HofstraBBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks fans aren't as smart as they think; they hated Ewing as well. Give Carmelo a good supporting cast and see what he can do. That dude is an assassin on the court and you must acknowledge that.

Whats a good supporting cast 2 more all stars and the 6th man of the year. People will always make excuses about Melo's cast. Carmelo is a very good player but he was never better than a 2nd tier star

Yeah, and that year we did what for the first time in almost 15 years? I forget. Oh that's right, our 2nd tier star got us out of the first round of the playoffs. With most of his supporting cast either wussing out completely or playing like sheehit or fighting inanimate objects.

What a small fringe element of really really smart people will do is downgrade whatever Melo achieves because in order to validate their own self-percieved NBA intelligence, they need to ensure Melo is a bum. He's a 2nd tier star who just happens to be the most prolific scorer this franchise has ever seen.

He's a 2nd tier star and an All-Star. At the same time. Amazing how that works.

But KP, who hasn't accomplished sheeehit in comparison, inspires love and kisses from the same small band of small-minded HateBrothers. Just like the LinLovers. Just like we'll soon be reading from the Jimmer groupies. Not that KP is either of them, but the HateTicks will attach themselves to ANYONE ELSE'S testicles while whining about Melo ball washers.

Please, give it a fucking break.

I didn't call Melo a bum, and a 2nd tier star is not really an insult. It means he is a very good NBA player but not a guy that can carry a franchise which is the truth
Yes Melo is a great scorer but for all his scoring he hasn't done a lot of winning. Melo should do whats best for his legacy and for the Knicks,let us trade him this offseason. It makes no sense for the Knicks to build a team around him at his age. The Knicks need to be real bad next season to get another young All Star on a rookie deal.All Melo will do is ensure the Knicks overpay for an aging Guard that makes them the 6th seed in the East.

Melo will be the 1st tier star if he will win something or at least will contend for something.
His self defeating money grabs are his downfall.
Money you know is not all it is to the legacy of the player or man for this matter.
We cannot take even one cent on the way out but greatness is forever in memory.
Not to late for Melo to grow up especially he has enough money already for the rest of his life.

he has played some great games this season, starting around 10 games in when he got the memo that he had to be a better playmaker and defender. he delivered on that and all knicks fans were surely pleased, even those who decried the supermax contract and the no trade clause. in other words, not only was he playing great he was also justifying what had been a ridiculous contract.

however

he has also started to show worrisome signs of physical decline. people seem to forget that he has played 32,000 minutes to get those 22,000 points, over a span of 13 seasons, not including all-star games, olympics, pre-season. the physical decline could be precipitous going forward, essentially making his contract a horrible deal for the knicks.

he says that winning in new york even once is the equivalent of winning three titles anywhere else, and i can certainly agree with that. it would certainly cement his legacy as a knick. if he doesn't then his legacy will be a bad one-- it is unavoidable.

if he wants to win a title in new york it will have to be on limited minutes in order to extend his career as a starting-caliber player. it should not matter whether he starts or comes off the bench, what matters is that he be on a minutes restriction on the order of 24-28 minutes a game. i think it'd be a feel-good story of he were to win sixth man of the year the same season the knicks win a title.

You make Avery good point. I did not like Melo and now think we are lucky to have him as no other All Star is dying to come here. His knees are the only thing worrisome. Too bad because his style of play has improved. Was asking several others that quote the Denver trade but maybe you can tell me who they missed on by giving them the 1st and 2 seconds in the draft. Who has Denver kept amd are excelling with them currently? I can only think of Danillo. And after being injured for quite some time.

gallinari for sure, but injuries have waylaid his career-- when he is healthy he justifies his being 6th pick in the draft and he is also a top 10 small forward right now. wilson chandler? even worse than gallinari in terms of durability and he turned out to be a journeyman type anyway. mozgov is the only other player in that deal but it seems like he has fallen off. the draft class in 2014 was weak even if the knicks might have been in line for a top ten player that year. 2012 second round, however, had crowder and draymond green so that's a huge, huge missed opportunity. 2013 second round had nobody of note.

the bargnani trade the knicks gave up a first round pick this summer. that's going to also hurt.

