StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think the cba keeps Kristaps in NY. I think his development comes along quicker if Melo is in NY.

with or without melo KP is gonna be tremendous. In fact im excited to see him next year because he will be 10 times better after a year under his belt

He’s very special.

“And we need him to do big things in the future, especially for me. I love playing alongside him, so that would obviously not be something that I want.”

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I think the cba keeps Kristaps in NY. I think his development comes along quicker if Melo is in NY.

with or without melo KP is gonna be tremendous. In fact im excited to see him next year because he will be 10 times better after a year under his belt

He will be great either way, but having Melo here helps simply because KP has to shoulder less of a load. That could keep him healthier and fresher too. You trade Melo, it's fine, but you have to hope KP is ready to carry the franchise on his back by next season, because we aren't replacing Melo with another 20 ppg-ready scorer.

They get along well.

The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.

Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).

Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.

knicks1248 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Porzingis is being a good teammate just like Melo has been towards him.
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.

They get along well.

The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.

Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).

Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.

1)well Melo miss 7 or 8 games this yr, guess what.. , wade mess way more than that and still came back to win 2 rings

2)every single player in this league is subject to injuries, there's no exception, no matter who the hell you get

3)When you have a super star(no matter what you think of melo) and a budding superstar, your half way home, your attractive destination

4)Anthony Davis make 30 mill, super talented guy on a losing team...AKA KP without another star.

5)One star major pressure, over usage until knees go bad and injuries mount, have you seen the allan houston, tracy mcgrady, d howard movie, its playing at a theater near you

6)DRAFT picks, 1 out of every 10 are good, the rest are a toss up

7)we tried to build through the draft prior to AMARE, failed, traded all of our picks and assets for the one guy, is that what your looking fwd to

8)veterans win, young teams lose, and lose for a long time

9)no real coach, and a solid staff..TOAST no matter the talent

10)were worry about a pg in a system the pg is almost completely obsolete on the offense end..on the defensive end, two 7 footers in the paint that were going to the bench at he same time to bring in sasha and seraphin

REALITY

All great points and clear facts.

crzymdups wrote:Melo has been good for KP's development this season. I think KP could get over it if Melo left, but I think some of you guys are not being honest with yourself about how much BS Melo absorbs and deflects for KP off the court. And how much he helps KP on the court.

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.

You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:If we're a .400 team, don't you think we risk losing KP? The biggest concern should be creating a winning environment.

You're a stats guy, what's the likelihood that he or anyone like him leaves? It's near zero. Or zero based on rookie contract extensions.

OK, statistically, the most likely scenario for us is that we trade him in a year or two

The last time the Knicks drafted a top five pick who won multiple rookie of the month awards they decided to keep him for 15yrs and retire his jersey. Even though they traded Bernard King.

knicks1248 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Porzingis is being a good teammate just like Melo has been towards him.
Melo has been pushing and helping KP to be more aggressive and get the ball to him.
KP knows how great that has been and he doesn't want Melo to leave.

They get along well.

The only reason I personally am ok with a Melo trade is his salary vs declining production/physical state. If he were making 15 million a year, I'd call him virtually untouchable. If he were in his prime, and physically capable to carry the team like a player of his caliber should, I'd again trade him virtually for players that would never be traded anyway.

Unfortunately the thing is Melo is on a physical decline, and you just can't ignore his salary. The Hawks/Nets with Joe Johnson are a decent comparison. If NY doesn't trade Melo this summer, they may never get a good deal again. And they'll never be able to get anything once he starts missing all-star teams, which aren't all that far away if he doesn't commit himself in the offseason to get lighter, to take care of his body as if he's on his last legs (which he is).

Two ways out of trading him and succeeding in the longrun are striking gold in free agency and/or Kristaps elevating his level to that of a superstar himself. If either or both happen, then Melo can play 30 minutes a night, be used primarily as a scoring threat and is the team's 2nd/3rd most valuable player. In which he can stay a Knick and the team can keep moving forward.

1)well Melo miss 7 or 8 games this yr, guess what.. , wade mess way more than that and still came back to win 2 rings

2)every single player in this league is subject to injuries, there's no exception, no matter who the hell you get

3)When you have a super star(no matter what you think of melo) and a budding superstar, your half way home, your attractive destination

4)Anthony Davis make 30 mill, super talented guy on a losing team...AKA KP without another star.

5)One star major pressure, over usage until knees go bad and injuries mount, have you seen the allan houston, tracy mcgrady, d howard movie, its playing at a theater near you

6)DRAFT picks, 1 out of every 10 are good, the rest are a toss up

7)we tried to build through the draft prior to AMARE, failed, traded all of our picks and assets for the one guy, is that what your looking fwd to

8)veterans win, young teams lose, and lose for a long time

9)no real coach, and a solid staff..TOAST no matter the talent

10)were worry about a pg in a system the pg is almost completely obsolete on the offense end..on the defensive end, two 7 footers in the paint that were going to the bench at he same time to bring in sasha and seraphin

REALITY

#7 is patently false and #10 is, well... i don't know what it means.

that said, the only way forward is to put melo on a minutes restriction. that won't justify his ridiculous contract since it was based on his being a starter at 36 minutes a game but at least the knicks stand a better chance of getting every ounce of value out of him at 24 minutes a game. and by the way, what team is going to want to pay melo all that money when he is going to have to play bench-like minutes?