12.5	7.3	17.15	120.5	4.0
19  Rajon Rondo, SAC	 61	35.4	.499	42.9	13.9	21.4	3.5	15.1	9.4	17.10	196.7	6.6
20  Ramon Sessions, WSH	 64	20.3	.569	20.3	10.2	21.2	1.7	12.6	7.0	16.33	103.5	3.4
RK  PLAYER	         GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
21  Cameron Payne, OKC	 43	11.3	.525	25.3	9.3	21.1	1.9	12.7	7.6	16.22	37.8	1.3
22  Ish Smith, NO/PHI	 60	27.6	.462	29.5	10.0	22.0	1.9	13.0	7.3	15.68	115.8	3.9
23  Patty Mills, SA	 65	20.5	.552	24.5	7.7	19.3	1.9	8.8	5.5	15.60	91.4	3.0
24  Goran Dragic, MIA	 56	32.8	.540	27.4	11.7	21.2	2.3	10.1	6.3	15.26	116.6	3.9
25  Darren Collison, SAC 59	29.2	.579	23.4	10.2	19.2	1.5	6.7	4.1	15.12	106.1	3.5
26  Jordan Clarkson, LAL 63	32.4	.525	13.5	9.1	21.7	3.8	9.6	6.6	15.00	122.1	4.1
27  Brandon Knight, PHX	 43	36.0	.522	18.8	12.6	25.9	1.9	9.6	5.6	14.99	92.2	3.1
28  D'Angelo Russell, LAL 64	27.9	.524	18.9	12.4	23.5	2.1	11.8	6.8	14.88	103.5	3.4
29  T.J. McConnell, PHI	 64	20.0	.519	37.3	14.8	18.1	3.0	15.7	9.2	14.85	73.3	2.4
30  Jarrett Jack, BKN	 32	32.1	.505	32.0	12.8	22.9	1.0	14.1	7.4	14.72	57.0	1.9

2016 Free Agent PG's

PLAYER (25)       POS.  AGE     YOE     FROM    2015 CAP HIT    STATUS
Mike Conley	  PG	28	8	MEM	$9,588,426	UFA
Rajon Rondo	  PG	30	9	SAC	$9,500,000	UFA
Brandon Jennings  PG	26	6	ORL	$8,344,497	UFA
Greivis Vasquez	  PG	29	5	MIL	$6,600,000	UFA
Mario Chalmers	  PG	29	7	MEM	$4,300,000	UFA
Raymond Felton	  PG	31	10	DAL	$3,950,313	UFA
Norris Cole	  PG	27	4	NOP	$3,036,927	UFA
Jerryd Bayless	  PG	27	7	MIL	$3,000,000	UFA
D.J. Augustin	  PG	28	7	DEN	$3,000,000	UFA
Brian Roberts	  PG	30	3	POR	$2,854,940	UFA
Aaron Brooks	  PG	31	7	CHI	$2,250,000	UFA
Steve Blake	  PG	36	12	DET	$2,170,465	UFA
Ramon Sessions	  PG	29	8	WAS	$2,170,465	UFA
Ishmael Smith	  PG	27	5	PHI	$947,276	UFA
Ronnie Price	  PG	32	10	PHX	$947,276	UFA
Pablo Prigioni	  PG	38	3	LAC	$947,276	UFA
Donald Sloan	  PG	28	4	BKN	$947,276	UFA
Isaiah Canaan	  PG	24	2	PHI	$947,276	RFA
Toney Douglas	  PG	29	6	NOP	$924,987	UFA
Jordan Clarkson	  PG	23	1	LAL	$845,059	RFA
Langston Galloway PG	24	1	NYK	$845,059	RFA
Marcelo Huertas	  PG	32		LAL	$525,093	RFA
Andre Miller	  PG	39	16	SAS	$250,750	UFA
Ty Lawson	  PG	28	6	IND	$211,744	UFA

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Tony Parker has for sure been a star point guard when SA was winning titles. He may have degraded to quality in recent years. The fact is we have terrible, terrible guard play and Phil has had some time to address it and has dropped the ball on that. You need more than just a decent chucker at one of the 2 guard spots...we don't even have that.

