yellowboy90 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Batum agent hangs up the phone at $15m.

so you think he's a max player? Or that a team will max him out?

I think he will get the max from Jordan at the least and I also think other teams will try to give him the max.

The $15-17m would be his price in this cap but in a $92m salary cap year it will be at $20m or above. It just is what it is. Maybe his shooting will lower his price tag but I doubt it.

BRIGGS wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:What makes you think Walton is a great head coaching candidate? He has no experience implementing a system, integrating new players, etc.

Also, I think you are completely neglecting the impact that running Melo out of town will have on the franchise. Players will simply not respect that and we already have our backs against the wall when it comes to being an attractive destination.

I think he got great exposure to how a great teams works. He would be 50-5 if he was still there. I like the youth--I want someone young who can grow with the team as well. I DO NOT like Tom T he is near 60 he runs players into the ground and hes not flexible.

Boston got it right--our Brad Stevens is Luke Walton.

I agree with your desire for a young coach as the game has changed (regardless of how people may or may not feel about those changes) and a younger coach probably has a better feel for modern trends. Disagree with the choice and rationale. Walton did little to nothing for that team. Brad Stevens was a proven coach, despite his lack of NBA experience. I would sooner make a choice like that and pay somebody like Smart rather than overpay for Walton who literally did nothing in his career as a coach.

Worth noting that GS has caught major cap breaks from a timing perspective that allowed them to hold on to every player. This is not transferable to other teams. Walton will get a monster deal, I'd just rather they be the ones to hand out the monster paycheck even though we usually are.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With the Raptors and Celtics light years ahead of filled with multiple high draft picks and massive cap space of their own--we will have little chance to make headways over the next 2-3 years. It would take a shocking free agent--as in Lebron for us to change the tide and its not happening(and then we still need 3 more guards lol)

The path Id take
trade Carmelo for picks young players and cap
Try but if season goes bad next year full tank for another top 5 pick
only purchase quality low cost free agents who are YOUNG.
Really work on style of play and player development
Bring in Luke Walton

I think there are several upperclassmen guards in college who can help this team--I really believe that. It will take time but Id rather have players that we hand pick and develop. Its time for us to get the next Drey green Manu Ginobli and Isiah Thomas

Raptors and Celtics are good, and will be good for awhile, but neither team is winning a championship without dramatic improvements to the current roster. In fact, Toronto might be one more 1st round exit from just starting over. They flirt with rebuilding every year when they get bounced early in the playoffs. You want to know why? Because it is a superstars league. Teams with superstars win in the playoffs. We have Porzingis who is one of the leagues most likely young superstars. Getting a future star in the hardest thing to acquire. Toronto has 2 all-stars at their peaks. Neither is a franchise superstar. Celtics don't have that. So the "light years ahead" thing is not accurate.

They are so far ahead of us its not funny. Toronto can toy with us and they dont even have Demarre Carroll. And to improve the team if needed---they have a top 8 pick(ours) another 25 pick and just as much money as us with a better GM and coach? LOL???? I hate to break it to you Carmelo isnt a franchise superstar--if he was we wouldnt have lost more than we won since hes been here.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With the Raptors and Celtics light years ahead of filled with multiple high draft picks and massive cap space of their own--we will have little chance to make headways over the next 2-3 years. It would take a shocking free agent--as in Lebron for us to change the tide and its not happening(and then we still need 3 more guards lol)

The path Id take
trade Carmelo for picks young players and cap
Try but if season goes bad next year full tank for another top 5 pick
only purchase quality low cost free agents who are YOUNG.
Really work on style of play and player development
Bring in Luke Walton

I think there are several upperclassmen guards in college who can help this team--I really believe that. It will take time but Id rather have players that we hand pick and develop. Its time for us to get the next Drey green Manu Ginobli and Isiah Thomas

Raptors and Celtics are good, and will be good for awhile, but neither team is winning a championship without dramatic improvements to the current roster. In fact, Toronto might be one more 1st round exit from just starting over. They flirt with rebuilding every year when they get bounced early in the playoffs. You want to know why? Because it is a superstars league. Teams with superstars win in the playoffs. We have Porzingis who is one of the leagues most likely young superstars. Getting a future star in the hardest thing to acquire. Toronto has 2 all-stars at their peaks. Neither is a franchise superstar. Celtics don't have that. So the "light years ahead" thing is not accurate.

They are so far ahead of us its not funny. Toronto can toy with us and they dont even have Demarre Carroll. And to improve the team if needed---they have a top 8 pick(ours) another 25 pick and just as much money as us with a better GM and coach? LOL???? I hate to break it to you Carmelo isnt a franchise superstar--if he was we wouldnt have lost more than we won since hes been here.

Yup. Though Toronto or Boston don't have any superstars, they have the assets and flexibility to change that rather quickly. They also have respected coaches and stability now.

We have KP, broken down Melo, no draft pick or enviable assets and jack shyt on the coaching front. 11 out of 10 knowledgeable basketball people would prefer to be in the Raps or C's shoes than the Knicks, that's for sure.

