EnySpree wrote:I don't get you retards.

The only way we can win is if we become Philly for 10 years and just keep stockpiling picks until we get some good players by the grace of God? Hire Luke Walton and tell him were going tu sick for 10 years. Nurture? Why not hire Doctor Phil?

Yet the climate surrounding the Knicks is so disgusting. Scrapping the Knicks and losing every year is what you want?

The truth is were building for the future and trying to win now at the same time. You ignorant fans can't see it. We have Kristaps, Grant, Derrick, Cleananthony, Wroten, Galloway.... we have Gomez in Spain. We have that french kid. We have one of the best d league teams out there.

Even with Melo the Knicks cap situation is fantastic. We can afford another max deal this summer or ad 2 or 3 quality guys to help out.

What more do you want? We are in a fantastic situation

Building for the future and trying to win now is an oxymoron. You need a 5 to 6 year plan. You have KP, now he needs a running mate in the lottery. You get another blue chip prospect in 2017, then you can go spending with all the cap room you have saved. Don't waste it on Conley, Howard, Rondo, and these old bums. Do try to spend it in 2017 on Westbrook.

The only problem with the Philly analogy is they never cashed their plethora of picks in. They always seemed to trade their young talents for more and more picks. We already have our cornerstone in KP, we just have to fill in around him.

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it's hard to really say what we would get for Melo IF he wanted to leave, which he doesn't seem to want to do at all. He's talking about recruiting players to come here so I really don't see any hope of him waiving his NTC. Melo is talking about adding a PG like Rondo. He's making it clear he sees the problem as predominantly a backcourt issue. Him not waiving his NTC makes any trade discussion moot. All we can do is shop wisely in the FA Market and continue to find and develop our young prospects.

The smarter thing to do would be to tank HARD for 2017 lottery pick, continue to develop KP, don't spend any of the cap room this year, and save it for 2017 hoping the trifecta happens:

1)KP on the verge of All Star status
2)Top 5 Lottery pick with a stud to play along side KP
3)One of the top 3 free agents in 2017 decides to take the NY plunge.

Really, whether Melo stays or goes is irrelevant if the goal is sustained winning for the Knicks. Though a Melo trade bringing back picks would be infinitely more advantageous in speeding up the 5 to 6 year process to maybe a 4 or 5 year plan.

Most likely it wouldn't all work out so perfectly like that though. We could look at best case scenario for the other option as well. Like landing Derozen and becoming a playoff team. Then landing another quality FA the following yr when KP is now in his 3rd yr. Giving us 4 really good players and giving KP a taste of how to win and playoff competition. While also keeping our picks and building a pipeline. Which would also build NYs credibility back up as a franchise.

Regardless of what we think is best. Unless Melo is willing to waive his NTC at the draft we are going to have to wait until FA regardless. Trading Melo most likely wont be an option unless we strike out in FA, which is possible.

I'm going option c- put Melo on cryongenic hibernation, lose better than the 76'ers and nab a top 5 talent in the draft & sign some game changers in 2017 (Westbrook, etc).

But, yes, the target horizon for building this team should be 3-5 years from now, not next year.

What I don't want them to do is just be slightly better next year and lose draft position, and then continue to get ever so slightly better, all the while KP turns into the next Patrick Ewing - lots of talent/heart without any supporting cast.

You would be banking on top flight FAs signing to a rebuilding situation. And or that top 5 pick Turning into a stud when there is a possibility that he turns into just a solid player. The 3-5 yr estimation only works if that pick is a hit. That's y teams that rely on lotto picks usually stay there. And the teams that get the lotto pick by natural process fair better. Golden State traded for David Lee and Bogut trying to be a playoff team. Landed Draymond in the 2nd round. Klay fell to them at number 11 in the draft.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing now?

Exactly. We're banking on Conley, Dwight Howard, Rondo, Horford, Jennings or Batum to bail our asses out this summer already. Smart money would put that money away for later and tank this upcoming season.

The difference is we'd be stockpiling younger pieces before splashing the free agent pot. Get KP that running mate in 2017 lottery. Accumulate more young flexible pieces. Then snag that free agent later.