Sure Parker is a 6 time All Star. The Knicks could use a player like him, no doubt. This system can work even without a star PG tho. It's been proven.

As far as Phil dropping the ball, I'm not so sure that's totally fair. It's not like Phil isn't trying to address the backcourt. Quality PG's aren't just floating around. We need a guard that can also defend at a high level. I think that's gonna be a priority for Phil. He's gonna have another very good shot this summer. Also we need more development of the young players we have. It's a process.

no. It has not been proven.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Tony Parker has for sure been a star point guard when SA was winning titles. He may have degraded to quality in recent years. The fact is we have terrible, terrible guard play and Phil has had some time to address it and has dropped the ball on that. You need more than just a decent chucker at one of the 2 guard spots...we don't even have that.

Sure Parker is a 6 time All Star. The Knicks could use a player like him, no doubt. This system can work even without a star PG tho. It's been proven.

As far as Phil dropping the ball, I'm not so sure that's totally fair. It's not like Phil isn't trying to address the backcourt. Quality PG's aren't just floating around. We need a guard that can also defend at a high level. I think that's gonna be a priority for Phil. He's gonna have another very good shot this summer. Also we need more development of the young players we have. It's a process.

no. It has not been proven.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Tony Parker has for sure been a star point guard when SA was winning titles. He may have degraded to quality in recent years. The fact is we have terrible, terrible guard play and Phil has had some time to address it and has dropped the ball on that. You need more than just a decent chucker at one of the 2 guard spots...we don't even have that.

Sure Parker is a 6 time All Star. The Knicks could use a player like him, no doubt. This system can work even without a star PG tho. It's been proven.

As far as Phil dropping the ball, I'm not so sure that's totally fair. It's not like Phil isn't trying to address the backcourt. Quality PG's aren't just floating around. We need a guard that can also defend at a high level. I think that's gonna be a priority for Phil. He's gonna have another very good shot this summer. Also we need more development of the young players we have. It's a process.

no. It has not been proven.

Phil still has won 5 of the last 16 championships and his teams have appeared in 7/16. I think he deserves a chance to figure things out and he certainly didn't have a dominant point guard.

Neither did lebron have a dominant PG. Wow! Riley is a genius and Lets completely miss the point.

Phil won as a great coach with the best players of all time. He is getting the chance that he deserved and so far, the sh1t (triangle) stinks.

If there was a poll that rated him 1 - 10 for how he has done so far, how do you think he would do? BAD

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Well for one I'm glad we don't have to worry about putting a quality 1 guard out there. It's really an overrated position. I mean what sucessful teams have a star pg as their centerpiece?

There's a difference between a Star PG and a Quality PG. You can't overlook the fact that Phil won all those titles without a Star PG. Just a few years ago he was in 3 straight finals without a star PG. So in terms of proof of his case, Phil has significant evidence on his side.

Tony Parker is high quality but he's not considered a Star PG. So if you look at the most recent titles you don't see a lot of Star PG's. Curry and Westbrook stand out, but it's not the end all be all factor in Finals teams.

2005	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  4–3	Detroit Pistons (2)
2006	Dallas Mavericks (4)	  2–4	Miami Heat (2)
2007	San Antonio Spurs (3)	  4–0	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2008	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  2–4	Boston Celtics (1)
2009	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–1	Orlando Magic (3)
2010	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–3	Boston Celtics (4)
2011	Dallas Mavericks (3)	  4–2	Miami Heat (2)	
2012	Oklahoma City Thunder (2) 1–4	Miami Heat (2)
2013	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  3–4	Miami Heat (1
2014	San Antonio Spurs (1)	  4–1	Miami Heat (2)
2015	Golden State Warriors (1) 4–2	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)

geeez!!!

jordan and kobe were practically PG's like lebron. Duh that they don't NEED a "real" PG.

Maybe riley was running the triangle too?

You really are funny. A SG or SF that has passing skills and can create their own shot is not so unique that only Kobe n MJ have ever done it. They are 2 of the best ever but you can succeed with lesser versions of Big Combo guards. That's the point. Your absolutist take is wrong. They don't have to be AS GREAT as Kobe or MJ in order to be effective and help the team win.

