Fast with turnover's does nothing. NY needs a driving, organizing and excellent defending PG. The SG needs to have a consistent 3 pt shot, and defend well.

Almost every team in the NBA has a better backcourt than NY. It cant work and it has blown up. Calderon was done last year. AA has been awful.

A rookie picked in the 2nd round is unlikley to come in and be the answer to the problems. NY has to find a competent PG that is performing in the NBA now.

I would take a flyer on Wroten, McCollum, Frazier and even Lawson. Release Admudnson and Vujacic and get 3 guards in here. Bench Calderon.

DrAlphaeus wrote:What is the difference between President of Bball Ops and General Manager anyway? Anyone know?

Its my understanding that roster moves, scouting, development, etc. are engineered/administered by the GM with the oversight of the President. Right now, Im guessing that Phil is more involved with roster moves than most presidents.

HofstraBBall wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:These really need to stop. Phil is NOT the problem. HE is trying to fix it.

The constants are Dolan (last 16 years) and Melo (last 5 years)! Phil is too patient for the fans to be happy but he is trying so hard to change the culture of the team. It is quite hard when your best player is not invested in the TEAMS success.

As for the trianlge, please realize that GSW, SAS, Atlanta and NO use parts of it as well.

Nah. Wont stop making him accountable. This is flat out a crappy team. And who is responsible for putting personnel together. Not Melo. Agree Dolan but mostly the GM or Prez. Phil is responsible for the last two years of personnel. Made some big changes and ahould not get a pass because of fans claiming he is some magical fixture. Maybe you will finally agree once he bolts in a couple of years and leaves team worse off? Or will you still take a pass on his accountability and blame it on Melo?

And No! GS does not run what we run. Ofcourse they run parts of a triangle. As it is still basketball and even the triangle has parts like back cuts, pinch posts and an effort to balance the floor. Howevwr, We run a slow predictable system predicated mostly on the pinch post and Center position making decisions. All the teams you mentioned run mainly a high post PNR offenae with guard play at a premium. If you watch their games they run at least 3 or 4 high pick and rolls a set. Do we?

Do we have good guards? No. Yes, Phil brought them here. Calderon is here because Chandler had to go. It was a locker room issue. Afflalo has been a disappointment. Galloway was a find last year. Grant was considered a steal when he was traded for. Schved was a find but let go for $$.

I understand the frustration, I am frustrated. I just think that the team is heading in the right direction as fast as they can based on picks and $$. They have the $$ for another Max player. Hopefully something can be done that will help the team.

I am tired of changing everything every 2-3 years. It is time for stability and a new team culture. They are on the way, it is not time to change course now.

I am for Thibodeau as he is the best guy available. IMO, if Pjax does not select him but brings in one oh "his" guys, then you can hold him accountable.

The PG is so awful now that the whole team is just imploding. Calderon needs to go. NOW!

Definately agree with you on the back court. But, as you said, he brought them. And we are in agreement that the players you mentioned have been dissapointments this year. His responsibility. And Shved is a good example of yet another decision that may have been short sighted. Money could have been worked out if not for Seraphin, KO and other vets Minimums.

I am definately frustrated. And also tired of the constant change. But also tired of the ridiculous expectations placed on one guy by fans. Believe the organazation that surrounded them with garbage should be more to blame. This is why no one wishes to come here. It's a no win situation. If you come here your expected to win a chip and if not your the scapegoat. Regardless of the support around you.

Btw. Not expecting major change. We have no draft picks or any tradeable assets. We will change some of our 9 through 15 guys with no real impact. Thibs would be cool but no chance Phils ego allows it. Feel we have an All Star Caliber player and a promising young rookie and maybe one or two other good pieces, Dont think trading them would improve our situation. Specially with the time needed to learn the Triangle. Would be great to get a solid PG and secondary scorer/All Star, Just dont think we will get them beacuse of reasons mentioned above.

Well, they have $$ for at least one player. So that is another piece to put with KP, Melo, and RoLo. I also like DWILL and LT as rotation players and I think Grant can be better. KP will be year stronger and better. Melo - not sure. The thing with him is if you don't improve the team enough this year to make a run, then you need to consider moving on from him.

You are right about 9-15. They don't matter much.

I do think a vet coach with some power can help a lot.

Good discussion!

