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The importance of PG play
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newyorker4ever
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2/21/2016  9:46 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not going to bash our current PGs, but will criticize Phil's views on that front. The game starts and ends with the PG, I have no idea why Phil always over look that position. IMO the reason why the triangle was successful, is because of Jordan/Pippen and Kobe's ability to run plays and get others involved. They were not PGs, but they were very proficient with the concept of getting others involved.

One of the reasons Knicks have struggled with the triangle, is because the guards are not that good at making plays for others off the dribble. Off course their lack of defensive prowess is huge, but when your back court can't be counted on to collect at least 8 assists, it is a problem. I love Aflalo, but his inability to create for others is not an asset.

Honestly...don't you get bored saying the same thing in different ways almost every day in a new thread?

I think that everyone, including Phil, knows that we need at upgrade at the lead guard position...not sure that creating at least one post a day trying to get a direct or indirect shot at Calderon (Which is where you are going in this thread...don't insult my intelligence and say otherwise, please.) is going to accomplish anything but gets folks annoyed with what comes across to me as incessant whining on your part.

Move on...we all know your position about Jose. Make some observations on particular plays he screws up in the game thread without going into your typical rant. Might be refreshing to see this kind of thing from you.

Yeah it seems pretty clear to me that everyone involved with the Knicks know we need back court help especially at PG so i'm not understanding this thread but i guess we can talk about the same things we already talk about in other threads in this thread.

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2/21/2016  9:49 AM
crzymdups wrote:Wait, I thought once Fisher was gone Grant would get the consistent minutes he deserved and all our PG problems would be solved?

The problem is that he doesn't actually deserve any minutes but hopefully he can get better before next year and earn himself more minutes before this year ends. I think if/when it gets to where we're out of the playoff race he'll then get more minutes.

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2/21/2016  9:54 AM
the WORLD is round.....
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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2/21/2016  11:32 AM
Question: are there any PGs drafted after Jerrian Grant that is playing better than grant this year?
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2/21/2016  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2016  11:42 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not going to bash our current PGs, but will criticize Phil's views on that front. The game starts and ends with the PG, I have no idea why Phil always over look that position. IMO the reason why the triangle was successful, is because of Jordan/Pippen and Kobe's ability to run plays and get others involved. They were not PGs, but they were very proficient with the concept of getting others involved.

One of the reasons Knicks have struggled with the triangle, is because the guards are not that good at making plays for others off the dribble. Off course their lack of defensive prowess is huge, but when your back court can't be counted on to collect at least 8 assists, it is a problem. I love Aflalo, but his inability to create for others is not an asset.

Honestly...don't you get bored saying the same thing in different ways almost every day in a new thread?

I think that everyone, including Phil, knows that we need at upgrade at the lead guard position...not sure that creating at least one post a day trying to get a direct or indirect shot at Calderon (Which is where you are going in this thread...don't insult my intelligence and say otherwise, please.) is going to accomplish anything but gets folks annoyed with what comes across to me as incessant whining on your part.

Move on...we all know your position about Jose. Make some observations on particular plays he screws up in the game thread without going into your typical rant. Might be refreshing to see this kind of thing from you.

Yeah it seems pretty clear to me that everyone involved with the Knicks know we need back court help especially at PG so i'm not understanding this thread but i guess we can talk about the same things we already talk about in other threads in this thread.

Ok, here is a question to all of you: should the Knicks offer a big contract to Conley or Rondo who will be available next season or save the money for Westbrook? I am a huge Westbrook fan and believe he is the Alfa dog we truly need. I think we should go strong after a SG (maybe Batum) and a serviceable PG to be the backup to Westbrook.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/21/2016  12:42 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not going to bash our current PGs, but will criticize Phil's views on that front. The game starts and ends with the PG, I have no idea why Phil always over look that position. IMO the reason why the triangle was successful, is because of Jordan/Pippen and Kobe's ability to run plays and get others involved. They were not PGs, but they were very proficient with the concept of getting others involved.

One of the reasons Knicks have struggled with the triangle, is because the guards are not that good at making plays for others off the dribble. Off course their lack of defensive prowess is huge, but when your back court can't be counted on to collect at least 8 assists, it is a problem. I love Aflalo, but his inability to create for others is not an asset.