Along with KP's development among others the missing connective element is the backcourt defense and offensive versatility.

they may have to be as good as mj, kobe and shaq if they are going to keep this stupid triangle offense and take a bunch of stupid mid range inefficient shots and not play much more PnR.

Or just get Duncan, Kawahi and Parker. That may do it to. And you keep saying that they are running the/alot of triangle but they set a pick for parker about 90 percent of the time. How about we start with that? Just a little tweeeeeeeeeeeeeenie pick for our pg. Is that to much to ask from the big cheif?

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Well for one I'm glad we don't have to worry about putting a quality 1 guard out there. It's really an overrated position. I mean what sucessful teams have a star pg as their centerpiece?

There's a difference between a Star PG and a Quality PG. You can't overlook the fact that Phil won all those titles without a Star PG. Just a few years ago he was in 3 straight finals without a star PG. So in terms of proof of his case, Phil has significant evidence on his side.

Tony Parker is high quality but he's not considered a Star PG. So if you look at the most recent titles you don't see a lot of Star PG's. Curry and Westbrook stand out, but it's not the end all be all factor in Finals teams.

2005	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  4–3	Detroit Pistons (2)
2006	Dallas Mavericks (4)	  2–4	Miami Heat (2)
2007	San Antonio Spurs (3)	  4–0	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2008	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  2–4	Boston Celtics (1)
2009	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–1	Orlando Magic (3)
2010	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–3	Boston Celtics (4)
2011	Dallas Mavericks (3)	  4–2	Miami Heat (2)	
2012	Oklahoma City Thunder (2) 1–4	Miami Heat (2)
2013	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  3–4	Miami Heat (1
2014	San Antonio Spurs (1)	  4–1	Miami Heat (2)
2015	Golden State Warriors (1) 4–2	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)

geeez!!!

jordan and kobe were practically PG's like lebron. Duh that they don't NEED a "real" PG.

Maybe riley was running the triangle too?

You really are funny. A SG or SF that has passing skills and can create their own shot is not so unique that only Kobe n MJ have ever done it. They are 2 of the best ever but you can succeed with lesser versions of Big Combo guards. That's the point. Your absolutist take is wrong. They don't have to be AS GREAT as Kobe or MJ in order to be effective and help the team win.

Along with KP's development among others the missing connective element is the backcourt defense and offensive versatility.

they may have to be as good as mj, kobe and shaq if they are going to keep this stupid triangle offense and take a bunch of stupid mid range inefficient shots and not play much more PnR.

Or just get Duncan, Kawahi and Parker. That may do it to. And you keep saying that they are running the/alot of triangle but they set a pick for parker about 90 percent of the time. How about we start with that? Just a little tweeeeeeeeeeeeeenie pick for our pg. Is that to much to ask from the big cheif?

Do you know how many PnRs Jose and Gallo/Grant run to compare it with the league?

no. Just my naked eye test. Do you?

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Well for one I'm glad we don't have to worry about putting a quality 1 guard out there. It's really an overrated position. I mean what sucessful teams have a star pg as their centerpiece?

There's a difference between a Star PG and a Quality PG. You can't overlook the fact that Phil won all those titles without a Star PG. Just a few years ago he was in 3 straight finals without a star PG. So in terms of proof of his case, Phil has significant evidence on his side.

Tony Parker is high quality but he's not considered a Star PG. So if you look at the most recent titles you don't see a lot of Star PG's. Curry and Westbrook stand out, but it's not the end all be all factor in Finals teams.

2005	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  4–3	Detroit Pistons (2)
2006	Dallas Mavericks (4)	  2–4	Miami Heat (2)
2007	San Antonio Spurs (3)	  4–0	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2008	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  2–4	Boston Celtics (1)
2009	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–1	Orlando Magic (3)
2010	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–3	Boston Celtics (4)
2011	Dallas Mavericks (3)	  4–2	Miami Heat (2)	
2012	Oklahoma City Thunder (2) 1–4	Miami Heat (2)
2013	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  3–4	Miami Heat (1
2014	San Antonio Spurs (1)	  4–1	Miami Heat (2)
2015	Golden State Warriors (1) 4–2	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)

geeez!!!

jordan and kobe were practically PG's like lebron. Duh that they don't NEED a "real" PG.

Maybe riley was running the triangle too?

