Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

That's always a concern with any player, not just Melo. It is the chance you take.

I know, could happen to any player. But Melo is approaching Amare level fragility. If it isn't his surgically repaired knee, it's his shoulder. If it isn't his shoulder, it's his ankle. He's seemingly always had an injury every season, big and small. He hasn't played a full 82 game season in the NBA since his rookie season. The previous 4 seasons before this current one, he's averaged less than 60 games a season. That means he misses nearly a third of all games each season.

There's a heightened reason for concern due to Melo's fragile state.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

That's always a concern with any player, not just Melo. It is the chance you take.

I know, could happen to any player. But Melo is approaching Amare level fragility. If it isn't his surgically repaired knee, it's his shoulder. If it isn't his shoulder, it's his ankle. He's seemingly always had an injury every season, big and small. He hasn't played a full 82 game season in the NBA since his rookie season. The previous 4 seasons before this current one, he's averaged less than 60 games a season. That means he misses nearly a third of all games each season.

There's a heightened reason for concern due to Melo's fragile state.

Your numbers are not what you make them seem. He played 55 games in the lockout season, you are including that into your numbers like it was an 82-game season. Last season he only "shut it down" because the Knicks were out of the playoff picture so early. He probably would have played 60 games and fought thru at 75% ability. Besides last season, he has never played less than 65 games. By your logic, you can make the same argument about Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, and Kevin Love, for example. And the list goes on. I have no problem with the point that you are trying to make, but singling Melo out in examples like this and throwing out inaccurate information to support it is not a good look.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

you arent gonna get a huge haul at this point. He is almost 32, with knee issues, and a huge contract. Id be happy with a couple firsts and the cap space

This is why I'm glad you won't be negotiating the deal

50 year old Garnet and Pierce landed basically 3 unprotected first rounders. Melo's contract becomes more reasonable after the cap boom. Only these boards regard 32 as old in the nba

I don't think Billy King works in the NBA anymore though. Hard to find suckers nowadays.

Ainge was ready to give up the farm (4 draft picks) to move up for Winslow. Not saying he's a sucker, he's a great GM, but if a team gets fixated on a guy, they will overpay. Negotiating is about timing and opportunity. Let's say Cleveland can't put it together this post season. They will naturally try to move Love and Melo would be a logical choice. Not saying he's the answer there, but with LeBron's influence and their desperation, they will move Love and additional compensation to get Melo. Love can likely be sent to Celtics, who are dying for a #1 guy, for their 2 best draft picks (definitely the Nets pick, plus either the Dallas or Boston pick). This is all very realistic. So you can't think of these opportunities as finding a sucker, it's about right place right time.

You got a point. Any contending team desperate for that last piece may consider it. I'm all about the right package of picks if it comes to a trade for Melo, my main concern is worry of major injury happening and his trade value getting severely compromised.

That's always a concern with any player, not just Melo. It is the chance you take.

I know, could happen to any player. But Melo is approaching Amare level fragility. If it isn't his surgically repaired knee, it's his shoulder. If it isn't his shoulder, it's his ankle. He's seemingly always had an injury every season, big and small. He hasn't played a full 82 game season in the NBA since his rookie season. The previous 4 seasons before this current one, he's averaged less than 60 games a season. That means he misses nearly a third of all games each season.

There's a heightened reason for concern due to Melo's fragile state.

Damn it you say some dumb ****. Melo is nowhere near as fragile as Amare'...not even close and for you to try to average out his missed games is not fair because we all know he was shut down for the 2nd half of the season last year and besides last season he doesn't miss that many games a year.

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

Completely agree. I treat this thread as just a hypothetical, value of Melo aside. But if Melo waives his NTC and Boston wants to get involved, i am asking for both the Nets pick and the Dallas pick.

agree. I'd take the nets' pick

Then what would you take. Boston is one of the few teams that has multiple picks laying around.

EnySpree wrote:I tell you what though. I have a feeling that Melo is going to be gone on draft night.

No use arguing. We should be celebrating. Our future is KP. We need to continue to build around him. If Melo is here or not is still the same situation

I dont see Melo waiving his NTC to go to a place like Boston, unless they sign a superstar this summer.

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

Completely agree. I treat this thread as just a hypothetical, value of Melo aside. But if Melo waives his NTC and Boston wants to get involved, i am asking for both the Nets pick and the Dallas pick.

Dreaming about trading Melo for two picks in the 10-20 range proves you're a fool.

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not trading Melo for two mid to late first round picks- atrocious negotiating.

Yeah i'm getting more for Melo than 2 mid 1st round picks. I'd take the two in this draft with a couple future picks whether they be late 1st or 2nd rounders and would want a young player as well. people under estimate what Melo is worth to teams.

smackeddog wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The only way a deal happens is if the NYK trade Melo for a pick to a team that is on the cusp of a championship but with a window quickly closing due to a star studded but aging roster. Miami is a prime candidate, then Memphis, Houston or Chicago, perhaps Dallas may want to give it one more shot in 2016-17.

I dont see Melo waiving his NTC to go to a place like Boston, unless they sign a superstar this summer.

It's been discussed a few times- a three way trade with Celtics and either the cavs or the clippers

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The only way a deal happens is if the NYK trade Melo for a pick to a team that is on the cusp of a championship but with a window quickly closing due to a star studded but aging roster. Miami is a prime candidate, then Memphis, Houston or Chicago, perhaps Dallas may want to give it one more shot in 2016-17.

I dont see Melo waiving his NTC to go to a place like Boston, unless they sign a superstar this summer.

It's been discussed a few times- a three way trade with Celtics and either the cavs or the clippers

I would be fine with this if it happened but I also am fine with Melo staying.