Honestly...don't you get bored saying the same thing in different ways almost every day in a new thread?

I think that everyone, including Phil, knows that we need at upgrade at the lead guard position...not sure that creating at least one post a day trying to get a direct or indirect shot at Calderon (Which is where you are going in this thread...don't insult my intelligence and say otherwise, please.) is going to accomplish anything but gets folks annoyed with what comes across to me as incessant whining on your part.

Move on...we all know your position about Jose. Make some observations on particular plays he screws up in the game thread without going into your typical rant. Might be refreshing to see this kind of thing from you.

Yeah it seems pretty clear to me that everyone involved with the Knicks know we need back court help especially at PG so i'm not understanding this thread but i guess we can talk about the same things we already talk about in other threads in this thread.

Ok, here is a question to all of you: should the Knicks offer a big contract to Conley or Rondo who will be available next season or save the money for Westbrook? I am a huge Westbrook fan and believe he is the Alfa dog we truly need. I think we should go strong after a SG (maybe Batum) and a serviceable PG to be the backup to Westbrook.

Westbrook is a rare talent but 1) No more "waiting for the next superstar" and 2) With the cap expected to rise we could probably get both Conley and Westbrook especially considering Mike is good off the ball(I just don't see either happening honestly)

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2/21/2016  12:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2016  4:56 PM
tj23 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not going to bash our current PGs, but will criticize Phil's views on that front. The game starts and ends with the PG, I have no idea why Phil always over look that position. IMO the reason why the triangle was successful, is because of Jordan/Pippen and Kobe's ability to run plays and get others involved. They were not PGs, but they were very proficient with the concept of getting others involved.

One of the reasons Knicks have struggled with the triangle, is because the guards are not that good at making plays for others off the dribble. Off course their lack of defensive prowess is huge, but when your back court can't be counted on to collect at least 8 assists, it is a problem. I love Aflalo, but his inability to create for others is not an asset.

Honestly...don't you get bored saying the same thing in different ways almost every day in a new thread?

I think that everyone, including Phil, knows that we need at upgrade at the lead guard position...not sure that creating at least one post a day trying to get a direct or indirect shot at Calderon (Which is where you are going in this thread...don't insult my intelligence and say otherwise, please.) is going to accomplish anything but gets folks annoyed with what comes across to me as incessant whining on your part.

Move on...we all know your position about Jose. Make some observations on particular plays he screws up in the game thread without going into your typical rant. Might be refreshing to see this kind of thing from you.

Yeah it seems pretty clear to me that everyone involved with the Knicks know we need back court help especially at PG so i'm not understanding this thread but i guess we can talk about the same things we already talk about in other threads in this thread.

Ok, here is a question to all of you: should the Knicks offer a big contract to Conley or Rondo who will be available next season or save the money for Westbrook? I am a huge Westbrook fan and believe he is the Alfa dog we truly need. I think we should go strong after a SG (maybe Batum) and a serviceable PG to be the backup to Westbrook.

Westbrook is a rare talent but 1) No more "waiting for the next superstar" and 2) With the cap expected to rise we could probably get both Conley and Westbrook especially considering Mike is good off the ball(I just don't see either happening honestly)

That dude is more than worth the wait. We should get a dude like MCW for cheap and add a SG like Batum next season. But we MUST ensure that we have enough money to throw at Westbrook. This dude's game has grown so much, he is comperable to Curry if you ask me.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/21/2016  4:57 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Wait, I thought once Fisher was gone Grant would get the consistent minutes he deserved and all our PG problems would be solved?

The problem is that he doesn't actually deserve any minutes but hopefully he can get better before next year and earn himself more minutes before this year ends. I think if/when it gets to where we're out of the playoff race he'll then get more minutes.

I would love for Grant to develop into a star, but he has not shown enough to view him as a keeper

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/21/2016  5:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2016  5:49 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:I am not going to bash our current PGs, but will criticize Phil's views on that front. The game starts and ends with the PG, I have no idea why Phil always over look that position. IMO the reason why the triangle was successful, is because of Jordan/Pippen and Kobe's ability to run plays and get others involved. They were not PGs, but they were very proficient with the concept of getting others involved.

