BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

Did you guys look at the team stats? Yea... KP went from 10rpg to 6.5. Meanwhile Lopez has been getting more minutes. Lopez went from 23 minutes in Dec to 32 minutes per game in Feb. In Dec Lopez was averaging 4.5rebs, 7.1 in Jan and 11 in Feb.

Lopez is simply gobbling up rebounds KP used to get.

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If anything Rolo takes alot of pressure off KP.... they are like a poor man's Aldridge and Duncan right now but would be so much better if they had better guards.

all of our guards suck

this is it man... Briggs how can you look at this team's issues and walk away thinking KP/Rolo are a problem?

Raptor starting guards: 44pts, 14rebs, 13assists, 15-30 FGs
Knicks starting guards: 7pts, 7rebs, 4assists, 3-13 FGs

But yea... its Lopez and KP.

Lopez is a hell of a good basketball player, a very good signing, and no matter how many silly posts you start Briggs we should not trade him for 2nd rounders and cap space. For what Lopez brings his contract is a gem in this new CBA. After drafting KP, Lopez is probably Phil's best move.

I agree with a lot of this post. KP's defense has suffered mainly because of guard play; guards get beat too many times, KP has to rotate and pretty soon he's spending more time looking at the opposing guards expecting to rotate than his own man, e.g., Biyombo

Rolo has been impressive (except for Nets game) and was/is a good signing

I think KP would benefit if we simplify things for him a bit the rest of the season. He went from an offensive after thought, to our hoped for savior. too much too soon. he's so good but he's not Lebron (not yet at least)

Does anyone remember X-man (xavier mcdaniel)? I swear that guy only shot from like 2 or 3 spots from the floor but was effective.

We get these two guys working together and we can be a force to be reckoned with -- but that won't happen until our backcourt improves. And FWIW I'm optimistic it's a lot easier for us to fix our backcourt than it was for us to address the front court

I agree 100% and this is thing. We honestly got lucky signing Lopez. He wanted to be in the city and live near Brook even though their cats dont get along. Lopez sets a nasty screen and he and KP are excellent rim protectors. If you are a guard this is a desirable destination.

Thats something I never really keyed in on but that's got to be a big selling point to free agent guards.

Know what's a bigger selling point? Money and winning.

Teams don't respect our ability to drive and play our guys on the perimeter tight and real close.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

So as a rookie he's already as good as Ewing, Olajuwon, and David Robinson were in their peak years? He'd be playing at the Ewing-Olajuwon level if Rolo wasn't in the way? This is ridiculous. Last I saw, his rebounding rate was much better when Rolo was on the floor actually, though that was earlier in the season.

It looks like this is still the case

When Porzingis and Lopez share the court, the Knicks grab more than eight percent more offensive rebounds and nearly five percent more defensive rebounds than when Porzingis plays center, per NBAWowy.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/17/11022090/robin-lopez-knicks-role-player-highlights-stats
You can go to that website and see how the team does with any player on and any player off the court. With Rolo off the court, KP averages about 4 more points per 36 minutes but he shoots at about the same rate (44%). He just takes more shots. Meanwhile, he averages about 3 less rebounds per 36 when Rolo is off than on the court. So overall, he's less effective even though he takes more shots. The biggest problem is that we only have 3 players who belong in an NBA starting lineup (Melo, Rolo, and KP). So if you take one out, you have to replace him with someone who doesn't belong in a starting lineup.

Stevo718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lopez takes all of that juicy interior space and he has played well no doubt--BUT KP has NOT played well with Lopez IN the game for the most part. On top of it their interior defense has been nothing short of crppy.

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

Since the first month of the season I wanted....

5 Rolo
4 Melo
3 Williams

to start with KP off bench playing both C and PF...
Melo and Williams can play either PF or SF...

Rolo comes out you got KP in there, you throw the ball to Melo post up while you got KP and Williams on the perimeter waiting. Or KP can also post up... these 3 guys can all score from multiple positions...

OQuinn and Lance fill out the remainder minutes no more then 10 minutes a piece. (Although Id prefer KP and Rolo to take ALL the minutes at C)

Thats a very versatile lineup that needs a good coach to make the correct adjustments.
You have to maximize your best players.