We are banking on them currently because we gave up our draft pick in the Bargs trade. But we aren't exactly banking on them because even without them we have the flexibility to improve.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it's hard to really say what we would get for Melo IF he wanted to leave, which he doesn't seem to want to do at all. He's talking about recruiting players to come here so I really don't see any hope of him waiving his NTC. Melo is talking about adding a PG like Rondo. He's making it clear he sees the problem as predominantly a backcourt issue. Him not waiving his NTC makes any trade discussion moot. All we can do is shop wisely in the FA Market and continue to find and develop our young prospects.

The smarter thing to do would be to tank HARD for 2017 lottery pick, continue to develop KP, don't spend any of the cap room this year, and save it for 2017 hoping the trifecta happens:

1)KP on the verge of All Star status
2)Top 5 Lottery pick with a stud to play along side KP
3)One of the top 3 free agents in 2017 decides to take the NY plunge.

Really, whether Melo stays or goes is irrelevant if the goal is sustained winning for the Knicks. Though a Melo trade bringing back picks would be infinitely more advantageous in speeding up the 5 to 6 year process to maybe a 4 or 5 year plan.

Most likely it wouldn't all work out so perfectly like that though. We could look at best case scenario for the other option as well. Like landing Derozen and becoming a playoff team. Then landing another quality FA the following yr when KP is now in his 3rd yr. Giving us 4 really good players and giving KP a taste of how to win and playoff competition. While also keeping our picks and building a pipeline. Which would also build NYs credibility back up as a franchise.

Regardless of what we think is best. Unless Melo is willing to waive his NTC at the draft we are going to have to wait until FA regardless. Trading Melo most likely wont be an option unless we strike out in FA, which is possible.

I'm going option c- put Melo on cryongenic hibernation, lose better than the 76'ers and nab a top 5 talent in the draft & sign some game changers in 2017 (Westbrook, etc).

But, yes, the target horizon for building this team should be 3-5 years from now, not next year.

What I don't want them to do is just be slightly better next year and lose draft position, and then continue to get ever so slightly better, all the while KP turns into the next Patrick Ewing - lots of talent/heart without any supporting cast.

You would be banking on top flight FAs signing to a rebuilding situation. And or that top 5 pick Turning into a stud when there is a possibility that he turns into just a solid player. The 3-5 yr estimation only works if that pick is a hit. That's y teams that rely on lotto picks usually stay there. And the teams that get the lotto pick by natural process fair better. Golden State traded for David Lee and Bogut trying to be a playoff team. Landed Draymond in the 2nd round. Klay fell to them at number 11 in the draft.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing now?

Exactly. We're banking on Conley, Dwight Howard, Rondo, Horford, Jennings or Batum to bail our asses out this summer already. Smart money would put that money away for later and tank this upcoming season.

The difference is we'd be stockpiling younger pieces before splashing the free agent pot. Get KP that running mate in 2017 lottery. Accumulate more young flexible pieces. Then snag that free agent later.

That's fine in theory, what if the young player turns out to be just okay and not a stud. The same amount of hope needed in option A is needed in option B.

It's simple. Would you want a 2017 top 5-10 pick potential KP running mate for the next 10 years and potentially a top 3 player in Westbrook?

Or would you settle for a top 30 player Conley for 5 years and maybe a role player draft pick in the teens?

There's risk in both ways, but one way seems way less riskier for sustainable winning.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it's hard to really say what we would get for Melo IF he wanted to leave, which he doesn't seem to want to do at all. He's talking about recruiting players to come here so I really don't see any hope of him waiving his NTC. Melo is talking about adding a PG like Rondo. He's making it clear he sees the problem as predominantly a backcourt issue. Him not waiving his NTC makes any trade discussion moot. All we can do is shop wisely in the FA Market and continue to find and develop our young prospects.

The smarter thing to do would be to tank HARD for 2017 lottery pick, continue to develop KP, don't spend any of the cap room this year, and save it for 2017 hoping the trifecta happens:

1)KP on the verge of All Star status
2)Top 5 Lottery pick with a stud to play along side KP
3)One of the top 3 free agents in 2017 decides to take the NY plunge.

Really, whether Melo stays or goes is irrelevant if the goal is sustained winning for the Knicks. Though a Melo trade bringing back picks would be infinitely more advantageous in speeding up the 5 to 6 year process to maybe a 4 or 5 year plan.

Most likely it wouldn't all work out so perfectly like that though. We could look at best case scenario for the other option as well. Like landing Derozen and becoming a playoff team. Then landing another quality FA the following yr when KP is now in his 3rd yr. Giving us 4 really good players and giving KP a taste of how to win and playoff competition. While also keeping our picks and building a pipeline. Which would also build NYs credibility back up as a franchise.

