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3/11/2016  5:15 PM
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nixluva wrote:Seems to me that the last guy Phil needs to be worried about is Melo. Upgrading the roster and further development of the talent he has is where he's going to need to be focused. There has been some progress even if it's not as much as was hoped for. No point in panicking or making rash decisions.

so your saying phil needs to get rid of the player he just got for better ones.

You don't think Phil knows this? I mean, come on, right?

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nixluva wrote:Seems to me that the last guy Phil needs to be worried about is Melo. Upgrading the roster and further development of the talent he has is where he's going to need to be focused. There has been some progress even if it's not as much as was hoped for. No point in panicking or making rash decisions.

so your saying phil needs to get rid of the player he just got for better ones.


Why are you taking only that angle? Upgrading the Roster is something EVERY team does unless they're the Champs. That's only to be expected. I also mentioned further development of the talent we have, but you seem to have ignored that part of my post.
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3/11/2016  5:19 PM
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blkexec wrote:He wants to spend less on a PG....(Ron Harper)....and more on the superstars (MJ / Pippen / Kobe / Shaq).

And I think I understand why he prefers a taller defensive PG. In the Triangle, the PG's are usually the ones who's first in line to slow down the fast break.

I think Phil wants to make one of these three into a starting PG.....(Grant, Gallo, Wotten)

I dont care what the stats say, Harper took a long time to thrive in the system. Might want to find PGs who have some experience at running an offshoot of the Triangle with some other team. Might help speed up the process of becoming acclimated to the system.

how about looking for the best players avail and the best coach avail?

Preaching to the converted. Surprised I have to point that out after many posts on the subject. Would love to sign Westbrook, but since there are more likely scenarios (considering Phil's own words) I'm going to comment on plan B (in my book) as well.

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3/11/2016  5:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2016  5:24 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Seems to me that the last guy Phil needs to be worried about is Melo. Upgrading the roster and further development of the talent he has is where he's going to need to be focused. There has been some progress even if it's not as much as was hoped for. No point in panicking or making rash decisions.

so your saying phil needs to get rid of the player he just got for better ones.


Why are you taking only that angle? Upgrading the Roster is something EVERY team does unless they're the Champs. That's only to be expected. I also mentioned further development of the talent we have, but you seem to have ignored that part of my post.

No im not, but I don't get it, I know we have a confusing system that no nba player is going to pick it up in 6 months.

Bringing in more new blood to experience the same issus's is not smart at all. The root of the problem is not just a talent thing, in fact, it's the least of our problems if you ask me;. That doesn't mean it doesn't need an upgrade, it's just that the culture hasn't change one bit.

The team doesn't know how to win

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3/11/2016  5:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/11/2016  5:39 PM
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nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Seems to me that the last guy Phil needs to be worried about is Melo. Upgrading the roster and further development of the talent he has is where he's going to need to be focused. There has been some progress even if it's not as much as was hoped for. No point in panicking or making rash decisions.

so your saying phil needs to get rid of the player he just got for better ones.


Why are you taking only that angle? Upgrading the Roster is something EVERY team does unless they're the Champs. That's only to be expected. I also mentioned further development of the talent we have, but you seem to have ignored that part of my post.

No im not, but I don't get it, I know we have a confusing system that no nba player is going to pick it up in 6 months.

Bringing in more new blood to experience the same issus's is not smart at all. The root of the problem is not just a talent thing, in fact, it's the least of our problems if you ask me;. That doesn't mean it doesn't need an upgrade, it's just that the culture hasn't change one bit.

The team doesn't know how to win

Our team would start to win more as KP becomes more of a consistent producer. Even with the guard play not being great all yr. Earlier in the yr we had a lot of success due to KP showing flashes of brilliance. The rim protection that he and Lopez were able to provide early on was fantastic. As KP started to hit the wall so did our season.

KPs improvement and another *consistent* producer at the guard position with Melo would improve this team drastically.

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LOS ANGELES – Knicks president Phil Jackson said he staged a successful meeting on this road trip with Carmelo Anthony to assure him of their future and is still evaluating interim coach Kurt Rambis, but gave a positive review, saying Rambis is still “capable” of hanging onto the job for next season.

