Knicks1969 wrote:It was the coach. However, Rambo is not doing better. He is playing Jose too many minutes and not using Williams and Thomas enough

Thomas looked pretty bad out there tonight. Playing Williams more tonight? He was ok but not a difference maker by any means.
I am sways surprised at how different some people see games/players. Thomas was a mess tonight in my opinion.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

KP can't play 48min.

It may not be the system, but the way it is being coached by Phil and his disciples is not working.

I don't have a problem with what Rambis has tried to do so far. The players have to execute much better and part of the problem is the talent they lack the other part is just not playing smart. It's IMO too easy to say it's something wrong with the system. Neither Jose, AA, Gallo or Jerian have been able to really thrive and that is killing the team. It's sad to think that the best guard we saw in this system was Shved. It's not like he's a superstar. He just understood how to play in this system. It takes away a HUGE part of the offense when you don't have that attacking big guard in the Pinch Post action. I thought Jerian would be able to thrive in it but he's too hesitant and he's not confident with his jumper. He has the other physical skills to be able to do well cuz it's very similar to PnR action.

Just remember that the System didn't make RoLo blow bunnies or Jerian miss layups and throw the ball away. System didn't make Melo miss his 2nd half jumpers. We can't win if Melo isn't going to be Melo and everyone else is also playing low energy. It's really about the players not playing well regardless of system. Especially on defense. Knicks have to get up into guys and make them uncomfortable. The effort and energy problem is something they can and should fix!!!

yea its sad that with Shved we were playing better triangle basketball during a 17 win season than we are now

DrAlphaeus wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

KP can't play 48min.

It may not be the system, but the way it is being coached by Phil and his disciples is not working.

I don't have a problem with what Rambis has tried to do so far. The players have to execute much better and part of the problem is the talent they lack the other part is just not playing smart. It's IMO too easy to say it's something wrong with the system. Neither Jose, AA, Gallo or Jerian have been able to really thrive and that is killing the team. It's sad to think that the best guard we saw in this system was Shved. It's not like he's a superstar. He just understood how to play in this system. It takes away a HUGE part of the offense when you don't have that attacking big guard in the Pinch Post action. I thought Jerian would be able to thrive in it but he's too hesitant and he's not confident with his jumper. He has the other physical skills to be able to do well cuz it's very similar to PnR action.

Just remember that the System didn't make RoLo blow bunnies or Jerian miss layups and throw the ball away. System didn't make Melo miss his 2nd half jumpers. We can't win if Melo isn't going to be Melo and everyone else is also playing low energy. It's really about the players not playing well regardless of system. Especially on defense. Knicks have to get up into guys and make them uncomfortable. The effort and energy problem is something they can and should fix!!!

Man... this dude Shved stuck in your head like nail...
He is long gone.
I agree with you on the players... they are not smart.
KP probably the only one who can triangle and Melo just can straight ball so he is not a problem on the court (he is the problem on the cap).
This system need smart and skilled players who can execute.
This takes years for young players to learn and not many vets are filling the bill.
Today NBA in general designed for dumb jump out of the gym dudes.
Phil wants to prove otherwise... Good luck to him.

I will cop to researching what Shved is doing these days. I hadn't realized that the deal he signed made him the highest paid player outside the NBA — $10.2 million over 3 years. Homeboy is doing OK for himself over there:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KVZ&seasoncode=E2015#!ranks

Ah well. Gotta let it go...

I would absolutely bring schved back fantastic trade to acquire him god awful decision to split ways with him. I suspect now it wasn't the player but the draft picks or we would've matched 3-4 mm per???????

But phil should look into getting him back. No doubt about it we need 6 guards he's just 1 he would've helped changed fortunes this year

Lopez
KP
Melo
Calderon

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

KP can't play 48min.

It may not be the system, but the way it is being coached by Phil and his disciples is not working.

I don't have a problem with what Rambis has tried to do so far. The players have to execute much better and part of the problem is the talent they lack the other part is just not playing smart. It's IMO too easy to say it's something wrong with the system. Neither Jose, AA, Gallo or Jerian have been able to really thrive and that is killing the team. It's sad to think that the best guard we saw in this system was Shved. It's not like he's a superstar. He just understood how to play in this system. It takes away a HUGE part of the offense when you don't have that attacking big guard in the Pinch Post action. I thought Jerian would be able to thrive in it but he's too hesitant and he's not confident with his jumper. He has the other physical skills to be able to do well cuz it's very similar to PnR action.

Just remember that the System didn't make RoLo blow bunnies or Jerian miss layups and throw the ball away. System didn't make Melo miss his 2nd half jumpers. We can't win if Melo isn't going to be Melo and everyone else is also playing low energy. It's really about the players not playing well regardless of system. Especially on defense. Knicks have to get up into guys and make them uncomfortable. The effort and energy problem is something they can and should fix!!!

Man... this dude Shved stuck in your head like nail...
He is long gone.
I agree with you on the players... they are not smart.
KP probably the only one who can triangle and Melo just can straight ball so he is not a problem on the court (he is the problem on the cap).
This system need smart and skilled players who can execute.
This takes years for young players to learn and not many vets are filling the bill.
Today NBA in general designed for dumb jump out of the gym dudes.
Phil wants to prove otherwise... Good luck to him.

I will cop to researching what Shved is doing these days. I hadn't realized that the deal he signed made him the highest paid player outside the NBA — $10.2 million over 3 years. Homeboy is doing OK for himself over there:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=KVZ&seasoncode=E2015#!ranks

Ah well. Gotta let it go...

I would absolutely bring schved back fantastic trade to acquire him god awful decision to split ways with him. I suspect now it wasn't the player but the draft picks or we would've matched 3-4 mm per???????

But phil should look into getting him back. No doubt about it we need 6 guards he's just 1 he would've helped changed fortunes this year

Fisher wanted the immortal Serafin over him

tj23 wrote:The triangle is hard to grasp. They have the basics down and most of the guys can't do more than that. Also we are the slowest team in the league. It's not just the system.

I was against signing Rolo because he and Brook are the slowest lumbering athletes I've ever seen but I was told he would help us win

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

its the players,system,and the coach...pretty simple

Paris907 wrote:The league is changing and has been changing. GSW small ball has forced teams to alter their lineups and have teams that can respond. Suddenly 3 guys on the floor who can hit the 3 are required. Players from 6'5 to 6'8" are in the Lineup to shoot play D and bound. Passing is at a premium. Intelligent Movement is at a premium. Holtzman would have loved it. This the Fourniers the Batums and college players resembling the multifaceted Skills of a draymont Green will be coveted. Even the big men today will need to demonstrate athleticism and shoot in order to get their minutes. KP is a perfect example and KAT is a prototype as well. Slow methodical pound it down low and Rolo ball ain't gonna get it although D never goes out of style

I'm fine with Rolo on the team.....Just not as a primary starter. More of a playoff type center, who can come in a take advantage of mismatches down low and slow the game down. Fisher understood this which is why he was playing Rolo less and KP more in crutch time, with Melo as the PF, which was our version of small ball.

Phil is a slow lumbering big.....Rambis is also a big. This is why they love the twin tower lineup. It works on the video game and on paper, but not in reality. Lopez is too slow and KP still needs to increase his defensive IQ. Right now, it's a bad combination of players.