Regardless of what we think is best. Unless Melo is willing to waive his NTC at the draft we are going to have to wait until FA regardless. Trading Melo most likely wont be an option unless we strike out in FA, which is possible.

I'm going option c- put Melo on cryongenic hibernation, lose better than the 76'ers and nab a top 5 talent in the draft & sign some game changers in 2017 (Westbrook, etc).

But, yes, the target horizon for building this team should be 3-5 years from now, not next year.

What I don't want them to do is just be slightly better next year and lose draft position, and then continue to get ever so slightly better, all the while KP turns into the next Patrick Ewing - lots of talent/heart without any supporting cast.

You would be banking on top flight FAs signing to a rebuilding situation. And or that top 5 pick Turning into a stud when there is a possibility that he turns into just a solid player. The 3-5 yr estimation only works if that pick is a hit. That's y teams that rely on lotto picks usually stay there. And the teams that get the lotto pick by natural process fair better. Golden State traded for David Lee and Bogut trying to be a playoff team. Landed Draymond in the 2nd round. Klay fell to them at number 11 in the draft.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing now?

Exactly. We're banking on Conley, Dwight Howard, Rondo, Horford, Jennings or Batum to bail our asses out this summer already. Smart money would put that money away for later and tank this upcoming season.

The difference is we'd be stockpiling younger pieces before splashing the free agent pot. Get KP that running mate in 2017 lottery. Accumulate more young flexible pieces. Then snag that free agent later.

That's fine in theory, what if the young player turns out to be just okay and not a stud. The same amount of hope needed in option A is needed in option B.

It's simple. Would you want a 2017 top 5-10 pick potential KP running mate for the next 10 years and potentially a top 3 player in Westbrook?

Or would you settle for a top 30 player Conley for 5 years and maybe a role player draft pick in the teens?

There's risk in both ways, but one way seems way less riskier for sustainable winning.

If you land Conley and we are a playoff team then we would have cap space for another FA as well the following yr when Calderon AA D.Williams comes off the books as well as that draft pick. And the odds are higher to land that FA if he knows he's going to play with KP Melo Conley Lopez.

We can look at all the teams this past FA who had cap space and who were rebuilding. How many of them landed a big time FA? LMA went to playoff team, Mathews went to a playoff team, Monroe went to a playoff team, Butler resigned, Leonard resigned, Jordan went to a playoff team the changed his mind and resigned.

Most of our success going forward would depend on that lotto pick. Now if you can guarantee me Simmons.... Or a proven young player...

Landing Conley this season would be a unmitigated disaster for the Knicks, franchise wise. We're currently on pace for say 30-35 wins, correct? Let's just say we add a peak Conley in his prime, and Melo and KP and the gang are all healthy. Peak Conley probably adds 5 to 10 wins let's say conservatively. That puts us in perpetual 8th seed territory with shytty draft picks and jeopardizes any chances at getting a hungry for change Westbrook in 2017 with all our money tied up in Conley.

That's just plain nightmare fuel. Perpetual mediocrity for 4 to 5 years...

Better to tank proper for a lottery pick in 2017 and chance to pair KP with someone signficant.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it's hard to really say what we would get for Melo IF he wanted to leave, which he doesn't seem to want to do at all. He's talking about recruiting players to come here so I really don't see any hope of him waiving his NTC. Melo is talking about adding a PG like Rondo. He's making it clear he sees the problem as predominantly a backcourt issue. Him not waiving his NTC makes any trade discussion moot. All we can do is shop wisely in the FA Market and continue to find and develop our young prospects.

The smarter thing to do would be to tank HARD for 2017 lottery pick, continue to develop KP, don't spend any of the cap room this year, and save it for 2017 hoping the trifecta happens:

1)KP on the verge of All Star status
2)Top 5 Lottery pick with a stud to play along side KP
3)One of the top 3 free agents in 2017 decides to take the NY plunge.

Really, whether Melo stays or goes is irrelevant if the goal is sustained winning for the Knicks. Though a Melo trade bringing back picks would be infinitely more advantageous in speeding up the 5 to 6 year process to maybe a 4 or 5 year plan.