And Jackson delivered one of the highlight moments of his 30-minute press gathering Friday at Staples Center when asked if he will fulfill his five-year contract amid speculation he could exercise his opt-out next March at the 3-year anniversary and head back to Los Angeles.

Jackson said he’s “in it to win it.’’

“I’m in LA right now,’’ said Jackson, who has a home in Playa Del Rey. “I’m enjoying it. I rode my bike yesterday. This is another part of my life. [But] the energy I have is directed toward turning this team around. It’s taken my full effort and so far it’s been a challenge. I’m still in it. And I’m in it to win it.’’

Jackson, speaking after the Knicks shootaround before they face the Clippers, said unequivocally he still sees Anthony as a cornerstone to the franchise. But if the Knicks’ wavering superstar ever wants to leave, “It’s in his lap.” However, Jackson said he doesn’t believe Anthony wants to go, based on their talk.

“We had a conversation,’’ Jackson said. “We had some time on this trip to talk. We went through all the things — the disappointment. He sees the potential that we have. He asked questions on where we’re going. We discussed it.

“You guys know Melo. Sometimes you got to solicit things out of Carmelo. My conversation [this week], I didn’t. He came out and asked questions. I think engagement was important. And he was engaged. There’s never been any other discussion [other than him wanting in].”

Anthony has a no-trade clause so even if Jackson wanted to deal him, he can’t.

“It’s entirely up to Carmelo,’’ Jackson said. “He has it in his contract. It’s part of our agreement with him. If you want to leave, you have the decision to leave. We don’t have that. That’s the contract we negotiated with him. It’s in his lap.

“But we like a lot of what he played at this year. I think he got disappointed at some point and things happen. I’ve seen the ball move better a lot of times. Not as many holds. Sometimes he feels he needs to take the game over because we’re starting to fall behind by double digits. I’m trying to say stick to the program. There’s hope there. He’s got to see that.’’

Jackson isn’t happy with the Rambis results — the Knicks are 4-8 since the coaching change — but Jackson seems overjoyed about the rapport the two of them share daily, giving the Zen Master more input into the process. That could bode well for Rambis’ future as Jackson detailed the pair’s history, dating to 2001 when Jackson took over the Lakers, and served as another subtle strike against Derek Fisher.

“He knows the ins and outs,’’ Jackson said. “What has pleased me, we have relationship where he’ll call up and say, ‘What do you think about that game or a substitution pattern? Or at the end of the Boston game, I need to know.’ We have a relationship that’s much more tight. Having tried to create autonomy for Derek separated me from the direct contact.”

Jackson said GM Steve Mills conversed more with Fisher than he does with Rambis. But that doesn’t mean Rambis will be back, though it did seem the Zen Master was trying to sell the notion.

“We have to see growth for next season,’’ Jackson said. “I have to see if this team moves or doesn’t move with what goes on [the rest of the] season. I think he’s perfectly capable of doing that. We talked many times over the past four, five years about the obvious record created behind his coaching in Minnesota [that] puts a black mark on his coaching ability. He’s got a way of handling players. He’s relaxed but has ability to keep them focused on the important parts of it. We’ll see how it goes.’’

The Knicks have $18 million on cap room for this offseason, but could add more if Arron Afflalo and Derrick Williams opt out of their contracts. Jackson said it’s no secret what they need – backcourt help — but he’s not “obsessed’’ with adding an elite point guard because of the triangle system.


Jackson acknowledged starting point guard Jose Calderon is “entering the latter part of his career,’’ and even mentioned the soon-to-be-signed Tony Wroten as someone to consider.

“My idea of chasing a point guard where it becomes just an obsession isn’t necessary,’’ Jackson said. “It’s not necessary. We can play the game without that. But we still need good performers.

“Everybody’s going to be flush with money. It’s going to be a seller’s [player’s] market. We have a definite idea how to help this team. I don’t think they’re secrets or mysteries. We’re just going to do just fine in free agency.”

Jackson said he’s not sure if “the market will provide enough money for more than one” important free agent.

“We’d like to have more than one and like to keep some of our guys who will be free agents,’’ Jackson said.

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3/11/2016  6:08 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:Seems to me that the last guy Phil needs to be worried about is Melo. Upgrading the roster and further development of the talent he has is where he's going to need to be focused. There has been some progress even if it's not as much as was hoped for. No point in panicking or making rash decisions.

so your saying phil needs to get rid of the player he just got for better ones.


