HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:I don't think what they're saying we may get is that unrealistic - there is very little leverage as Anthony has his NTC- there are less teams we can talk with, and they will know it.

Win the projected increase in the cap, hopefully that will help make a deal possible.

It would pain me to see Melo wearing white & green.

Also, FA & trades & such begin after the draft - so if the Celts have scored the top pick with the Nyets pick, are they going to include that for Anthony? Or for Kevin Love?

I think the bigger upside with trading Anthony is the cap flexibility we get - where we can perhaps sign a different player.

Even there, I'm not sure that is better than just keeping Melo.

Unless Rambis is going to insist on playing him 40 minutes every night.

Agree, with you on all points. Most people on here criticize Dolan for making knee jerk decisions and now are calling for one in trading Melo when he would be at his lowest value. Due to Knees and NTC. No GM is going to offer much if they know it is Melos desired destination and limited competition.

Same could've been said about KG during the two instances he got traded. Yet, he recouped a treasure-chest in both instances. A team like the Celtics, with an abundance of assets could get us what we want especially knowing that they were willing to give up four-first round picks for Justis3 Winslow this past draft, including the BKN pick.

I think this can happen, especially with the impending cap increase:

LAC gets Melo, PJ Tucker, (re-sign Jeff Green) and Tyler Zeller,as well as cash (NYK)

BOS gets Blake Griffin and Tyson Chandler

PHO gets Jordan Mickey, Amir Johnson and the pick they surrendered to BOS in the Brandan Wright deal

NYK gets the BKN pick, $22 million in additional cap space, James Young, Terry Rozier and two of BOSs three remaining picks in this year's draft.

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So this means the Knicks would likely get a semi quality starter/bench player on a bad contract and a few 2nd rd picks when they ask teams to take Jose contract too.

Less than the cavs gave up apparently for Moz.

The fact the cavs got 2 first rounders for Mozgov is another reason I think the GM's in this article are just talking trash to try and force the market to lowball the Knicks. Mozgov was an expiring deal that avg 6 pts, 5 rbs.

After Durant makes his decision this Summer. If Melo became available he would likely be the second best player a team could add next summer by a large margin and under contract for 3 more seasons.

A cheap contract too by market standards

NardDogNation wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:I don't think what they're saying we may get is that unrealistic - there is very little leverage as Anthony has his NTC- there are less teams we can talk with, and they will know it.

Win the projected increase in the cap, hopefully that will help make a deal possible.

It would pain me to see Melo wearing white & green.

Also, FA & trades & such begin after the draft - so if the Celts have scored the top pick with the Nyets pick, are they going to include that for Anthony? Or for Kevin Love?

I think the bigger upside with trading Anthony is the cap flexibility we get - where we can perhaps sign a different player.

Even there, I'm not sure that is better than just keeping Melo.

Unless Rambis is going to insist on playing him 40 minutes every night.

Agree, with you on all points. Most people on here criticize Dolan for making knee jerk decisions and now are calling for one in trading Melo when he would be at his lowest value. Due to Knees and NTC. No GM is going to offer much if they know it is Melos desired destination and limited competition.

Same could've been said about KG during the two instances he got traded. Yet, he recouped a treasure-chest in both instances. A team like the Celtics, with an abundance of assets could get us what we want especially knowing that they were willing to give up four-first round picks for Justis3 Winslow this past draft, including the BKN pick.

I think KG was very different. Lets throw out the Nets and what they gave up - that was a stupid organizational move on par with what we've seen from our FO in the past.

KG at the time was a year younger and had not had, as far as I recall, any real injuries.

If I'm trading for Melo, I'm not sure I'm going to get him to play 80% of the remaining games he will be able to play on the remainder of his contract.

80% is still more than the games KG played in a Celtic uniform. I got to be honest, I don't even think you can find a star in the league aside from LeBron that can say they've played 80% of their games in the past 2 seasons (i.e. the amount of time left on Melo's contract). So why hold Melo to a different standard?

Really? Why do people open their mouths and type stupid things without checking first.

During the regular season - from 2007/08 through to and including 2013/14 which is seven seasons, he played a total of 464 games out of approximate total of 558, or 83%.

The year he played the fewest games- 57 in 2008/9- is the season Boston won the championship.

Bonn1997 wrote:0

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So this means the Knicks would likely get a semi quality starter/bench player on a bad contract and a few 2nd rd picks when they ask teams to take Jose contract too.

Less than the cavs gave up apparently for Moz.

The fact the cavs got 2 first rounders for Mozgov is another reason I think the GM's in this article are just talking trash to try and force the market to lowball the Knicks. Mozgov was an expiring deal that avg 6 pts, 5 rbs.

After Durant makes his decision this Summer. If Melo became available he would likely be the second best player a team could add next summer by a large margin and under contract for 3 more seasons.

A cheap contract too by market standards

If Melo's contract is cheap, that means every NBA players' is. He still has the largest contract in the game.

That award goes to Anthony Davis. Melo is 2nd, 3.4m+ above Dam Lillard.

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

The consensus of a small, but representative group of NBA team execs and personnel types said there would be an interested, willing market for Anthony. But all state the obvious, that despite Anthony’s star status, the Knicks could not expect to fetch anything like the haul they surrendered for him five years ago.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/03/nba-execs-what-knicks-could-get-in-carmelo-anthony-trade/

Basically they say the knicks could expect a Good Player and a first round pick..... Me I see that as their opening offer because its there job to try and rob opposing GM's and lower the market for other teams players. All of them also said Melo is a star player and a highly productive player. The way I see it the starting bid for Melo would be a solid player and pick and Phil can add from there.