Most likely it wouldn't all work out so perfectly like that though. We could look at best case scenario for the other option as well. Like landing Derozen and becoming a playoff team. Then landing another quality FA the following yr when KP is now in his 3rd yr. Giving us 4 really good players and giving KP a taste of how to win and playoff competition. While also keeping our picks and building a pipeline. Which would also build NYs credibility back up as a franchise.

Regardless of what we think is best. Unless Melo is willing to waive his NTC at the draft we are going to have to wait until FA regardless. Trading Melo most likely wont be an option unless we strike out in FA, which is possible.

I'm going option c- put Melo on cryongenic hibernation, lose better than the 76'ers and nab a top 5 talent in the draft & sign some game changers in 2017 (Westbrook, etc).

But, yes, the target horizon for building this team should be 3-5 years from now, not next year.

What I don't want them to do is just be slightly better next year and lose draft position, and then continue to get ever so slightly better, all the while KP turns into the next Patrick Ewing - lots of talent/heart without any supporting cast.

You would be banking on top flight FAs signing to a rebuilding situation. And or that top 5 pick Turning into a stud when there is a possibility that he turns into just a solid player. The 3-5 yr estimation only works if that pick is a hit. That's y teams that rely on lotto picks usually stay there. And the teams that get the lotto pick by natural process fair better. Golden State traded for David Lee and Bogut trying to be a playoff team. Landed Draymond in the 2nd round. Klay fell to them at number 11 in the draft.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing now?

Exactly. We're banking on Conley, Dwight Howard, Rondo, Horford, Jennings or Batum to bail our asses out this summer already. Smart money would put that money away for later and tank this upcoming season.

The difference is we'd be stockpiling younger pieces before splashing the free agent pot. Get KP that running mate in 2017 lottery. Accumulate more young flexible pieces. Then snag that free agent later.

That's fine in theory, what if the young player turns out to be just okay and not a stud. The same amount of hope needed in option A is needed in option B.

It's simple. Would you want a 2017 top 5-10 pick potential KP running mate for the next 10 years and potentially a top 3 player in Westbrook?

Or would you settle for a top 30 player Conley for 5 years and maybe a role player draft pick in the teens?

There's risk in both ways, but one way seems way less riskier for sustainable winning.

If you land Conley and we are a playoff team then we would have cap space for another FA as well the following yr when Calderon AA D.Williams comes off the books as well as that draft pick. And the odds are higher to land that FA if he knows he's going to play with KP Melo Conley Lopez.

We can look at all the teams this past FA who had cap space and who were rebuilding. How many of them landed a big time FA? LMA went to playoff team, Mathews went to a playoff team, Monroe went to a playoff team, Butler resigned, Leonard resigned, Jordan went to a playoff team the changed his mind and resigned.

Most of our success going forward would depend on that lotto pick. Now if you can guarantee me Simmons.... Or a proven young player...

Landing Conley this season would be a unmitigated disaster for the Knicks, franchise wise. We're currently on pace for say 30-35 wins, correct? Let's just say we add a peak Conley in his prime, and Melo and KP and the gang are all healthy. Peak Conley probably adds 5 to 10 wins let's say conservatively. That puts us in perpetual 8th seed territory with shytty draft picks and jeopardizes any chances at getting a hungry for change Westbrook in 2017 with all our money tied up in Conley.

That's just plain nightmare fuel. Perpetual mediocrity for 4 to 5 years...

Better to tank proper for a lottery pick in 2017 and chance to pair KP with someone signficant.

You only get stuck in mediocrity if you don't maintain flexibility to improve. If you add Conley and we become a playoff team. Even if we weren't able to get Westbrook we would still be able to entice another quality player to to join a Conley, Melo, KP, Lopez core. Like Gordan Hayward or Oladipo for example as well as adding our shytty draft pick. KP will be entering his 3rd yr of NBA experience which could make us one of the top teams in the east at this time if he improves to the levels we hope. Then next up Melo, Lopez, Quinn contracts would be flexible with 1 yr left on there deals worth about 45mil. Not to mention maybe one of our shytty picks like Grant, 2017, 2018 turn into a solid player.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it's hard to really say what we would get for Melo IF he wanted to leave, which he doesn't seem to want to do at all. He's talking about recruiting players to come here so I really don't see any hope of him waiving his NTC. Melo is talking about adding a PG like Rondo. He's making it clear he sees the problem as predominantly a backcourt issue. Him not waiving his NTC makes any trade discussion moot. All we can do is shop wisely in the FA Market and continue to find and develop our young prospects.