Why are you taking only that angle? Upgrading the Roster is something EVERY team does unless they're the Champs. That's only to be expected. I also mentioned further development of the talent we have, but you seem to have ignored that part of my post.

No im not, but I don't get it, I know we have a confusing system that no nba player is going to pick it up in 6 months.

Bringing in more new blood to experience the same issus's is not smart at all. The root of the problem is not just a talent thing, in fact, it's the least of our problems if you ask me;. That doesn't mean it doesn't need an upgrade, it's just that the culture hasn't change one bit.

The team doesn't know how to win

Our team would start to win more as KP becomes more of a consistent producer. Even with the guard play not being great all yr. Earlier in the yr we had a lot of success due to KP showing flashes of brilliance. The rim protection that he and Lopez were able to provide early on was fantastic. As KP started to hit the wall so did our season.

KPs improvement and another *consistent* producer at the guard position with Melo would improve this team drastically.

Wow, imagine that. A thought that Melo might need some consistent help.

Cue the:

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3/11/2016  6:20 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:when are we going to find consistency in our rotation?

we can even get that straight

Compared to last season, when we had a different starting 5 each game, this is pretty consistent. We are playing the same 7 guys consistently and maybe tinkering around with the last couple spots in the rotation here and there. We have a lot of very average players off the bench with overlapping skills, so it is hard for any of them to really separate themselves. But i agree, that is the coach's job to figure out.

I guess I have the exact opposite criticism- I'd like to see D Williams get used more as well as KOQ. And of late, less KP as he must have hit a wall here.

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3/11/2016  7:06 PM
Here is the interview:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2016/03/11/1457729104819-160311phil-hd-720p.mov-352450
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3/11/2016  7:21 PM
Definitely worth listening to. Melo will be back and Phil seems pleased overall with Melo and he was asked about his comments about Melo around the trade deadline. Rambis might be back but it doesn't sound like it is a done deal. He also said that playing Melo forty minutes a night serves no purpose now and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with him off the floor. Mentioned wanting to see Seraphin more and said he hasn't told Rambis to play Jerian more yet.
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3/11/2016  7:44 PM
Great stuff on Kobe. Also worth a listen if you think the sky is falling because of the snippet the media is putting out there about point guards. Referenced Wroten and said he has a lot of medical needs but that they were going to give him a chance kind of like Ricky Ledo.
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3/11/2016  7:47 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Definitely worth listening to. Melo will be back and Phil seems pleased overall with Melo and he was asked about his comments about Melo around the trade deadline. Rambis might be back but it doesn't sound like it is a done deal. He also said that playing Melo forty minutes a night serves no purpose now and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with him off the floor. Mentioned wanting to see Seraphin more and said he hasn't told Rambis to play Jerian more yet.

Thats why Phil on't go outside his circle to find a coach, because no coach want a GM to tell him who to play and when, and i don't want a coach who doesn't know how to make the right moves on his own, and have sccessful results.

melo is right, we have enough talent to win, and he has to be frustrating not to see fisher and rambust not be able to figure out who to play and when

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3/11/2016  7:54 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Definitely worth listening to. Melo will be back and Phil seems pleased overall with Melo and he was asked about his comments about Melo around the trade deadline. Rambis might be back but it doesn't sound like it is a done deal. He also said that playing Melo forty minutes a night serves no purpose now and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with him off the floor. Mentioned wanting to see Seraphin more and said he hasn't told Rambis to play Jerian more yet.

Thats why Phil on't go outside his circle to find a coach, because no coach want a GM to tell him who to play and when, and i don't want a coach who doesn't know how to make the right moves on his own, and have sccessful results.

melo is right, we have enough talent to win, and he has to be frustrating not to see fisher and rambust not be able to figure out who to play and when

