fishmike wrote:
The contract isn't bad at all. It was fat at the time... yes, but a move the Knicks had to make.

Are you phucking kidding me? HAD to make? They didn't HAD to do anything.

They could've let him walk to Chicago, which is what should've happened. You don't give a guy 124mill over 5 years when they're 31 years old unless you're close to competing for a championship.

BRIGGS wrote:Jim Dolan has done the same thing with Carmelo as he did with isiah. He made a terrible trade that hamstrung the team twice once with the original and second with bargain. Now his idiot move to give a ntc has stuck is in the mid with him He could've left for clev and we would've had multi assets to improve which is what we needed to do. So were stuck with him and will be forced. By him to over pay for a pro pg either through free agency or trade and it still Wong be near enough

Another dumb Briggs thread. You've been making a bunch of threads lately and a lot of them are about the same thing or player that you've already made threads about so it's hard to keep up.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Jim Dolan has done the same thing with Carmelo as he did with isiah. He made a terrible trade that hamstrung the team twice once with the original and second with bargain. Now his idiot move to give a ntc has stuck is in the mid with him He could've left for clev and we would've had multi assets to improve which is what we needed to do. So were stuck with him and will be forced. By him to over pay for a pro pg either through free agency or trade and it still Wong be near enough

Another dumb Briggs thread. You've been making a bunch of threads lately and a lot of them are about the same thing or player that you've already made threads about so it's hard to keep up.

No you dont give someone a no trade clause. Worse is the Knicks OBVIOUSLY with a shadow of a doubt want to move on from Melo and they are giving him playing next to LBJ and he refuses. Almost EVERY Knick fan wants that deal--but its held up by Senorita Melo and his selfish ways.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is a liability all because of NTC. We cannot view him as an asset. His rate of depreciation is staggering with each passing year. The return rate of his service has diminished as a result of poor numbers and injury history which is starting to pile on. Even if the Knicks were to trade they would be luck to yield a top 5 pick. At best your looking at multiple mid to late round picks for him if he desires a change of scenery.

Melo has the Knicks basically held hostage. He knows he is no longer a top player and he knows the downside has started. Right now he doesn't even desire a championship or a run.

Agree with the first part he is a liability. But you can't trade liabilities unless you do a swap meaning you as acquire other liabilities. Or you can just write them off. We don't have any good options.

Mistake 1 - resigning Melo
MISTAKE 2 - NTC
Mistake 3 - Overpaying by anout 140%

Only the Knicks can make three mistake in one transaction. Huge fail on Dolan/ Phil

so when you remove the liability what is the Knicks record? And with the liability? Do you guys even think before you post? Are you Knick fans?

VMart can you quantify the bold statement? Melo's shot has been off, but this is his best year defensively, he's at his career high for rebounds and is above his career high in assists, oh.. and the team cant win without him on the floor. Kind of makes your liability statement look not so clever.

You guys are like grumpy monkeys. This shiny object isn't fun to play with anymore. You need a new shiny object.

had a feeling fishmike or jrdomc would lead the melo bridgade. Listen I personally have been happy with melo this year and im ok if he stays. However I still feel a trade would be beneficial for both sides. Melo can have a chance to win a title and we can use the picks/assets to continue to build around KP

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Jim Dolan has done the same thing with Carmelo as he did with isiah. He made a terrible trade that hamstrung the team twice once with the original and second with bargain. Now his idiot move to give a ntc has stuck is in the mid with him He could've left for clev and we would've had multi assets to improve which is what we needed to do. So were stuck with him and will be forced. By him to over pay for a pro pg either through free agency or trade and it still Wong be near enough

Another dumb Briggs thread. You've been making a bunch of threads lately and a lot of them are about the same thing or player that you've already made threads about so it's hard to keep up.

No you dont give someone a no trade clause. Worse is the Knicks OBVIOUSLY with a shadow of a doubt want to move on from Melo and they are giving him playing next to LBJ and he refuses. Almost EVERY Knick fan wants that deal--but its held up by Senorita Melo and his selfish ways.

You have ZERO idea on who wants what and who wants who gone or anything that the Knicks or any NBA team is saying or trying to do because you're just a "fan" on a message board who hears a rumor about something from some writer and automatically think that rumor is true. There's a whole lot of lies going around the NBA at this time of year but i guess you don't realize that. Don't believe everything you hear and unless you can provide proof (which you can't) to what you hear then you shouldn't believe it.

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is a liability all because of NTC. We cannot view him as an asset. His rate of depreciation is staggering with each passing year. The return rate of his service has diminished as a result of poor numbers and injury history which is starting to pile on. Even if the Knicks were to trade they would be luck to yield a top 5 pick. At best your looking at multiple mid to late round picks for him if he desires a change of scenery.

Melo has the Knicks basically held hostage. He knows he is no longer a top player and he knows the downside has started. Right now he doesn't even desire a championship or a run.

Agree with the first part he is a liability. But you can't trade liabilities unless you do a swap meaning you as acquire other liabilities. Or you can just write them off. We don't have any good options.

Mistake 1 - resigning Melo
MISTAKE 2 - NTC
Mistake 3 - Overpaying by anout 140%

Only the Knicks can make three mistake in one transaction. Huge fail on Dolan/ Phil

so when you remove the liability what is the Knicks record? And with the liability? Do you guys even think before you post? Are you Knick fans?