The smarter thing to do would be to tank HARD for 2017 lottery pick, continue to develop KP, don't spend any of the cap room this year, and save it for 2017 hoping the trifecta happens:

1)KP on the verge of All Star status
2)Top 5 Lottery pick with a stud to play along side KP
3)One of the top 3 free agents in 2017 decides to take the NY plunge.

Really, whether Melo stays or goes is irrelevant if the goal is sustained winning for the Knicks. Though a Melo trade bringing back picks would be infinitely more advantageous in speeding up the 5 to 6 year process to maybe a 4 or 5 year plan.

Most likely it wouldn't all work out so perfectly like that though. We could look at best case scenario for the other option as well. Like landing Derozen and becoming a playoff team. Then landing another quality FA the following yr when KP is now in his 3rd yr. Giving us 4 really good players and giving KP a taste of how to win and playoff competition. While also keeping our picks and building a pipeline. Which would also build NYs credibility back up as a franchise.

Regardless of what we think is best. Unless Melo is willing to waive his NTC at the draft we are going to have to wait until FA regardless. Trading Melo most likely wont be an option unless we strike out in FA, which is possible.

I'm going option c- put Melo on cryongenic hibernation, lose better than the 76'ers and nab a top 5 talent in the draft & sign some game changers in 2017 (Westbrook, etc).

But, yes, the target horizon for building this team should be 3-5 years from now, not next year.

What I don't want them to do is just be slightly better next year and lose draft position, and then continue to get ever so slightly better, all the while KP turns into the next Patrick Ewing - lots of talent/heart without any supporting cast.

You would be banking on top flight FAs signing to a rebuilding situation. And or that top 5 pick Turning into a stud when there is a possibility that he turns into just a solid player. The 3-5 yr estimation only works if that pick is a hit. That's y teams that rely on lotto picks usually stay there. And the teams that get the lotto pick by natural process fair better. Golden State traded for David Lee and Bogut trying to be a playoff team. Landed Draymond in the 2nd round. Klay fell to them at number 11 in the draft.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing now?

Exactly. We're banking on Conley, Dwight Howard, Rondo, Horford, Jennings or Batum to bail our asses out this summer already. Smart money would put that money away for later and tank this upcoming season.

The difference is we'd be stockpiling younger pieces before splashing the free agent pot. Get KP that running mate in 2017 lottery. Accumulate more young flexible pieces. Then snag that free agent later.

That's fine in theory, what if the young player turns out to be just okay and not a stud. The same amount of hope needed in option A is needed in option B.

It's simple. Would you want a 2017 top 5-10 pick potential KP running mate for the next 10 years and potentially a top 3 player in Westbrook?

Or would you settle for a top 30 player Conley for 5 years and maybe a role player draft pick in the teens?

There's risk in both ways, but one way seems way less riskier for sustainable winning.

If you land Conley and we are a playoff team then we would have cap space for another FA as well the following yr when Calderon AA D.Williams comes off the books as well as that draft pick. And the odds are higher to land that FA if he knows he's going to play with KP Melo Conley Lopez.

We can look at all the teams this past FA who had cap space and who were rebuilding. How many of them landed a big time FA? LMA went to playoff team, Mathews went to a playoff team, Monroe went to a playoff team, Butler resigned, Leonard resigned, Jordan went to a playoff team the changed his mind and resigned.

Most of our success going forward would depend on that lotto pick. Now if you can guarantee me Simmons.... Or a proven young player...

And when we don't land Conley?

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

VCoug wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:IMO it's hard to really say what we would get for Melo IF he wanted to leave, which he doesn't seem to want to do at all. He's talking about recruiting players to come here so I really don't see any hope of him waiving his NTC. Melo is talking about adding a PG like Rondo. He's making it clear he sees the problem as predominantly a backcourt issue. Him not waiving his NTC makes any trade discussion moot. All we can do is shop wisely in the FA Market and continue to find and develop our young prospects.

The smarter thing to do would be to tank HARD for 2017 lottery pick, continue to develop KP, don't spend any of the cap room this year, and save it for 2017 hoping the trifecta happens:

1)KP on the verge of All Star status
2)Top 5 Lottery pick with a stud to play along side KP
3)One of the top 3 free agents in 2017 decides to take the NY plunge.