If the coach is part of the organization's future and the team is not going to make the playoffs it seems like it would be in the organization's best interest to see if some guys are worth keeping and not to run the star player into the ground chasing the 9th or 10th spot. He said they still want to win. I think most gm/president types would make these suggestions to their coach. Evaluating Rambis on how the team 'responds' is a little different than just wins and losses. If Rambis feels he has to win to keep his spot then he probably continues what he is doing. Rambis will be back next year in some capacity but he may not be the head coach.
I think Phil doesn't go outside his circle because he wants the Knicks to play the triangle. He talked about having a low profile and giving Fisher autonomy.
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CrushAlot wrote:Definitely worth listening to. Melo will be back and Phil seems pleased overall with Melo and he was asked about his comments about Melo around the trade deadline. Rambis might be back but it doesn't sound like it is a done deal. He also said that playing Melo forty minutes a night serves no purpose now and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with him off the floor. Mentioned wanting to see Seraphin more and said he hasn't told Rambis to play Jerian more yet.

Thats why Phil on't go outside his circle to find a coach, because no coach want a GM to tell him who to play and when, and i don't want a coach who doesn't know how to make the right moves on his own, and have sccessful results.

melo is right, we have enough talent to win, and he has to be frustrating not to see fisher and rambust not be able to figure out who to play and when

If the coach is part of the organization's future and the team is not going to make the playoffs it seems like it would be in the organization's best interest to see if some guys are worth keeping and not to run the star player into the ground chasing the 9th or 10th spot. He said they still want to win. I think most gm/president types would make these suggestions to their coach. Evaluating Rambis on how the team 'responds' is a little different than just wins and losses. If Rambis feels he has to win to keep his spot then he probably continues what he is doing. Rambis will be back next year in some capacity but he may not be the head coach.
I think Phil doesn't go outside his circle because he wants the Knicks to play the triangle. He talked about having a low profile and giving Fisher autonomy.


IDK, rambust being good friends with phil is not a good mix, that's another judgement cloud

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3/11/2016  11:13 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Definitely worth listening to. Melo will be back and Phil seems pleased overall with Melo and he was asked about his comments about Melo around the trade deadline. Rambis might be back but it doesn't sound like it is a done deal. He also said that playing Melo forty minutes a night serves no purpose now and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with him off the floor. Mentioned wanting to see Seraphin more and said he hasn't told Rambis to play Jerian more yet.

Thats why Phil on't go outside his circle to find a coach, because no coach want a GM to tell him who to play and when, and i don't want a coach who doesn't know how to make the right moves on his own, and have sccessful results.

melo is right, we have enough talent to win, and he has to be frustrating not to see fisher and rambust not be able to figure out who to play and when

If the coach is part of the organization's future and the team is not going to make the playoffs it seems like it would be in the organization's best interest to see if some guys are worth keeping and not to run the star player into the ground chasing the 9th or 10th spot. He said they still want to win. I think most gm/president types would make these suggestions to their coach. Evaluating Rambis on how the team 'responds' is a little different than just wins and losses. If Rambis feels he has to win to keep his spot then he probably continues what he is doing. Rambis will be back next year in some capacity but he may not be the head coach.
I think Phil doesn't go outside his circle because he wants the Knicks to play the triangle. He talked about having a low profile and giving Fisher autonomy.


IDK, rambust being good friends with phil is not a good mix, that's another judgement cloud

I agree that Phil hires from his inner circle but I think the motivation for Phil is all triangle.
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3/12/2016  8:30 AM
Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

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ChuckBuck wrote:Phil just hand feeding all the Knicks fans exactly what they want to hear.


If that doesn't give you goosebumps down your spine, then nothing will. The system over the player is what I always say.

Why Chase what's not there? This FA summer is good of elite PGs. Conley is good but not elite by any means. The guard who would have been a good fit was Chalmers but he is off the board or should be.

He said something about looking for underground ways to improve the PG. That's tough to interpret. My guess is development from within (Grant), a trade at some point, or maybe signing someone like Batum who offers more of a point forward/wing. I interpret it as not necessarily needing the playmaking to come from the PG position within this offense, but obviously he will need to upgrade the playmaking somewhere in the lineup, possibly from the SG position. Upgrading defensively at the PG is just as important or more important than the playmaking part of it. We can't keep getting shredded by every PG out there. Galloway or Grant solves that problem if you have the right SG next to them, which Afflalo is not. Batum might be.

Agree 100%. Also could be stopgap type additions. Next year is year of pg FA

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nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.

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nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

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3/12/2016  1:32 PM
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nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system
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