On offense. But Melo/DWill are horrible defenders and horrible weak side/help defenders and that still remains.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lopez takes all of that juicy interior space and he has played well no doubt--BUT KP has NOT played well with Lopez IN the game for the most part. On top of it their interior defense has been nothing short of crppy.

I don't see that, I see a rookie struggling and no guards to help him out via penetration. KP's PnR game is not good, he doesn't know when to roll, when to pop. He seems to have lost the early season zest or confidence. And there are some bad defensive moments from him - the breakdown of the guards hasn't helped at all either.

KP stands around a lot and is awful at setting picks. His cuts are sloppy too.

Rolo has found some good mojo and flow. That hook is nice. I can't wait until he gets comfortable with the 10-18 face-up jumpshot.

Great points. Not to mention the three point love affair he is having lately. Some have mentioned they would prefer KP at the 5. Just doesn't make any sense. As you mentioned, Rolo has a good 10-18 foot game. Something you need from a center. KP seems to be pushed out way too easily and prefers the three. A major complain people have of most Euro big men. And I guess no one has seen him try to defend a legitimate center. I hope they are working with him on points mentioned.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

So as a rookie he's already as good as Ewing, Olajuwon, and David Robinson were in their peak years? He'd be playing at the Ewing-Olajuwon level if Rolo wasn't in the way? This is ridiculous. Last I saw, his rebounding rate was much better when Rolo was on the floor actually, though that was earlier in the season.

It looks like this is still the case

When Porzingis and Lopez share the court, the Knicks grab more than eight percent more offensive rebounds and nearly five percent more defensive rebounds than when Porzingis plays center, per NBAWowy.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/17/11022090/robin-lopez-knicks-role-player-highlights-stats
You can go to that website and see how the team does with any player on and any player off the court. With Rolo off the court, KP averages about 4 more points per 36 minutes but he shoots at about the same rate (44%). He just takes more shots. Meanwhile, he averages about 3 less rebounds per 36 when Rolo is off than on the court. So overall, he's less effective even though he takes more shots. The biggest problem is that we only have 3 players who belong in an NBA starting lineup (Melo, Rolo, and KP). So if you take one out, you have to replace him with someone who doesn't belong in a starting lineup.

This is a very interesting stat and post and what I long believed phill vision was. He wants these guys together w KP at 4. Over the course of the game the rebounding edge will be huge. To quote hated villain pat Riley, "no rebounds, no rings".

We need to get our defense right, with better D at the guards and an upgrade on offense from those positions and we can be a force. Some small changes can make a big difference for us

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

So as a rookie he's already as good as Ewing, Olajuwon, and David Robinson were in their peak years? He'd be playing at the Ewing-Olajuwon level if Rolo wasn't in the way? This is ridiculous. Last I saw, his rebounding rate was much better when Rolo was on the floor actually, though that was earlier in the season.

It looks like this is still the case

When Porzingis and Lopez share the court, the Knicks grab more than eight percent more offensive rebounds and nearly five percent more defensive rebounds than when Porzingis plays center, per NBAWowy.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/17/11022090/robin-lopez-knicks-role-player-highlights-stats
You can go to that website and see how the team does with any player on and any player off the court. With Rolo off the court, KP averages about 4 more points per 36 minutes but he shoots at about the same rate (44%). He just takes more shots. Meanwhile, he averages about 3 less rebounds per 36 when Rolo is off than on the court. So overall, he's less effective even though he takes more shots. The biggest problem is that we only have 3 players who belong in an NBA starting lineup (Melo, Rolo, and KP). So if you take one out, you have to replace him with someone who doesn't belong in a starting lineup.

This is a very interesting stat and post and what I long believed phill vision was. He wants these guys together w KP at 4. Over the course of the game the rebounding edge will be huge. To quote hated villain pat Riley, "no rebounds, no rings".

We need to get our defense right, with better D at the guards and an upgrade on offense from those positions and we can be a force. Some small changes can make a big difference for us