HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

YAWN!! You mean do what the Nuggets did a few years back? How that rebuild do? Just Awesome. And cue up the 1000 threads of yours and others arm chair GM's genius Draft suggestions. Cant wait. Luckily, Phil is not dumb enough to sign Melo to a Max deal with NTC with the idea he would look to deal him early. But you know better and he tried, got several first round pick offers and Melo said no. Got it. He will stay on track and look to add another high level player as well as adjust some of the supporting cast.

+1
Yeah, and when you get tired of reading threads about draft suggestions, you can read all the gunsewing posts about how we should follow the Sixers model. Or how we should all starting posting in tkf-mode.
Brilliant!

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

what about...
2003 pick#9 michael sweetney
2005 pick#8 channing frye
2008 pick#6 danilo gallinari
2009 pick#8 jordan hill

just because you have picks in the lottery, doesn't mean it ends well. the warriors have drafted well, kudos to them, but we could also put the twolves draft history up here too and show a story worse than the knicks.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

We have our foundational player, just as GS did with Steph in 2009. GS first playoffs were 2012-13, 3 years into the Steph career. That whole timeline is 6 years from draft to Championship. You willing to wait 3 years of no playoffs and 6 years total?

You are already advocating total teardown (again) after half season.

If Melo can get me Brooklyn's pick and one other--thats all. Ill keep Lopez KP and two young guards. The rest of the team is sketchy anyway?

Knixkik wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

what about...
2003 pick#9 michael sweetney
2005 pick#8 channing frye
2008 pick#6 danilo gallinari
2009 pick#8 jordan hill

just because you have picks in the lottery, doesn't mean it ends well. the warriors have drafted well, kudos to them, but we could also put the twolves draft history up here too and show a story worse than the knicks.

Exactly right. There is only 1 golden state, whereas there are so many other failures building through the draft. We got lucky with our pick. Had we picked #2 or #3 we wouldn't have been so lucky. But there are plenty of ways to build this thing.

NAME			POS	AGE	HT	Pick#
Gorgui Dieng		C	26	6-11	21, 2013
Tyus Jones		PG	19	6-2	24, 2015
Zach LaVine		PG	20	6-5	13, 2014
Shabazz Muhammad	SF	23	6-6	14, 2013
Adreian Payne		PF	25	6-10	15, 2014
Ricky Rubio		PG	25	6-4	5, 2009
Karl-Anthony Towns	C	20	7-0	1, 2015
Andrew Wiggins		SG	20	6-8	1, 2014

Or Philly.

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

Golden state drafted very well and got a little lucky. The chance that we are going to turn a 7 into Curry and an 11 in Klay a 34 into Dray - are about a thousand to 1. Not saying you can't build through the draft - but they had a streak of draft picks that is extremely rare.

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

We have our foundational player, just as GS did with Steph in 2009. GS first playoffs were 2012-13, 3 years into the Steph career. That whole timeline is 6 years from draft to Championship. You willing to wait 3 years of no playoffs and 6 years total?

You are already advocating total teardown (again) after half season.

If Melo can get me Brooklyn's pick and one other--thats all. Ill keep Lopez KP and two young guards. The rest of the team is sketchy anyway?

You forgot to mention a couple of key vets. Who basically won key playoff games for them. Clue...not a draft pick. And as everyone has mentioned, please name the many examples of teams who have been stuck in draft pick limbo. This type of acute example would be like using the Heat and their big three as a model for building a ring. Just not easy for other teams to imitate. Let's just face it, your a hindsite complainer. As well as a composer of crazy scenarios that can never be proven wrong as they will never materialize. Did you have a girlfriend that no one ever saw throughout school? I am sure she was really hot.

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knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

Golden state drafted very well and got a little lucky. The chance that we are going to turn a 7 into Curry and an 11 in Klay a 34 into Dray - are about a thousand to 1. Not saying you can't build through the draft - but they had a streak of draft picks that is extremely rare.

Also helps when some of the teams ahead of you make bonehead picks.