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I thought I'd give Phil Jackson the offseason to prove himself, but after this I'm not too sure
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ChuckBuck
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2/29/2016  10:22 AM
Nalod wrote:some of you outraged cuz the media painted it up for you.
Tweets don't go into depth so he did not detail it.
If you saw the dude play when on fire he was unstoppable.

Come on man, it was an insult. It's like comparing Melo to Lebron James or Larry Bird, shouldn't happen. Stop sticking up for the old fogey because you read the 11 rings.

He phucked up.

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2/29/2016  10:23 AM
Nalod wrote:some of you outraged cuz the media painted it up for you.
Tweets don't go into depth so he did not detail it.
If you saw the dude play when on fire he was unstoppable.

Yup. Chris Jackson was unstoppable in that 3-4 year range in the mid 90s.

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2/29/2016  10:24 AM
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ChuckBuck wrote:Couple of games don't make a comparison. Jeremy Lin lit up the Lakers for 38 points, doesn't make him great either.

Uncle Phil said short/brilliant run. Not sure if you remember Chris Jackson in the mid-90s but he was really really good. He also suffered from tourette syndrome. If I remember correctly he was having difficulties with his meds. He was a weird cat though. He had that national anthem debacle and even hid logos in his uniforms when he played because he was not signed by the sponsors.

Why is he out there saying anything about someone else's player at all? Doesn't he have enough to worry about right here??

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2/29/2016  10:31 AM
It's strange to me how the media and fans can get suckered by a tweet. Articles are written because Phil mentioned 2 different players in the same thought - good job Berman and Isola, your careers are now defined on what people put on twitter. You are paid to report that crap and it's embarrassing to anyone who thinks they call themselves journalists.

Fans swallow it whole and make themselves look like asses in the process. This is how debased the whole thing is. Pretty boring stuff really.

Chuck your assumptions show us how little you really have in investing any kind of rational thought into pretty much anything, and it's annoying the heck out of me that you post this and other crap in these forums. If you really want to carry on like this please find a new home, you don't really add anything worthwhile here.

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2/29/2016  10:31 AM
Apparently I stumbled into the twilight zone and into Chris Jackson's/Phil's Twitter followers fan club.

BTW, I saw plenty of Chris Jackson in the 90s. Always picked them in NBA Live due to "the Mutombo moment" when they upset the Sonics. Abdul-Rauf and Stith was a nasty back court.

All that considered, their games don't mirror each other at all. Only real comparison is the free throw percentage. Mahmoud never averaged 40% in 3s and never led or set any records for 3 pointers made. And stylistically, just not the same ball player at all.

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2/29/2016  10:32 AM
Finestrg wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Couple of games don't make a comparison. Jeremy Lin lit up the Lakers for 38 points, doesn't make him great either.

Uncle Phil said short/brilliant run. Not sure if you remember Chris Jackson in the mid-90s but he was really really good. He also suffered from tourette syndrome. If I remember correctly he was having difficulties with his meds. He was a weird cat though. He had that national anthem debacle and even hid logos in his uniforms when he played because he was not signed by the sponsors.

Why is he out there saying anything about someone else's player at all? Doesn't he have enough to worry about right here??

dude puts out a tweet once every, what, 4 months and you are worried about that?

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2/29/2016  10:40 AM
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Nalod wrote:some of you outraged cuz the media painted it up for you.
Tweets don't go into depth so he did not detail it.
If you saw the dude play when on fire he was unstoppable.

Come on man, it was an insult. It's like comparing Melo to Lebron James or Larry Bird, shouldn't happen. Stop sticking up for the old fogey because you read the 11 rings.

He phucked up.

You have your opinion on the tweet. I have my opinion on your lapping up the pearl necklace served up by the media.

Media painted Phil as the Messiah to only tear him down. I suppose if you thought for yourself and looked at the roster the last two years you can manage your own expectations. You seem to enjoy being "That Guy" to point out whats painfully obvious to most of us.

Yes, Phil has not come down from the mountain to deliver us to the promised land. And Melo is still the high volume scorer he ALWAYS was but he is playing better in stretches this season.

personally I am on board with trading melo for long term assets and like the idea of the structure of a culture.
Perhaps the only difference betweens us is how long it takes and expectations.

I don't believe much when NBA players or exec's open their mouths as they will tell us what we want to hear. While its not to be ignored, I prefer to not get into the prediction game and especially your favorite game:

The blame game!!

Media loves playing readers into getting mad when its painfully obvious otherwise. Team loses, its time to point fingers.
Firing coach's or exec's is one thing, what is being replaced is another.

Thats to deep for the media to write about. They want to get emotions up.

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2/29/2016  10:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/29/2016  10:46 AM
Considering Curry is having an all word, all time great season this tweet is dumb and would be no matter who Jackson decided to compare him to.