Kemet wrote:Blind eyes refuse to see after 5 Knicks offseason with Melo .. Top FA players dont want Melo as a teammate.
Top Players dont want to be traded to the Knicks bc of Melo slow style ISO-performance.

So if you want to go off wins the Knicks have been a better BB team with Melo than before he got here.
So if you want to go off attracting FAs Knicks have been a better draw with Melo than without.

Kemet... who was the FA you feel the Knicks had a chance to land, but didn't want to come here because of Melo?

jrodmc wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks fans aren't as smart as they think; they hated Ewing as well. Give Carmelo a good supporting cast and see what he can do. That dude is an assassin on the court and you must acknowledge that.

Whats a good supporting cast 2 more all stars and the 6th man of the year. People will always make excuses about Melo's cast. Carmelo is a very good player but he was never better than a 2nd tier star

Yeah, and that year we did what for the first time in almost 15 years? I forget. Oh that's right, our 2nd tier star got us out of the first round of the playoffs. With most of his supporting cast either wussing out completely or playing like sheehit or fighting inanimate objects.

What a small fringe element of really really smart people will do is downgrade whatever Melo achieves because in order to validate their own self-percieved NBA intelligence, they need to ensure Melo is a bum. He's a 2nd tier star who just happens to be the most prolific scorer this franchise has ever seen.

He's a 2nd tier star and an All-Star. At the same time. Amazing how that works.

But KP, who hasn't accomplished sheeehit in comparison, inspires love and kisses from the same small band of small-minded HateBrothers. Just like the LinLovers. Just like we'll soon be reading from the Jimmer groupies. Not that KP is either of them, but the HateTicks will attach themselves to ANYONE ELSE'S testicles while whining about Melo ball washers.

Please, give it a fucking break.

I didn't call Melo a bum, and a 2nd tier star is not really an insult. It means he is a very good NBA player but not a guy that can carry a franchise which is the truth
Yes Melo is a great scorer but for all his scoring he hasn't done a lot of winning. Melo should do whats best for his legacy and for the Knicks,let us trade him this offseason. It makes no sense for the Knicks to build a team around him at his age. The Knicks need to be real bad next season to get another young All Star on a rookie deal.All Melo will do is ensure the Knicks overpay for an aging Guard that makes them the 6th seed in the East.

Yes indeedy, Melo should do what you think is best for himself and this franchise: Have the Knicks become the Hinkie Sixers. I hear tickets to their games are pretty cheap.
Funny, all Melo has ensured so far is:
--ensure KP can mature and grow without having to carry the burden of a tanking franchise. Looks like OK4's having lotsa fun in Philly, doesn't he?
--continue to improve his facilitating ability now that he has teammates who don't major in airballs, bricks, dribbling off their own feet, or untying shoes.
--continue his rebounding stats
--continue improving his defense
But from here on out, all Melo will ensure is we get "an aging Guard." Check. Didn't know that was common knowledge. Especially since we already have one of those.
Glad that doesn't make him a bum, either.

Keys to success in the NBA that really make sense:
1) trade the best player you have, statistically, leadership, mentoring and otherwise. Especially when he's playing better. And you've proven you can't win shit without him.
2) continue to tank every season you're projected to win less than 40 games.
3) stockpile draft picks and hope to win the lottery
4) wait for Lebron or Steph Curry or KD to decide they suddenly like NYC
5) only sign all the FA's that are at the level of Kwami Leonard

Cool of man.
We just discussing if dropping 10+K buckets is a synonym of NBA greatness.
There are various opinions on this which everyone is entitled too. Free country.
Some Knicks fans like Melo game, some not. Everyone has valid arguments.
Personally I have no strong feeling for him.
He is is in or out I do not care much. Woks eater way about the same for Knicks going forward.

Jmpasq wrote:

arkrud wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks fans aren't as smart as they think; they hated Ewing as well. Give Carmelo a good supporting cast and see what he can do. That dude is an assassin on the court and you must acknowledge that.