You really are funny. A SG or SF that has passing skills and can create their own shot is not so unique that only Kobe n MJ have ever done it. They are 2 of the best ever but you can succeed with lesser versions of Big Combo guards. That's the point. Your absolutist take is wrong. They don't have to be AS GREAT as Kobe or MJ in order to be effective and help the team win.

Along with KP's development among others the missing connective element is the backcourt defense and offensive versatility.

they may have to be as good as mj, kobe and shaq if they are going to keep this stupid triangle offense and take a bunch of stupid mid range inefficient shots and not play much more PnR.

Or just get Duncan, Kawahi and Parker. That may do it to. And you keep saying that they are running the/alot of triangle but they set a pick for parker about 90 percent of the time. How about we start with that? Just a little tweeeeeeeeeeeeeenie pick for our pg. Is that to much to ask from the big cheif?

Do you know how many PnRs Jose and Gallo/Grant run to compare it with the league?

no. Just my naked eye test. Do you?

I'm afraid I don't. Maybe NBA.com has it or synergy stats might have a breakdown. I remember earlier in the year Jose and Grants rate was pretty high compared to the league.

let me know if you find this data. Would be interesting to see.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Well for one I'm glad we don't have to worry about putting a quality 1 guard out there. It's really an overrated position. I mean what sucessful teams have a star pg as their centerpiece?

There's a difference between a Star PG and a Quality PG. You can't overlook the fact that Phil won all those titles without a Star PG. Just a few years ago he was in 3 straight finals without a star PG. So in terms of proof of his case, Phil has significant evidence on his side.

Tony Parker is high quality but he's not considered a Star PG. So if you look at the most recent titles you don't see a lot of Star PG's. Curry and Westbrook stand out, but it's not the end all be all factor in Finals teams.

2005	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  4–3	Detroit Pistons (2)
2006	Dallas Mavericks (4)	  2–4	Miami Heat (2)
2007	San Antonio Spurs (3)	  4–0	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)
2008	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  2–4	Boston Celtics (1)
2009	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–1	Orlando Magic (3)
2010	Los Angeles Lakers (1)	  4–3	Boston Celtics (4)
2011	Dallas Mavericks (3)	  4–2	Miami Heat (2)	
2012	Oklahoma City Thunder (2) 1–4	Miami Heat (2)
2013	San Antonio Spurs (2)	  3–4	Miami Heat (1
2014	San Antonio Spurs (1)	  4–1	Miami Heat (2)
2015	Golden State Warriors (1) 4–2	Cleveland Cavaliers (2)

geeez!!!

jordan and kobe were practically PG's like lebron. Duh that they don't NEED a "real" PG.

Maybe riley was running the triangle too?

You really are funny. A SG or SF that has passing skills and can create their own shot is not so unique that only Kobe n MJ have ever done it. They are 2 of the best ever but you can succeed with lesser versions of Big Combo guards. That's the point. Your absolutist take is wrong. They don't have to be AS GREAT as Kobe or MJ in order to be effective and help the team win.

Along with KP's development among others the missing connective element is the backcourt defense and offensive versatility.

they may have to be as good as mj, kobe and shaq if they are going to keep this stupid triangle offense and take a bunch of stupid mid range inefficient shots and not play much more PnR.

Or just get Duncan, Kawahi and Parker. That may do it to. And you keep saying that they are running the/alot of triangle but they set a pick for parker about 90 percent of the time. How about we start with that? Just a little tweeeeeeeeeeeeeenie pick for our pg. Is that to much to ask from the big cheif?

Do you know how many PnRs Jose and Gallo/Grant run to compare it with the league?

no. Just my naked eye test. Do you?

I'm afraid I don't. Maybe NBA.com has it or synergy stats might have a breakdown. I remember earlier in the year Jose and Grants rate was pretty high compared to the league.

let me know if you find this data. Would be interesting to see.

Will do.

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/ball-handler/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Time

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/ball-handler/?dir=1&PT=team&OD=offensive&sort=Time

Interesting stuff. I will wait to comment after I look at the stats more closely. I just wanted to put it up once I was able to find the information.

However, I must commend NBA.com and there upgraded stats database over the past two year. It is truly a treasure trove of information.