BRIGGS wrote:With the Raptors and Celtics light years ahead of filled with multiple high draft picks and massive cap space of their own--we will have little chance to make headways over the next 2-3 years. It would take a shocking free agent--as in Lebron for us to change the tide and its not happening(and then we still need 3 more guards lol)

The path Id take
trade Carmelo for picks young players and cap
Try but if season goes bad next year full tank for another top 5 pick
only purchase quality low cost free agents who are YOUNG.
Really work on style of play and player development
Bring in Luke Walton

I think there are several upperclassmen guards in college who can help this team--I really believe that. It will take time but Id rather have players that we hand pick and develop. Its time for us to get the next Drey green Manu Ginobli and Isiah Thomas

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With the Raptors and Celtics light years ahead of filled with multiple high draft picks and massive cap space of their own--we will have little chance to make headways over the next 2-3 years. It would take a shocking free agent--as in Lebron for us to change the tide and its not happening(and then we still need 3 more guards lol)

The path Id take
trade Carmelo for picks young players and cap
Try but if season goes bad next year full tank for another top 5 pick
only purchase quality low cost free agents who are YOUNG.
Really work on style of play and player development
Bring in Luke Walton

I think there are several upperclassmen guards in college who can help this team--I really believe that. It will take time but Id rather have players that we hand pick and develop. Its time for us to get the next Drey green Manu Ginobli and Isiah Thomas

Raptors and Celtics are good, and will be good for awhile, but neither team is winning a championship without dramatic improvements to the current roster. In fact, Toronto might be one more 1st round exit from just starting over. They flirt with rebuilding every year when they get bounced early in the playoffs. You want to know why? Because it is a superstars league. Teams with superstars win in the playoffs. We have Porzingis who is one of the leagues most likely young superstars. Getting a future star in the hardest thing to acquire. Toronto has 2 all-stars at their peaks. Neither is a franchise superstar. Celtics don't have that. So the "light years ahead" thing is not accurate.

They are so far ahead of us its not funny. Toronto can toy with us and they dont even have Demarre Carroll. And to improve the team if needed---they have a top 8 pick(ours) another 25 pick and just as much money as us with a better GM and coach? LOL???? I hate to break it to you Carmelo isnt a franchise superstar--if he was we wouldnt have lost more than we won since hes been here.

Yup. Though Toronto or Boston don't have any superstars, they have the assets and flexibility to change that rather quickly. They also have respected coaches and stability now.

We have KP, broken down Melo, no draft pick or enviable assets and jack shyt on the coaching front. 11 out of 10 knowledgeable basketball people would prefer to be in the Raps or C's shoes than the Knicks, that's for sure.

Sure but KP has the opportunity to be a top-5 NBA player in a few years. How does Toronto or Boston acquire that type of player? You need one of those to win.

+1 - There is always risk, people forget that. Last year there was so much Morey talk on here it would make your head explode. Now...nothing! Pretend we didn't say that because he misfired. In addition he has likely blackballed himself with his outrageous trade demands this deadline and moving players he obviously knew might not pass a physical.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With the Raptors and Celtics light years ahead of filled with multiple high draft picks and massive cap space of their own--we will have little chance to make headways over the next 2-3 years. It would take a shocking free agent--as in Lebron for us to change the tide and its not happening(and then we still need 3 more guards lol)

The path Id take
trade Carmelo for picks young players and cap
Try but if season goes bad next year full tank for another top 5 pick
only purchase quality low cost free agents who are YOUNG.
Really work on style of play and player development
Bring in Luke Walton

I think there are several upperclassmen guards in college who can help this team--I really believe that. It will take time but Id rather have players that we hand pick and develop. Its time for us to get the next Drey green Manu Ginobli and Isiah Thomas

Raptors and Celtics are good, and will be good for awhile, but neither team is winning a championship without dramatic improvements to the current roster. In fact, Toronto might be one more 1st round exit from just starting over. They flirt with rebuilding every year when they get bounced early in the playoffs. You want to know why? Because it is a superstars league. Teams with superstars win in the playoffs. We have Porzingis who is one of the leagues most likely young superstars. Getting a future star in the hardest thing to acquire. Toronto has 2 all-stars at their peaks. Neither is a franchise superstar. Celtics don't have that. So the "light years ahead" thing is not accurate.

They are so far ahead of us its not funny. Toronto can toy with us and they dont even have Demarre Carroll. And to improve the team if needed---they have a top 8 pick(ours) another 25 pick and just as much money as us with a better GM and coach? LOL???? I hate to break it to you Carmelo isnt a franchise superstar--if he was we wouldnt have lost more than we won since hes been here.

Yup. Though Toronto or Boston don't have any superstars, they have the assets and flexibility to change that rather quickly. They also have respected coaches and stability now.

We have KP, broken down Melo, no draft pick or enviable assets and jack shyt on the coaching front. 11 out of 10 knowledgeable basketball people would prefer to be in the Raps or C's shoes than the Knicks, that's for sure.

Sure but KP has the opportunity to be a top-5 NBA player in a few years. How does Toronto or Boston acquire that type of player? You need one of those to win.

What assets or flexibility do we have to get someone besides KP? Boston has several 1st rounders in the pipeline, they have several moveable desirable trade assets like Turner and Crowder and Olynyk and Sullinger. We have KP and that's it. Unless Melo waives his NTC, we have no draft pick this year, we have no real desirable players teams would want. Toronto could move Terence Ross, Scola, Carroll once he's healthy along with their stash of future draft picks to improve on their core of Derozan(if he resigns) and Lowry and Valanciunas.

So KP grows into a stud, so what? We'll be the New Orleans Pelicans basically. Maybe KP will put up 59 and 20 like Anthony Davis...but for what? NO room to really contend without picks or free agents coming. Toronto and Boston already have building blocks and solid base with good coaching, Knicks got jack shyt besides 1 Latvian phenom.

martin wrote:Regarding Boston and Toronto and their coaches: it took each until the 3rd year to get to a .500 record. You gotta be patient.