Let's face it Jackson has a huge ego. Is that surprising? Add that to the fact that he's never lost in his life until he took helm of the Knicks. The cognitive dissonance between the job he's doing (mostly bad, KP aside) and Dolan being out of the picture (good) is a bit disheartening. Eh. Is it too early to start drinking? But really who cares what he tweets? Does it really matter? This kind've stuff doesnt really bother me if anything it makes Jackson look like a grumpy old dude. But its far from controversial IMO.

Bonus Depression Points: Remember when Curry was drafted there was that week or two where all the rags had him coming to NY, wanting to come to NY, etc. I remember being pumped then so deflated when GS took him one spot before us. Who knows what would've happened. A lot of people assert Dolan would've shipped him off for some vet to win now but imagine Curry in Dantoni's offense? That could've been so exciting that even Dolan would've let him develop while he put on a show. Who knows. A depressing no-matter-how-you-slice-it what if for Knicks fans.

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2/29/2016  10:45 AM
Not sure why you guys are getting upset at me or the media.

Phil Jackson has sole control over that twitter account and typed it out personally. If you think Stephen Curry is the 2nd coming of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world would have a different opinion.

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2/29/2016  10:48 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Not sure why you guys are getting upset at me or the media.

Phil Jackson has sole control over that twitter account and typed it out personally. If you think Stephen Curry is the 2nd coming of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world would have a different opinion.

Just like you and Melo. Maybe you are more like Phil in this situation than you realize. You compared Melo to Stoudemire. If i were you, i wouldn't make fun of other's comparisons. Your's take the cake.

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2/29/2016  10:49 AM
The shooting style is similar, while the numbers aren't the same, it's not completely far fetched. Only said "reminds me of." That said, if you look at what he was able to do, it is pretty plausible that he could have had monster numbers in this era. His shooting ability was top notch. Anybody who thinks Curry's numbers wouldn't have taken a hit in another era when you could handcheck or run somebody off a screen is delusional. The screens now are mostly all illegal and if u bump the guy running at all it is a foul. Makes a HUGE difference. Apples to oranges from this era to any other.
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2/29/2016  10:51 AM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not sure why you guys are getting upset at me or the media.

Phil Jackson has sole control over that twitter account and typed it out personally. If you think Stephen Curry is the 2nd coming of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world would have a different opinion.

Just like you and Melo. Maybe you are more like Phil in this situation than you realize. You compared Melo to Stoudemire. If i were you, i wouldn't make fun of other's comparisons. Your's take the cake.

Melo is comparable to Stoudemire in that he hasn't come close to playing a full season in a few years. Also numbers and game on the wrong downtrend.

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2/29/2016  10:56 AM
H1AND1 wrote:Considering Curry is having an all word, all time great season this tweet is dumb and would be no matter who Jackson decided to compare him to.

Let's face it Jackson has a huge ego. Is that surprising? Add that to the fact that he's never lost in his life until he took helm of the Knicks. The cognitive dissonance between the job he's doing (mostly bad, KP aside) and Dolan being out of the picture (good) is a bit disheartening. Eh. Is it too early to start drinking?

Bonus Depression Points: Remember when Curry was drafted there was that week or two where all the rags had him coming to NY, wanting to come to NY, etc. I remember being pumped then so deflated when GS took him one spot before us. Who knows what would've happened. A lot of people assert Dolan would've shipped him off for some vet to win now but imagine Curry in Dantoni's offense? That could've been so exciting that even Dolan would've let him develop while he put on a show. Who knows. A depressing no-matter-how-you-slice-it what if for Knicks fans.

Have to go back to that moment in time and Curry was not all world. Thus this is why I think he gets traded. MDA would have had a wonderful time with him, I agree.

My take on GSW is few teams should try to replicate as they won't have the players to do it. This is a wonderful thing that is happening and we should enjoy it. Its basically season three of him at this crazy high level. I guess nobody really expected this.

The man has his opinion and he say "Short career". Maybe he just wants to pay some props to a kid that lit it up in college and looked to be incredible in spurts in the NBA. He had Turretts and got grilled for taking a stance on his religion. I don't agree with what he did but I can imagine Phil being a rebel wanted to give the guy some due.

Is Phil sore about his Bulls, who were lock down defenders and played the game on both sides of the court perhaps being supplemented by this high Scoring circus where nobody plays defense? I can see it. Its fun to watch and I like Steph a lot but Im pulling for the Spurs to win.

Given Curry's early ankle problems, the crush of attention and Dolan's starphuchedness I am highly prejudiced that he would have traded either to denver, or afterwards.

Phil Tweets, no big deal.

