VCoug wrote:

callmened wrote:

VCoug wrote:If this summer consists of signing Brandon Jennings and Kent Bazemore we're going to be under .500 again next season. Of course, we're probably going to be under .500 next season no matter what.

lol. maybe just maybe an 8th seed

Not even unless KP makes a leap. Bazemore and Jennings aren't upgrades over what we have now and what we have now sucks.

I am not a fan of Jennings and doubt Bazemore would want to come to NY. Plus, I am not sure bout rolling the dice on a one hit wonder so old but I do think they would be upgrades over AA and Jose if Jennings were healthy and Bazemore kept up his level of play. Despite that Jennings would have to come at a real discount for me to want him on the Knicks and despite Bazemore superior rebounding I would rather the knicks go after Crabbe or Fournier

Grant 23
Batum 29
top Draft (3-5) 20
KP 21
AFFLALO
Williams 25
Hernangomez 23
Wroten 22
Lopez 27
O'Quinn 25

I'd go to battle with this team and push to .500. Then thr following year get your bona fide NBA star with a more mature KP, a top flight 1st rounder, Lopez, Grant, Batum, Galloway and Williams. (Afflalo and Thomas may or may not be part of the equation at that point. That team can challenge Cleveland Toronto and Bostom for Eastern Conference

Paris907 wrote:While both Jennings and Bazemore are talented and relatively young, i don't see that team as reconfigured is necessarily playoff bound, or If they do go 500, they'll be out of the first round. I prefer a longer term success ratio. If Melo n Calderon are part of the 3 team "blockbuster" with griffin ending up with Boston and Melo ending up on the clippers, the Knicks would secure BKkyns pick (3-5) and free up $22 million. If we're going to end up getting bounced after the first round w a 33 year old Melo, why not try to secure a bona fide star to compliment KP and secure Batums (or Fourniers) services, and have $30 Mm plus to spent the following year.

Grant 23
Batum 29
top Draft (3-5) 20
KP 21
AFFLALO
Williams 25
Hernangomez 23
Wroten 22
Lopez 27
O'Quinn 25

I'd go to battle with this team and push to .500. Then thr following year get your bona fide NBA star with a more mature KP, a top flight 1st rounder, Lopez, Grant, Batum, Galloway and Williams. (Afflalo and Thomas may or may not be part of the equation at that point. That team can challenge Cleveland Toronto and Bostom for Eastern Conference

Melo has to agree to a trade and he wants to stay. Sooooo.

crzymdups wrote:
First I stretch Jose's contract, which I believe gives me another 3.5M in cap room. So saying $37M - though some have been saying the cap could go as high as $92M, which means the Knicks could have more like $40M+ in cap room.

I believe Bazemore is in the same contract situation as Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway - he's a base year compensation guy. So the Hawks can only pay him $6M per season... I THINK that's how it works. Not positive.

I'd go like this:

Jennings $12.5M in year 1 - same contract as Rolo 4yr $54M.

Bazemore $9.5M in year 1 - 3yr $30M

Afflalo $9M in year 1 - 2yr $18M with a player option next season - if he can get more on open market, I say "thanks for everything, Arron, bye"

DWill $7M in year 1 - 2yr $15M with a player option - want to keep DWill hungry til he gets more consistent. Give him a raise, but keep him working.

Question is how much for Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway

gotcha. nice plan!

Jennings will get like 10-15 mill - simply cuz there arent alot of PGs
Bazemore might get 10-15 mill - as a 3&d guy
Affalo around 9 mill
Dwill could get 7 mill i agree

hopefully that could be around 34mil. with lance and gallo we have their bird rights so we can go over the cap to resign them

crzymdups wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2623059-building-the-ultimate-2016-new-york-knicks-free-agent-dream-team

This is a video, but I think Beck is once again right on the money.

Last season, he tried to do this and suggested the Knicks would not be able to get superstars in free agency and should instead focus on Robin Lopez, Arron Afflalo and Thad Young. He nailed two out of three.

This season he is saying Knicks should pursue Brandon Jennings (my #1 realistic target at this point) and Kent Bazemore (maybe realistic, maybe not)

If the Knicks can do that and keep Afflalo and DWill off the bench, that's a pretty strong squad. Stretch Calderon to get $5M in cap room to make it work.

If Wroten works out, all the sudden we are kinda deep at the guard spots again. Deep enough to play small effectively.

PG - Jennings, Grant, Wroten
SG - Bazemore, Afflalo, Galloway
SF - Melo, Lance
PF - KP, DWill
C - Rolo, KOQ

Sign me up for this.