Whats a good supporting cast 2 more all stars and the 6th man of the year. People will always make excuses about Melo's cast. Carmelo is a very good player but he was never better than a 2nd tier star

Yeah, and that year we did what for the first time in almost 15 years? I forget. Oh that's right, our 2nd tier star got us out of the first round of the playoffs. With most of his supporting cast either wussing out completely or playing like sheehit or fighting inanimate objects.

What a small fringe element of really really smart people will do is downgrade whatever Melo achieves because in order to validate their own self-percieved NBA intelligence, they need to ensure Melo is a bum. He's a 2nd tier star who just happens to be the most prolific scorer this franchise has ever seen.

He's a 2nd tier star and an All-Star. At the same time. Amazing how that works.

But KP, who hasn't accomplished sheeehit in comparison, inspires love and kisses from the same small band of small-minded HateBrothers. Just like the LinLovers. Just like we'll soon be reading from the Jimmer groupies. Not that KP is either of them, but the HateTicks will attach themselves to ANYONE ELSE'S testicles while whining about Melo ball washers.

Please, give it a fucking break.

I didn't call Melo a bum, and a 2nd tier star is not really an insult. It means he is a very good NBA player but not a guy that can carry a franchise which is the truth
Yes Melo is a great scorer but for all his scoring he hasn't done a lot of winning. Melo should do whats best for his legacy and for the Knicks,let us trade him this offseason. It makes no sense for the Knicks to build a team around him at his age. The Knicks need to be real bad next season to get another young All Star on a rookie deal.All Melo will do is ensure the Knicks overpay for an aging Guard that makes them the 6th seed in the East.

Yes indeedy, Melo should do what you think is best for himself and this franchise: Have the Knicks become the Hinkie Sixers. I hear tickets to their games are pretty cheap.
Funny, all Melo has ensured so far is:
--ensure KP can mature and grow without having to carry the burden of a tanking franchise. Looks like OK4's having lotsa fun in Philly, doesn't he?
--continue to improve his facilitating ability now that he has teammates who don't major in airballs, bricks, dribbling off their own feet, or untying shoes.
--continue his rebounding stats
--continue improving his defense
But from here on out, all Melo will ensure is we get "an aging Guard." Check. Didn't know that was common knowledge. Especially since we already have one of those.
Glad that doesn't make him a bum, either.

Keys to success in the NBA that really make sense:
1) trade the best player you have, statistically, leadership, mentoring and otherwise. Especially when he's playing better. And you've proven you can't win shit without him.
2) continue to tank every season you're projected to win less than 40 games.
3) stockpile draft picks and hope to win the lottery
4) wait for Lebron or Steph Curry or KD to decide they suddenly like NYC
5) only sign all the FA's that are at the level of Kwami Leonard

Cool of man.
We just discussing if dropping 10+K buckets is a synonym of NBA greatness.
There are various opinions on this which everyone is entitled too. Free country.
Some Knicks fans like Melo game, some not. Everyone has valid arguments.
Personally I have no strong feeling for him.
He is is in or out I do not care much. Woks eater way about the same for Knicks going forward.

Yeah point to the 76ers, ignore the successful teams built through the draft like the best team maybe in NBA history the Warriors.Wait to see what the Celtics look like in a couple years. Melo guarantees mediocre losing basketball. I guess you enjoy that. No one is coming here to join Melo. Did Aldridge want to play here, Dion Jordan, even Greg Monroe. No one is coming here to play with him. The Knicks are a joke around the league. The only way the Knicks change that is by drafting their own players. This should of been done 15 years ago but the Knicks keep chasing players who use them as leverage.

Warriors and... Pelicans, Timberwolves, Charlotte, Washington, Detroit, Nuggets etc. Easy to point to a lottery winner. So we should quit our jobs and play lotto. Brilliant. The Celts need to hold on to a couple of key guys in the next two years to continue progress. Remember the Bucks last year? And they were nothing until Thomas came along. As for free agents I am sure free agents would be knocking down the doors to join a team minus Melo. Good point.