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2/29/2016  10:57 AM
I get what he was trying to say with Chris Jackson But hes way way off. People are underestimating Steph Curry's physical power. I'm 6-5 and physically bigger than Steph Curry(also 47) but there is simply no way I could get on a basketball court and shoot it like I was shooting a 20 footer from 38 feet. It takes INCREDIBLE core strength and almost inhuman hand eye coordination (accuracy) to do what he does. Thats why I say hes the M Jordan of his time or maybe better. MJ was great but even he has no chance to do what Steph Curry can do. No one in the history of basketball can do it.
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2/29/2016  10:59 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Not sure why you guys are getting upset at me or the media.

Phil Jackson has sole control over that twitter account and typed it out personally. If you think Stephen Curry is the 2nd coming of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world would have a different opinion.

You ask questions, people tell you but you don't understand? Look, you have strong opinions which is cool, but I think when your not in agreement, you "don't understand". You can disagree and understand. Its not hard.

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2/29/2016  11:01 AM
crzymdups wrote:The Phil **** is clearly because he feels threatened by the GSW's chances of beating his 72-10 record. And also because he's bitter about Kerr. He's probably misguided enough to think that Kerr would be doing that here. And while Kerr would probably be better than Rambis... meh. I still think firing Fisher was a massive misstep. I think that ruins everything and Phil should just take his talents to Redondo Beach.

Not to mention the Triangle is the complete antisethis to what GS runs.

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2/29/2016  11:03 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not sure why you guys are getting upset at me or the media.

Phil Jackson has sole control over that twitter account and typed it out personally. If you think Stephen Curry is the 2nd coming of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world would have a different opinion.

Just like you and Melo. Maybe you are more like Phil in this situation than you realize. You compared Melo to Stoudemire. If i were you, i wouldn't make fun of other's comparisons. Your's take the cake.

Melo is comparable to Stoudemire in that he hasn't come close to playing a full season in a few years. Also numbers and game on the wrong downtrend.

You are wrong on both accounts. 2 seasons ago, he played 77 games. That's close to a full season. Not a few years ago, it was the season before last season. Also, his scoring numbers are down, he's shooting less, but despite seeing less minutes, his assist and rebound numbers are at a career high. Again, you are dead wrong on all accounts. Good try, bad argument. For someone so obsessed with him, i'm surprised how clueless you are all on accounts.

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2/29/2016  11:05 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Not sure why you guys are getting upset at me or the media.

Phil Jackson has sole control over that twitter account and typed it out personally. If you think Stephen Curry is the 2nd coming of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf knock yourself out. I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the world would have a different opinion.

Just like you and Melo. Maybe you are more like Phil in this situation than you realize. You compared Melo to Stoudemire. If i were you, i wouldn't make fun of other's comparisons. Your's take the cake.

Melo is comparable to Stoudemire in that he hasn't come close to playing a full season in a few years. Also numbers and game on the wrong downtrend.

So just like Durant, Wade, Davis. Got it.

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2/29/2016  11:05 AM
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ChuckBuck wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Couple of games don't make a comparison. Jeremy Lin lit up the Lakers for 38 points, doesn't make him great either.

Uncle Phil said short/brilliant run. Not sure if you remember Chris Jackson in the mid-90s but he was really really good. He also suffered from tourette syndrome. If I remember correctly he was having difficulties with his meds. He was a weird cat though. He had that national anthem debacle and even hid logos in his uniforms when he played because he was not signed by the sponsors.

I didn't hate Chris Jackson, he was one of the best free throw shooters in history. Political statements and tourettes aside, he could not have buried a 35 footer to win the game against the Thunder in OT like Curry did.

This was probably what Big Chief Triangle was talking about when Curry made that buzzer beater.

Just in case this got lost in the thread. This is probably what Phil was talking about after the buzzer beater. Chris did it too and was further out.

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2/29/2016  11:07 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I get what he was trying to say with Chris Jackson But hes way way off. People are underestimating Steph Curry's physical power. I'm 6-5 and physically bigger than Steph Curry(also 47) but there is simply no way I could get on a basketball court and shoot it like I was shooting a 20 footer from 38 feet. It takes INCREDIBLE core strength and almost inhuman hand eye coordination (accuracy) to do what he does. Thats why I say hes the M Jordan of his time or maybe better. MJ was great but even he has no chance to do what Steph Curry can do. No one in the history of basketball can do it.

Jordan was all defensive team.

Curry is one of the all time greatest scorers in an era of the 3 pt shot, but also the rule changes allow for greater offensive prowess. In addition, the game has adopted offensive schematics like what MDA had and for the first time last year we had a team win a chip with it. Luck always plays that a team is healthy and your opponent is not. Im reminded when SAS sent Nash into the table and broke his nose. Today half the suns would be suspended. Spurs did what they needed to do to win. It was nasty.

What GSW is doing this year is outstanding and they might do something special if they can stay healthy.

My take is Curry was on the right team, the right age and the right circumstances (Roster, injury, league rules) etc. Its like a perfect storm. Good for him and good for the league.

Every generation has its all time greats.

I thought I'd give Phil Jackson the offseason to prove himself, but after this I'm not too sure

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