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EnySpree
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3/5/2016  10:53 AM
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EnySpree wrote:I think Orlando traded Harris because Scott Skies wanted his former players back in Jennings and Ilyosova (sp?).

that 2..but also cuz they believe in fournier. they have over 30 mil to spend on him

He is likely to be retained unless someone give him the max($23m). I do think Oladipo can be had in a trade if the knicks are willing to give up Lopez.

I Would also go after Crabbe and even overpay if need be. It's a major risk but all of the young RFA 2s are suspect defenders who barely rebound or pass.

Another option at guard for me would be to go after Harrison Barnes and move him to the two and see if his offense will take off like Jimmy Butler or khris Middleton did. Barnes also wants max or near max money. At 6-8 with his build he will have a definite size advantage over most guards in the east.

Supposedly the Magic are trying to create room for two max deals. Chandler Parsons is one guy they've targeted. Not sure about who else they might chase.

I think Oladipo could be had... though I doubt for Rolo.

If Orlando throws the max at Chandler Parsons then they will not be keeping Fournier. If they do they would be insane. This kid Mario Hezonja is starting to make noise

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3/5/2016  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/5/2016  11:20 AM
crzymdups wrote:The guy I want the most who I feel like could change things by far the most for this team is still Mike Conley.

Failing that, assuming he stays with the Grizz, I like the idea of going hard after Brandon Jennings and Eric Gordon. I would keep Afflalo, but move him to a bench role. Keep Galloway. Keep Grant and hope he gets more confident with experience. Stretch Jose - I believe we can stretch the final year of his deal over 2 years, it'd create $3.5M in room for this year.

We need more guards so we can match up against teams like Boston and go smaller if need be.

I would also be in favor of letting Afflalo go and bringing in Courtney Lee - but I'm okay keeping Afflalo if his role is somewhat minimized and we don't have to depend on him as much to be consistent.

Keep our 2017 and 2018 picks at all costs and try to find depth at the 1,2,3 in the draft. I'm also hoping we use Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5 more often next season. Keep KOQ on the team for emergencies only because he's cheap and solid.


PG - Jennings, Grant
SG - Gordon, Afflalo, Galloway
SF - Melo, DWill
PF - KP, Lance
C - Rolo, KOQ


I'll add that I think it is absurd we haven't signed Tim Frazier or Tony Wroten to at least take a look at what they could do on the floor for this team.


I think there's a combo guard that i've brought up a few times on here that people are over looking which is J.Crawford. I know he's 34/35 but he's in incredible shape and he would be perfect for us on a two year contract and he can get us to that 2017 free agency which is deep for guards. This guy is still playing and putting up starter type stats and he's coming off the bench. Like i said, he's a combo guard so we could play him where he's needed depending on the lineup that's on the floor.

I would keep A.Afflalo but put him in a 6th man role and then add another guard whether it be a PG or SG to play with J.Crawford.

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3/5/2016  11:53 AM
EnySpree wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
callmened wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I think Orlando traded Harris because Scott Skies wanted his former players back in Jennings and Ilyosova (sp?).

that 2..but also cuz they believe in fournier. they have over 30 mil to spend on him

He is likely to be retained unless someone give him the max($23m). I do think Oladipo can be had in a trade if the knicks are willing to give up Lopez.

I Would also go after Crabbe and even overpay if need be. It's a major risk but all of the young RFA 2s are suspect defenders who barely rebound or pass.

Another option at guard for me would be to go after Harrison Barnes and move him to the two and see if his offense will take off like Jimmy Butler or khris Middleton did. Barnes also wants max or near max money. At 6-8 with his build he will have a definite size advantage over most guards in the east.

Supposedly the Magic are trying to create room for two max deals. Chandler Parsons is one guy they've targeted. Not sure about who else they might chase.

I think Oladipo could be had... though I doubt for Rolo.

If Orlando throws the max at Chandler Parsons then they will not be keeping Fournier. If they do they would be insane. This kid Mario Hezonja is starting to make noise

Why? Look at the Warriors - they have Curry, Klay, Igoudala, Harrison Barnes, Livingston.

You need a lot of depth in this league at the guard and swing positions.

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3/5/2016  1:35 PM
Batum is more polished than Fournier but is 29 and Fournier is 23. Is Avery Bradley avail and of interest? If the Melo 3 team deal manifests itself, then a choice draft pick would be available for one of the guard slots.
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3/5/2016  1:37 PM
I toyed with the idea of moving Rolo for talent, but KP ain't ready to play 5. Keep Rolo.
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3/6/2016  7:58 AM
EnySpree wrote:Our guards:
Calderón, Affalo, Galloway, Sasha and Grant

This is the worst nba backcourt in the league. Thera no correct combination of players that need to be playing over the other. They still will be terrible.

Fast forward to the summer. Face it that's all we have to look forward to right now.

The Knicks must upgrade 3 of these players. Calderón should not be allowed to return next year. Sasha should be let go. Affalo should also be traded if he decides to opt in with the Knicks.

Right off the bat signing Jeremy Lin, Evan Fournier and Eric Gordon would make the Knicks a legit nba team. There are bigger name players, but we are kidding ourselves if we think Derozen is coming. Conley isn't coming. We can afford all 3 players. Jeremy Lin, Eric Gordon and Fournier.