Jmpasq wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Yes Dolan and crazy Knicks fans did it again. Looked for that quick fix where ONE GUY is the answer.
The organization has resigned to crazy fan base mentality and expectations over and over again.
While Phil is the president and we are running the Triangle we will not have a winning season.
Good guard play? Forget about it. What good PG would want to play in the triangle where your handcuffed with predictable repetition? What did some big name guards say again?
Another Star player? No one wants to come to a system that is dated and predicated on sharing the ball with the likes of LT, KO, Calderon, Gallo, etc etc.
Good coach? No. Get use to just another Phil puppet that is unable to make good in game decisions.
Phil came in and took over a team having a bad year who was a playoff team the year before and...
Was unable to get any value for any of the assets he was handed. Any? Bag of peanuts. Something.
While I think Phil has done a good job changing Melo's and listening to his Euro scout on KP I just don't think we will be able to attract any talent because of the negative perception of the triangle and poor roster he has composed. Hope he proves me wrong but all I see is another stubborn basketball guy that is going to do it his way with no flexibility in spite of what the fans have to go through.

That maybe true but at least Phil hasn't hurt the franchise moving forward like other GM's. We own our draft picks again finally after this season

Exactly - keep your picks and it's hard to mess up in the long term. It's all we've had to do all this time. I'm not really sure what Phil is expected to have done at this point. We've got KP, we've got our picks, that's a solid Base going forward. His main mistake was Fisher- hopefully he's learned from that and will go for the best coach available rather than an extension of himself.

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

Impossible to do with our slow frontcourt.

Dude our players are not slow, they are being told to run a slow offense, even fat felton ran under MDA. If your practicing fast breaking basketball, theres no way you come out and play the way we do.

We walk the ball up on a 3 on 1 opportunity. We saw this team put up 30 fast break points game one of the season, that's what Fisher was trying to do, but kept getting flack from phil about the triangle, and ignoring Rambis, who's hell bent on running nothing but triangle sets.

The only 2 players that are playing some what decent is Melo(our pg) and Rolo (aka shaq) its sooooooo stupid cause its not wrkng

My guess is we wont get a pick in the first round but if we dont Id get Kay Felder to bring in the 2nd round--if you watch Oakland he MAKES people play faster--he puts all defenders on their heels--with a player like that guys will have to move faster. Hes going to be good in the NBA FAST--a truly fantastic passer

Question. I like some of the picks you mention for the draft but history has shown it to be hard to predict a players transition to the NBA. Therefore the high rate of draft pick failures. But now add the transition to the Triangle. A noted different and unique system which many have had trouble adjusting to. What makes you confident that 10 and up numbered picks would make that transition?
Specially in a year in which most college experts are noting this years even talent levels due to all players that left last year?

Funny, I've been putting Grant down all year,mainly because of everyone's unrealistic expectations. But I am starting to wonder what he would be playing like if in another system. As we have yet to see anyone excel.

While the Triangle does not depend on a top notch PG, it does depend on top guards who can handle, drive, shoot and defend. Or as otherwise known as the basic skills of a basketball guard.

i dont't think calderon is effective in any system. I do think Grant can be effective if he is given the confidence. That is where I think PJax is missed as a coach as compared to the others so far. SOme guys can do it, some can't. Confidence is highly overlooked as a key component of a top player.

DrAlphaeus wrote:What is the difference between President of Bball Ops and General Manager anyway? Anyone know?

pto days

knicks1248 wrote:Phil is hell bent on going against the grain, he hates the new era of basketball and is out to proves its a sham. Kurt Rambis and phil are so 80s.

I would rather a No defense, shoot a 100 3s, MDA offense, than this god for saking half court shooting 2 feet below the 3 point line no defense no communication ass system.

Im done watching this wretched system under Rambis, and idiotic fans thinking melo is the problem.

Don't feel most systems work if the guard play isn't top notch. Its been the consistent problem tied to lossimg over the yrs. Ppl hated Woodsons style of basketball yet with Felton and Kidd playing well during the season we had major success.

Improve the guards to pair them with Melo KP Lopez and we would be on to something.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Replace "Phil" with "Dolan"
OK, before a couple of people correct me, we might have an occasional winning season and win a playoff round every 20 years

See first sentence.

100% agree

I just don't understand how the Rangers seem to do it right and the Knicks always do it wrong...

anrst wrote:Phil is so much more similar to Isiah than i could have imagined

Starphuck hires without a proven front office track record

Both just seem to make moves for the sake of it... trade for Mo Taylor, sign Affalo, trade for Francis, trade for Calderon

Come off as pompass and all knowing in the media