VMart can you quantify the bold statement? Melo's shot has been off, but this is his best year defensively, he's at his career high for rebounds and is above his career high in assists, oh.. and the team cant win without him on the floor. Kind of makes your liability statement look not so clever.

You guys are like grumpy monkeys. This shiny object isn't fun to play with anymore. You need a new shiny object.

had a feeling fishmike or jrdomc would lead the melo bridgade. Listen I personally have been happy with melo this year and im ok if he stays. However I still feel a trade would be beneficial for both sides. Melo can have a chance to win a title and we can use the picks/assets to continue to build around KP

Well said and i agree. It's just so annoying how much people cry about crap on here and just look for things to hate on. If it's not Fisher it's Calderon or Melo or Phil or.............................give it a break and stop hating so much. We'd be nowhere without Melo and hating on someone that actually wants to be here and wants to bring this city/team a championship is absolutely ridiculous. If Melo was on another team right now and never played for us and his name was on the trade block i guarantee you the people that are hating on him now would be hoping we could trade for him.

No hating--Id just rather do whats in the best interests for the KNicks. Would I rather have 2 Brooklyn picks David Lee and Jae Crwoder--I mean come on. I might think Id rather have Crwoder than Melo straight up for the longer term than add in the picks and cap space??????

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is a liability all because of NTC. We cannot view him as an asset. His rate of depreciation is staggering with each passing year. The return rate of his service has diminished as a result of poor numbers and injury history which is starting to pile on. Even if the Knicks were to trade they would be luck to yield a top 5 pick. At best your looking at multiple mid to late round picks for him if he desires a change of scenery.

Melo has the Knicks basically held hostage. He knows he is no longer a top player and he knows the downside has started. Right now he doesn't even desire a championship or a run.

Agree with the first part he is a liability. But you can't trade liabilities unless you do a swap meaning you as acquire other liabilities. Or you can just write them off. We don't have any good options.

Mistake 1 - resigning Melo
MISTAKE 2 - NTC
Mistake 3 - Overpaying by anout 140%

Only the Knicks can make three mistake in one transaction. Huge fail on Dolan/ Phil

so when you remove the liability what is the Knicks record? And with the liability? Do you guys even think before you post? Are you Knick fans?

VMart can you quantify the bold statement? Melo's shot has been off, but this is his best year defensively, he's at his career high for rebounds and is above his career high in assists, oh.. and the team cant win without him on the floor. Kind of makes your liability statement look not so clever.

You guys are like grumpy monkeys. This shiny object isn't fun to play with anymore. You need a new shiny object.

had a feeling fishmike or jrdomc would lead the melo bridgade. Listen I personally have been happy with melo this year and im ok if he stays. However I still feel a trade would be beneficial for both sides. Melo can have a chance to win a title and we can use the picks/assets to continue to build around KP

Well said and i agree. It's just so annoying how much people cry about crap on here and just look for things to hate on. If it's not Fisher it's Calderon or Melo or Phil or.............................give it a break and stop hating so much. We'd be nowhere without Melo and hating on someone that actually wants to be here and wants to bring this city/team a championship is absolutely ridiculous. If Melo was on another team right now and never played for us and his name was on the trade block i guarantee you the people that are hating on him now would be hoping we could trade for him.

No hating--Id just rather do whats in the best interests for the KNicks. Would I rather have 2 Brooklyn picks David Lee and Jae Crwoder--I mean come on. I might think Id rather have Crwoder than Melo straight up for the longer term than add in the picks and cap space??????

No hating? I call bull****. What's the señorita crap about?

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Jim Dolan has done the same thing with Carmelo as he did with isiah. He made a terrible trade that hamstrung the team twice once with the original and second with bargain. Now his idiot move to give a ntc has stuck is in the mid with him He could've left for clev and we would've had multi assets to improve which is what we needed to do. So were stuck with him and will be forced. By him to over pay for a pro pg either through free agency or trade and it still Wong be near enough

Assets??? your going to give a player a max contract and then trade him a yr later (if he didn't have the NTC)how assinine would that look.

You act as if Melo is a overrated, or a bad influence..relax brigg

more of the same from the same posters over and over and over. At least Guns cant write about his concerns regarding any young players developing.

Lets recap this thread:
Knicks cant win a game without Melo, but he's a liability.
Melo's play is dropping at an incredible rate, but he's at career highs in rebounding and assists and defense.

Am I missing anything?

I actually have no problem trading Melo either. His health is a factor as is his age. I do think (especially after seeing the changes in his game this year) that he can be a highly effective player as he gets older (*IF* he is healthy). Also look at KP's confidence when Melo is on the floor. Melo has a very positive influence on this team on the court and off. That's just using one's eyes. Liability. Wow.

Those two have a special chemistry that can't be ignored.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, this was another case of bidding against ourselves. Giving him $30 mil more than any other team wasn't enough?! We had to include the NTC too. Jeez.

it wanst $30mm more. It was the extra year because he was already here. Allan Houston was bidding against ourselves. Melo had max contract offers (Lakers/Rockets) and the Bulls option to mull as well. Jeez

+1 Fish! Anybody talking about the contract after last year's FA spending and the cap going up again is clearly delusional. Contract is not a huge issue.