One of the reasons Knicks have struggled with the triangle, is because the guards are not that good at making plays for others off the dribble. Off course their lack of defensive prowess is huge, but when your back court can't be counted on to collect at least 8 assists, it is a problem. I love Aflalo, but his inability to create for others is not an asset.

Honestly...don't you get bored saying the same thing in different ways almost every day in a new thread?

I think that everyone, including Phil, knows that we need at upgrade at the lead guard position...not sure that creating at least one post a day trying to get a direct or indirect shot at Calderon (Which is where you are going in this thread...don't insult my intelligence and say otherwise, please.) is going to accomplish anything but gets folks annoyed with what comes across to me as incessant whining on your part.

Move on...we all know your position about Jose. Make some observations on particular plays he screws up in the game thread without going into your typical rant. Might be refreshing to see this kind of thing from you.

Yeah it seems pretty clear to me that everyone involved with the Knicks know we need back court help especially at PG so i'm not understanding this thread but i guess we can talk about the same things we already talk about in other threads in this thread.

Ok, here is a question to all of you: should the Knicks offer a big contract to Conley or Rondo who will be available next season or save the money for Westbrook? I am a huge Westbrook fan and believe he is the Alfa dog we truly need. I think we should go strong after a SG (maybe Batum) and a serviceable PG to be the backup to Westbrook.

I've made plenty of posts saying we could sign a guy like J.Crawford for a cheap two year contract with an opt out after the 1st year to get us to the 2017 off season where there's a bunch of good point guards that are free agents. I love what Westbrook does, who doesn't? But as great as he is i wonder if he's one of those guys that puts up unbelievable stats but can't win a championship because he's not enough of the team guy?? There's a lot of stars in the league and have been in the league that won't ever or didn't ever win a championship but put up great numbers. OKC has had a team full of really good to great players for a few years now but they haven't won any championships and i don't even know if they've been to the WCF or not but they might of gone to one but not sure. Now i have no idea if that's what Russell is or not and i'm not saying he is but it's a legit question for sure. I'd be ecstatic to be able to get him anyway and see what we can do with him but Melo has that same label of being a star that can't win the big one so if that's what Russell is then how would him and Melo do together?? Russell and Durant haven't done it and they're surrounded by good players in OKC.

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2/22/2016  3:18 PM
http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/22/2016  3:58 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/

I would start Galloway at PG and Calderon at SG.

Bring Afflalo off the bench to lead the bench unit and he can post up more and lead a more steady offensive attack.

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2/22/2016  4:16 PM
Have a feeling that Rambis found out that Calderon was the one who hacked into Kurt's Twitter account, and this is why he's being demoted.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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2/22/2016  4:47 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Have a feeling that Rambis found out that Calderon was the one who hacked into Kurt's Twitter account, and this is why he's being demoted.

Lmfao

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/22/2016  4:48 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/

I would start Galloway at PG and Calderon at SG.

Bring Afflalo off the bench to lead the bench unit and he can post up more and lead a more steady offensive attack.

No comment

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/22/2016  4:49 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/

I would start Galloway at PG and Calderon at SG.

Bring Afflalo off the bench to lead the bench unit and he can post up more and lead a more steady offensive attack.

No comment

Well then I have no response.

¿ △ ?
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2/22/2016  5:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/

I would start Galloway at PG and Calderon at SG.

Bring Afflalo off the bench to lead the bench unit and he can post up more and lead a more steady offensive attack.

No comment

Well then I have no response.

Who did you say you want as your starting SG??

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/22/2016  5:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/

I would start Galloway at PG and Calderon at SG.

Bring Afflalo off the bench to lead the bench unit and he can post up more and lead a more steady offensive attack.

No comment

Well then I have no response.

I got nothing to say.
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2/22/2016  5:32 PM
Malcolm wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:http://dailyknicks.com/2016/02/22/new-york-knicks-start-langston-galloway/

I would start Galloway at PG and Calderon at SG.

Bring Afflalo off the bench to lead the bench unit and he can post up more and lead a more steady offensive attack.

No comment

Well then I have no response.

I got nothing to say.

I'm just not going to go there.

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2/22/2016  9:58 PM
I will say nothing about our back court tonight::::))))
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
The importance of PG play

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