It's very realistic and practical. Would be a playoff team if Porzingis grows as a player the way we hope in year 2. My hope would be to sign Bazemore to a long-term deal and give Jennings a large 1 year deal similar to the one that Rondo got to help him rebuild his value and keep our options open for the PG free agents the following season. We can always resign him to a long-term deal at that point if things are going well. But this is realistic and i always like Beck's analysis.

crzymdups wrote:I'm beginning to think Jennings would be the perfect PG for this team... certainly of the available options.

He's 26, has matured a lot, plays under control, has the right attitude for NY.

I hope we can get him.

He always has killer games at MSG, too. A positive sign?

callmened wrote:

crzymdups wrote:
First I stretch Jose's contract, which I believe gives me another 3.5M in cap room. So saying $37M - though some have been saying the cap could go as high as $92M, which means the Knicks could have more like $40M+ in cap room.

I believe Bazemore is in the same contract situation as Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway - he's a base year compensation guy. So the Hawks can only pay him $6M per season... I THINK that's how it works. Not positive.

I'd go like this:

Jennings $12.5M in year 1 - same contract as Rolo 4yr $54M.

Bazemore $9.5M in year 1 - 3yr $30M

Afflalo $9M in year 1 - 2yr $18M with a player option next season - if he can get more on open market, I say "thanks for everything, Arron, bye"

DWill $7M in year 1 - 2yr $15M with a player option - want to keep DWill hungry til he gets more consistent. Give him a raise, but keep him working.

Question is how much for Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway

gotcha. nice plan!

Jennings will get like 10-15 mill - simply cuz there arent alot of PGs
Bazemore might get 10-15 mill - as a 3&d guy
Affalo around 9 mill
Dwill could get 7 mill i agree

hopefully that could be around 34mil. with lance and gallo we have their bird rights so we can go over the cap to resign them

Despite the lack of pgs in this FA is there really a big market for Jennings? Besides Brooklyn and the Knicks(I hope not) I can not think of a team that would give him that kind of money. I guess you can maybe add Utah. What teams am I over looking?

Moonangie wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm beginning to think Jennings would be the perfect PG for this team... certainly of the available options.

He's 26, has matured a lot, plays under control, has the right attitude for NY.

I hope we can get him.

He always has killer games at MSG, too. A positive sign?

Yeah, he seems to be one of those guys who likes the stage. I think he's matured a little in recent years, too.

Moonangie wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I'm beginning to think Jennings would be the perfect PG for this team... certainly of the available options.

He's 26, has matured a lot, plays under control, has the right attitude for NY.

I hope we can get him.

He always has killer games at MSG, too. A positive sign?

He won't be playing against our crappy backcourt if we sign him though.

crzymdups wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

callmened wrote:

crzymdups wrote:
First I stretch Jose's contract, which I believe gives me another 3.5M in cap room. So saying $37M - though some have been saying the cap could go as high as $92M, which means the Knicks could have more like $40M+ in cap room.

I believe Bazemore is in the same contract situation as Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway - he's a base year compensation guy. So the Hawks can only pay him $6M per season... I THINK that's how it works. Not positive.

I'd go like this:

Jennings $12.5M in year 1 - same contract as Rolo 4yr $54M.

Bazemore $9.5M in year 1 - 3yr $30M

Afflalo $9M in year 1 - 2yr $18M with a player option next season - if he can get more on open market, I say "thanks for everything, Arron, bye"

DWill $7M in year 1 - 2yr $15M with a player option - want to keep DWill hungry til he gets more consistent. Give him a raise, but keep him working.

Question is how much for Lance Thomas and Langston Galloway

gotcha. nice plan!

Jennings will get like 10-15 mill - simply cuz there arent alot of PGs
Bazemore might get 10-15 mill - as a 3&d guy
Affalo around 9 mill
Dwill could get 7 mill i agree

hopefully that could be around 34mil. with lance and gallo we have their bird rights so we can go over the cap to resign them

Despite the lack of pgs in this FA is there really a big market for Jennings? Besides Brooklyn and the Knicks(I hope not) I can not think of a team that would give him that kind of money. I guess you can maybe add Utah. What teams am I over looking?

Not sure - but any team that needs a PG. Pretty much every team in the league will have $20M to spend, so Jennings will easily get between $10M and $15M in year one.

I'd rather give Jennings $12-14M per year than give Conley $22M or more per year.

I can't believe that you would consider (even for a second) giving 12-14 million to a guy like Jennings. Tony Wrotten maybe even be a better gamble at 6 million per and that is a bad gamble.