Lin is unrestricted. 4-5 mil could bring him back. He's more of a scorer but is still way better than Calderón and Galloway in every facet if the game. He could start on day one or come off the bench.

Eric Gordon I believe wants to prove he belongs. Dude is a scorer. He'd be great playing the role that Galloway is supposed to be playing off the bench.

Evan Fournier I talked about before. Some say Orlando would match but they have alot of guards and forwards. Too many actually. Can they afford to throw another 6-8 million on another one? He would be the perfect starter for us.he can shoot and get to the basket. He's fundementally sound. He's a gamer.

I'm just throwing this out there. You can pick your 3 players. The moral of the story is the Knicks can't really get better until they upgrade the entire guard rotation. No way around it.


I don't think Derozan is out of the question only because he plays in Canada.He will probably go to the Lakers if he leaves in FA. The Raptors will probably offer him a max then trade him after they draft his replacement with our lottery pick
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3/6/2016  8:39 AM
Jordan Clarkson is the guy to target (especially if the Lakers make a run a Derozen)
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3/6/2016  10:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2016  10:36 AM
TLover wrote:Jordan Clarkson is the guy to target (especially if the Lakers make a run a Derozen)

RFA's rarely ever change teams and Clarkson has been playing great for the Lakers who have a TON of money to spend this off season so while he'd obviously be a nice get you need to get him out of your mind cause the Lakers will not let him go unless he's offered the type of contract that would just cripple a team which Phil won't do.

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3/6/2016  10:52 AM
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TLover wrote:Jordan Clarkson is the guy to target (especially if the Lakers make a run a Derozen)

RFA's rarely ever change teams and Clarkson has been playing great for the Lakers who have a TON of money to spend this off season so while he'd obviously be a nice get you need to get him out of your mind cause the Lakers will not let him go unless he's offered the type of contract that would just cripple a team which Phil won't do.

I really do not see the appeal of Clarkson. HE hasn't improved really this year but I guess you could blame coaching. He needs to really round his game and become a better shooter before he should get a big pay day but that won't happen. He will likely get $13-16m just because of the cap going up.

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3/6/2016  1:32 PM
If we sign Horford and trade Rolo for Teague we get the best PG available. Our guards would look so much stronger with Teague, Afflalo, Calderon, Galloway and Grant. We could even add another bigger one like Evan Turner at that point. That's a very good team!
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3/6/2016  10:00 PM
Don't agree Reub. Horford and KP and Melo. Sounds good but Rolo solid defensively and would be missed. I like Teague but prefer the 3 team trade for Melo in whixh we get the Brookiyn pick and $22 MM in additional cap space.
KP is 20. If Calderon, And either Afflalo, Williams or Thomas move on, you'd be $18 & $22 & Calderon and $5 million under the cap. $50 + under the cap with KP Lopez and Hernangomez and 2 of the 3 rotation players listed above. Take a guard at 3-5 pick and sign Batum or Fournier. Save the other $40 for next year.

Guard # 3-5 pick/ Grant/ Batum/ Galloway/ Afflalo
Fwd. KP
SF William or Thomas
C LOPEZ & OQuinn and Hernangomez

Plus $40 to spend.

Get Westbrook or one of a variety of top FA to compliment
# 3-5 2016 pick and KP, Kopez and Batum

Rotation would have Grant Galloway and the Knicks 2017 First pick
Assume Afflalo/Wilkiams or Thomas gone or round out the second unit

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3/6/2016  11:40 PM
Your way has a lot of moving parts there. We'd have to get 2 other teams to agree to a 3 team trade. We lose Melo in the deal. We have to have Batum or Fournier agree to sign here and in Fournier's case Orlando would have to decide not to match. And then we'd have to draft a guard who pans out. That's a lot of ifs there and I still think you end up pretty much blowing up the team and starting from scratch almost like Philly.
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3/7/2016  9:55 PM
I think Knicks fans are over-reacting to the current situation and under-rating the talent we have.Statistically it takes 3-5 years for guards to become effective at the NBA level. Superstars are he exception. Gallo is little more than a sophomore just finishing his first full year in the league. Grant is obviously in his first year. so next year we'll have a trio of more or less sophomores at the lead guard position. This is a good thing.
Calderon and Sasha are irrelevant. We we're winning anything this year anyway.
So it becomes clearer that Phil is developing for the long term and its well proven that teams who are allowed to mature together over years become stable winning teams.
Rather than chasing the wind, we need to hunker down as fans and enjoy ride.
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3/7/2016  11:26 PM
fwk00 wrote:I think Knicks fans are over-reacting to the current situation and under-rating the talent we have.Statistically it takes 3-5 years for guards to become effective at the NBA level. Superstars are he exception. Gallo is little more than a sophomore just finishing his first full year in the league. Grant is obviously in his first year. so next year we'll have a trio of more or less sophomores at the lead guard position. This is a good thing.
Calderon and Sasha are irrelevant. We we're winning anything this year anyway.
So it becomes clearer that Phil is developing for the long term and its well proven that teams who are allowed to mature together over years become stable winning teams.
Rather than chasing the wind, we need to hunker down as fans and enjoy ride.

Thank you for your basketball insight sir. Stick around. Enjoy yourself

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