This is why we have nothing to worry about as far as this is concerned. If we keep Melo we have a top talent at small fwd. If we trade him he's going to get us a several assets. A pick and a player is good. Maybe cap space and future picks. It all depends on where he wants to go. The Clippers and Cleveland stand out. Miami too

1st round picks don't always turn out to be a great player and we can use our very own J.Grant as a example. He wasn't even a late 1st rounder being picked at 19 so if we do use Grant as a example then do you think C.Anthony is worth J.Grant and a good player?? (whatever good player even means) I don't think i'd be too happy getting that for a player like Melo. Of course the jury is still out on J.Grant because of course he can still turn into something but getting a player like that as of now wouldn't make me too happy.

Maybe by 'good' player we could use someone like our own Aaron Afflalo or Lopez.

So, Grant & Lopez & room for a FA for Melo? Yea, fills some holes, but opens others.

I would look to tank next year when we have our own draft pick, so in that way, moving Melo for cap space that I spend on under 28-year olds, youth & picks helps me restock and rebuild.

I think we have to debate what is our horizon? Is it next season? Or is it really 3-5 years down the line that we'd like to be a legit competitor?

I was surprised by our early start this year, and I have a hard time understanding what the F happened that we now look as bad/worse than last year.

Melo tweaked his knee/ankle? whatever- that doesn't- to me- explain the plunge in performance.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:0

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So this means the Knicks would likely get a semi quality starter/bench player on a bad contract and a few 2nd rd picks when they ask teams to take Jose contract too.

Less than the cavs gave up apparently for Moz.

The fact the cavs got 2 first rounders for Mozgov is another reason I think the GM's in this article are just talking trash to try and force the market to lowball the Knicks. Mozgov was an expiring deal that avg 6 pts, 5 rbs.

After Durant makes his decision this Summer. If Melo became available he would likely be the second best player a team could add next summer by a large margin and under contract for 3 more seasons.

A cheap contract too by market standards

If Melo's contract is cheap, that means every NBA players' is. He still has the largest contract in the game.

That award goes to Anthony Davis. Melo is 2nd, 3.4m+ above Dam Lillard.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The only deal I see is a three team with Cleveland and boston. Love to Boston and we should get the Brooklyn pick and another good player like amir Johnson or avery bradley.

I think Cleveland is a dead deal because of his son and maybe even more so Lala. LAC makes some since but why give up Griffin? Also, if you do give up Griffin then I think you would want more than just Melo since Blake is better and younger.

By next year the only thing Chicago will have is Butler and what is left of Rose. Is that really a place people think Melo will want to go?

Miami may work but who knows what's going on with Bosh and Wade is a shell of himself.

So where is a good landing spot? One place that makes little sense but I could see happening is San Antonio.

If he chose Cleveland there is no question it would be simply for basketball reasons. I can see him convincing Lala to do it for 3-4 years then finishing his career someplace else (LA or back in NY.) Cleveland offers the easiest path to the finals (where he has never been) and the most upside for his legacy (outside of winning in NY.) If he is able to get Cleveland over the hump, his place in history will soar. As far as LAC, that offers the best opportunity from a personal standpoint, but definitely not basketball. There is no guarantee he moves the needle there. Getting to the 2nd round or WFC will be just as challenging as doing it in NY, because Golden State, San Antonio, and OKC aren't going anywhere. New Orleans will rise soon and Portland and Utah are up and coming. CP3 and Melo aren't getting any younger, so their window will be small. For as much as the east has improved, there still aren't any elite teams, just a bunch of solid ones. He is best staying in the east.

If we get a high draft pick for Melo (we will assume BK's pick in the 4-5 range) i want Jamal Murray. Shooter, high IQ, big PG. Would love to also get a middle 1st round pick for Valentine. We need shooters. It's a shooters league now. If we are going to deal Melo, time to surround KP will elite shooters.

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The only deal I see is a three team with Cleveland and boston. Love to Boston and we should get the Brooklyn pick and another good player like amir Johnson or avery bradley.

I think Cleveland is a dead deal because of his son and maybe even more so Lala. LAC makes some since but why give up Griffin? Also, if you do give up Griffin then I think you would want more than just Melo since Blake is better and younger.

By next year the only thing Chicago will have is Butler and what is left of Rose. Is that really a place people think Melo will want to go?

Miami may work but who knows what's going on with Bosh and Wade is a shell of himself.

So where is a good landing spot? One place that makes little sense but I could see happening is San Antonio.

If he chose Cleveland there is no question it would be simply for basketball reasons. I can see him convincing Lala to do it for 3-4 years then finishing his career someplace else (LA or back in NY.) Cleveland offers the easiest path to the finals (where he has never been) and the most upside for his legacy (outside of winning in NY.) If he is able to get Cleveland over the hump, his place in history will soar. As far as LAC, that offers the best opportunity from a personal standpoint, but definitely not basketball. There is no guarantee he moves the needle there. Getting to the 2nd round or WFC will be just as challenging as doing it in NY, because Golden State, San Antonio, and OKC aren't going anywhere. New Orleans will rise soon and Portland and Utah are up and coming. CP3 and Melo aren't getting any younger, so their window will be small. For as much as the east has improved, there still aren't any elite teams, just a bunch of solid ones. He is best staying in the east.

If we get a high draft pick for Melo (we will assume BK's pick in the 4-5 range) i want Jamal Murray. Shooter, high IQ, big PG. Would love to also get a middle 1st round pick for Valentine. We need shooters. It's a shooters league now. If we are going to deal Melo, time to surround KP will elite shooters.

I like this post a lot, especially about staying in east. Very logical

I hope, if this were to transpire, we place high IQ at the absolute top of the list, more so than shooting.