Really, whether Melo stays or goes is irrelevant if the goal is sustained winning for the Knicks. Though a Melo trade bringing back picks would be infinitely more advantageous in speeding up the 5 to 6 year process to maybe a 4 or 5 year plan.

Most likely it wouldn't all work out so perfectly like that though. We could look at best case scenario for the other option as well. Like landing Derozen and becoming a playoff team. Then landing another quality FA the following yr when KP is now in his 3rd yr. Giving us 4 really good players and giving KP a taste of how to win and playoff competition. While also keeping our picks and building a pipeline. Which would also build NYs credibility back up as a franchise.

Regardless of what we think is best. Unless Melo is willing to waive his NTC at the draft we are going to have to wait until FA regardless. Trading Melo most likely wont be an option unless we strike out in FA, which is possible.

I'm going option c- put Melo on cryongenic hibernation, lose better than the 76'ers and nab a top 5 talent in the draft & sign some game changers in 2017 (Westbrook, etc).

But, yes, the target horizon for building this team should be 3-5 years from now, not next year.

What I don't want them to do is just be slightly better next year and lose draft position, and then continue to get ever so slightly better, all the while KP turns into the next Patrick Ewing - lots of talent/heart without any supporting cast.

You would be banking on top flight FAs signing to a rebuilding situation. And or that top 5 pick Turning into a stud when there is a possibility that he turns into just a solid player. The 3-5 yr estimation only works if that pick is a hit. That's y teams that rely on lotto picks usually stay there. And the teams that get the lotto pick by natural process fair better. Golden State traded for David Lee and Bogut trying to be a playoff team. Landed Draymond in the 2nd round. Klay fell to them at number 11 in the draft.

Isn't that exactly what we're doing now?

Exactly. We're banking on Conley, Dwight Howard, Rondo, Horford, Jennings or Batum to bail our asses out this summer already. Smart money would put that money away for later and tank this upcoming season.

The difference is we'd be stockpiling younger pieces before splashing the free agent pot. Get KP that running mate in 2017 lottery. Accumulate more young flexible pieces. Then snag that free agent later.

That's fine in theory, what if the young player turns out to be just okay and not a stud. The same amount of hope needed in option A is needed in option B.

It's simple. Would you want a 2017 top 5-10 pick potential KP running mate for the next 10 years and potentially a top 3 player in Westbrook?

Or would you settle for a top 30 player Conley for 5 years and maybe a role player draft pick in the teens?

There's risk in both ways, but one way seems way less riskier for sustainable winning.

If you land Conley and we are a playoff team then we would have cap space for another FA as well the following yr when Calderon AA D.Williams comes off the books as well as that draft pick. And the odds are higher to land that FA if he knows he's going to play with KP Melo Conley Lopez.

We can look at all the teams this past FA who had cap space and who were rebuilding. How many of them landed a big time FA? LMA went to playoff team, Mathews went to a playoff team, Monroe went to a playoff team, Butler resigned, Leonard resigned, Jordan went to a playoff team the changed his mind and resigned.

Most of our success going forward would depend on that lotto pick. Now if you can guarantee me Simmons.... Or a proven young player...

And when we don't land Conley?

Like I said, no matter how you slice it you are depending on the same amount of faith. You guys are trying to make it out like the lotto and tanking is a sure fire way, but its not.

But to answer your question if we don't land Conley or anyone else most likely we would be a lotto team again. Now If Melo still doesnt want to be traded then we would be probably adding a lotto pick in 2017 to the Melo KP tandem as well as close to double the cap space if we don't spend anything or keep one yr deals. That lotto pick would need to be a star in order to help us the way he would need to if we went full tank rebuild mode, but with Melo and a more season KP and Lopez he wouldn't need to be Kobe for us not to suck anymore. If he became a young athletic quality starter then he would help us be a playoff team with a TON of cap space. Basically what we should be doing this offseason but we traded our draft pick.

i forget the person who post it in another post but it was HILARIOUS.

i'll paraphrase: "what language do you people need to understand, spanish? melo has a no trade clause and will not be traded unless he says so"

the real poll question should be: 1) do you point a gun at melo's head and force him to be traded? 2) do the knicks realize that he might not be traded and simply plan with melo around?

disclaimer - the gun reference was a joke and i dont support pointing a gun at anyone's head!

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty