If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

Vmart wrote:Melo is way more powerful than Phil. He holds the NTC and he has the ability to take the Knicks down with his play and his words. He is talking about coaches, recruiting and black books at the expense of the team. He is throwing his teammates under the bus and he doesn't even know he is doing it.

If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is way more powerful than Phil. He holds the NTC and he has the ability to take the Knicks down with his play and his words. He is talking about coaches, recruiting and black books at the expense of the team. He is throwing his teammates under the bus and he doesn't even know he is doing it.

If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

How so? If he says "I hope we return with these same guys and go to war" he's an idiot. Scott Layden did that remember? "We really like our team" as they were in last place and the Nets were going to B2B finals. There is no corporate sensitivity training here. Its pro sports. Put up or shut up. Show me a quote from a player who is glad to be away from playing on Melo's team.

His job is to play basketball. Let Phil do his job of recruiting and deciding who the coach is going to be. Melo needs to be a basketball player first and last. When he retired he can become GM and get the players and coaches right now it's Phil's job.

It's not his duty to be talking about who is going to be on the Team. It's his job to contribute to the team no matter who the players are. All these I'm going to recruit and call from the black book are a bunch useles rants about the players.

I never heard Bernard King say stupid crap like Melo does and Bernard played with very average players in his time with the Knicks. Ewing never felt the need to be the GM he went into battle with his given hand and never complained a bit. Never said I'm gonna recruit this is the BS of his generation of basketball. They never look at themselves in the mirror and see the man standing on the other side. It's everyone it never him.

What you see is not leadership a leader no matter what doesn't go around saying I'm gonna recruit he certainly doesn't do it in the open as the best player he has a responsibility to his teammates and continue to bring out the best in his teammates no matter their talent level.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is way more powerful than Phil. He holds the NTC and he has the ability to take the Knicks down with his play and his words. He is talking about coaches, recruiting and black books at the expense of the team. He is throwing his teammates under the bus and he doesn't even know he is doing it.

If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

How so? If he says "I hope we return with these same guys and go to war" he's an idiot. Scott Layden did that remember? "We really like our team" as they were in last place and the Nets were going to B2B finals. There is no corporate sensitivity training here. Its pro sports. Put up or shut up. Show me a quote from a player who is glad to be away from playing on Melo's team.

His job is to play basketball. Let Phil do his job of recruiting and deciding who the coach is going to be. Melo needs to be a basketball player first and last. When he retired he can become GM and get the players and coaches right now it's Phil's job.

It's not his duty to be talking about who is going to be on the Team. It's his job to contribute to the team no matter who the players are. All these I'm going to recruit and call from the black book are a bunch useles rants about the players.

I never heard Bernard King say stupid crap like Melo does and Bernard played with very average players in his time with the Knicks. Ewing never felt the need to be the GM he went into battle with his given hand and never complained a bit. Never said I'm gonna recruit this is the BS of his generation of basketball. They never look at themselves in the mirror and see the man standing on the other side. It's everyone it never him.

What you see is not leadership a leader no matter what doesn't go around saying I'm gonna recruit he certainly doesn't do it in the open as the best player he has a responsibility to his teammates and continue to bring out the best in his teammates no matter their talent level.

your right that didn't happen back then but now its the norm. Lebron is the best player of this generation and he has set the precedent for this. Melo is one of many. Melo is also held accountable and criticized on this board for NOT recruiting and "nobody wants to play with this guy" is a regular argument around here. So as usual its damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Melo's job is to play basketball? He leads his team in points, assists, rebounds and minutes. He's not doing his job? His job is to lead? If you think he hasn't done that you haven't paid attention. He organized team workouts before the season. He organized team building get togethers before the season. He did everything he could have to get this team off to a good start and they did. Ultimately the problem is there is a lack of talent. Sorry if it offends but the age of pretending everything is OK is over. That's just not how the world works anymore. Bernard King didn't play in this era with the media and social media and ESPN so that has no bearing.

Fish, I like Melo I still wish he would shoot 50% fgs. But that is not what concerns me what concerns me is more his negative yapping. He says nothing positive this team was good enough to play 500 ball for the first 50 games. What changed? You want to call it his injury okay. But the talent was good enough to play 500 now the talent isn't good enough. Once he started losing he starts talking about recruiting instead of motivating and leading. Those comments made are negative comments about his teammates and you quickly find that in any team setting it has an effect on the teammates.

Back in the day they had newspapers and they did interviews I agree it was a different time. Melo is a damn good player sad part is he damn terrible interview.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is way more powerful than Phil. He holds the NTC and he has the ability to take the Knicks down with his play and his words. He is talking about coaches, recruiting and black books at the expense of the team. He is throwing his teammates under the bus and he doesn't even know he is doing it.

If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

How so? If he says "I hope we return with these same guys and go to war" he's an idiot. Scott Layden did that remember? "We really like our team" as they were in last place and the Nets were going to B2B finals. There is no corporate sensitivity training here. Its pro sports. Put up or shut up. Show me a quote from a player who is glad to be away from playing on Melo's team.

His job is to play basketball. Let Phil do his job of recruiting and deciding who the coach is going to be. Melo needs to be a basketball player first and last. When he retired he can become GM and get the players and coaches right now it's Phil's job.

It's not his duty to be talking about who is going to be on the Team. It's his job to contribute to the team no matter who the players are. All these I'm going to recruit and call from the black book are a bunch useles rants about the players.

I never heard Bernard King say stupid crap like Melo does and Bernard played with very average players in his time with the Knicks. Ewing never felt the need to be the GM he went into battle with his given hand and never complained a bit. Never said I'm gonna recruit this is the BS of his generation of basketball. They never look at themselves in the mirror and see the man standing on the other side. It's everyone it never him.

What you see is not leadership a leader no matter what doesn't go around saying I'm gonna recruit he certainly doesn't do it in the open as the best player he has a responsibility to his teammates and continue to bring out the best in his teammates no matter their talent level.

your right that didn't happen back then but now its the norm. Lebron is the best player of this generation and he has set the precedent for this. Melo is one of many. Melo is also held accountable and criticized on this board for NOT recruiting and "nobody wants to play with this guy" is a regular argument around here. So as usual its damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Melo's job is to play basketball? He leads his team in points, assists, rebounds and minutes. He's not doing his job? His job is to lead? If you think he hasn't done that you haven't paid attention. He organized team workouts before the season. He organized team building get togethers before the season. He did everything he could have to get this team off to a good start and they did. Ultimately the problem is there is a lack of talent. Sorry if it offends but the age of pretending everything is OK is over. That's just not how the world works anymore. Bernard King didn't play in this era with the media and social media and ESPN so that has no bearing.

But Fish, I keep reading everywhere on this board that Jesus KP who shot 1-11 last night (and did little else) and the great invisible draft picks of the future are going to just lead us to the promised land in 5 years!!!

I really think all we have to do is get rid of the statistical leader of this team and everything will be perfect, once Steph Curry retires.

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is way more powerful than Phil. He holds the NTC and he has the ability to take the Knicks down with his play and his words. He is talking about coaches, recruiting and black books at the expense of the team. He is throwing his teammates under the bus and he doesn't even know he is doing it.

If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

How so? If he says "I hope we return with these same guys and go to war" he's an idiot. Scott Layden did that remember? "We really like our team" as they were in last place and the Nets were going to B2B finals. There is no corporate sensitivity training here. Its pro sports. Put up or shut up. Show me a quote from a player who is glad to be away from playing on Melo's team.

His job is to play basketball. Let Phil do his job of recruiting and deciding who the coach is going to be. Melo needs to be a basketball player first and last. When he retired he can become GM and get the players and coaches right now it's Phil's job.

It's not his duty to be talking about who is going to be on the Team. It's his job to contribute to the team no matter who the players are. All these I'm going to recruit and call from the black book are a bunch useles rants about the players.

I never heard Bernard King say stupid crap like Melo does and Bernard played with very average players in his time with the Knicks. Ewing never felt the need to be the GM he went into battle with his given hand and never complained a bit. Never said I'm gonna recruit this is the BS of his generation of basketball. They never look at themselves in the mirror and see the man standing on the other side. It's everyone it never him.

What you see is not leadership a leader no matter what doesn't go around saying I'm gonna recruit he certainly doesn't do it in the open as the best player he has a responsibility to his teammates and continue to bring out the best in his teammates no matter their talent level.

your right that didn't happen back then but now its the norm. Lebron is the best player of this generation and he has set the precedent for this. Melo is one of many. Melo is also held accountable and criticized on this board for NOT recruiting and "nobody wants to play with this guy" is a regular argument around here. So as usual its damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Melo's job is to play basketball? He leads his team in points, assists, rebounds and minutes. He's not doing his job? His job is to lead? If you think he hasn't done that you haven't paid attention. He organized team workouts before the season. He organized team building get togethers before the season. He did everything he could have to get this team off to a good start and they did. Ultimately the problem is there is a lack of talent. Sorry if it offends but the age of pretending everything is OK is over. That's just not how the world works anymore. Bernard King didn't play in this era with the media and social media and ESPN so that has no bearing.

But Fish, I keep reading everywhere on this board that Jesus KP who shot 1-11 last night (and did little else) and the great invisible draft picks of the future are going to just lead us to the promised land in 5 years!!!

I really think all we have to do is get rid of the statistical leader of this team and everything will be perfect, once Steph Curry retires.

You have a better plan? That's as sound a plan as any. Sustainable, grow your building blocks, and you'll have a cap space.

And don't tell me it involves Melo and a certain black book recruiting Lebron, Durant, and Steph Curry here in the next 2 years.

And what exactly draws people to your cap space? Invisible fairies? The way the fanbase here treats their starphucques? Our glorious NY media? The tremendous attraction of tanking for two or three or five years hoping to hit the lottery just right? The possibility of shooting yourself at the club? Jimmy Dolan?

WHEN PHILLY ISN'T A CLUSTER FUHUCK ANYMORE, THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR SUSTAINABLE CORE OF BUILDING BLOCKS.

This is a league of stars. You either understand that or you don't.
We've managed to draft right once in the last 30 years. That's this franchise's ugly truth. You keep on hopin and dreamin.

Sustain what, exactly? Tanking year after year to make sure you're not MEDIOCRE? So one of the best plans is to just SUHUCK AZZ for as long as it takes to draft a Duncan, a Lebron, a Curry...

"I don't wipe, I just squat and let the crumbs fall where they may..."

Knixkik wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo is way more powerful than Phil. He holds the NTC and he has the ability to take the Knicks down with his play and his words. He is talking about coaches, recruiting and black books at the expense of the team. He is throwing his teammates under the bus and he doesn't even know he is doing it.

If Phil wants to coach home games then he should coach home games it's not like Melo is gonna win us a championship. Melo needs to stop talking think he is some sort of winner who has won championships.

Yeah Melo is the more powerful the NTC give him the power over Phil and even Dolan.

How so? If he says "I hope we return with these same guys and go to war" he's an idiot. Scott Layden did that remember? "We really like our team" as they were in last place and the Nets were going to B2B finals. There is no corporate sensitivity training here. Its pro sports. Put up or shut up. Show me a quote from a player who is glad to be away from playing on Melo's team.

His job is to play basketball. Let Phil do his job of recruiting and deciding who the coach is going to be. Melo needs to be a basketball player first and last. When he retired he can become GM and get the players and coaches right now it's Phil's job.

It's not his duty to be talking about who is going to be on the Team. It's his job to contribute to the team no matter who the players are. All these I'm going to recruit and call from the black book are a bunch useles rants about the players.

I never heard Bernard King say stupid crap like Melo does and Bernard played with very average players in his time with the Knicks. Ewing never felt the need to be the GM he went into battle with his given hand and never complained a bit. Never said I'm gonna recruit this is the BS of his generation of basketball. They never look at themselves in the mirror and see the man standing on the other side. It's everyone it never him.

What you see is not leadership a leader no matter what doesn't go around saying I'm gonna recruit he certainly doesn't do it in the open as the best player he has a responsibility to his teammates and continue to bring out the best in his teammates no matter their talent level.

your right that didn't happen back then but now its the norm. Lebron is the best player of this generation and he has set the precedent for this. Melo is one of many. Melo is also held accountable and criticized on this board for NOT recruiting and "nobody wants to play with this guy" is a regular argument around here. So as usual its damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Melo's job is to play basketball? He leads his team in points, assists, rebounds and minutes. He's not doing his job? His job is to lead? If you think he hasn't done that you haven't paid attention. He organized team workouts before the season. He organized team building get togethers before the season. He did everything he could have to get this team off to a good start and they did. Ultimately the problem is there is a lack of talent. Sorry if it offends but the age of pretending everything is OK is over. That's just not how the world works anymore. Bernard King didn't play in this era with the media and social media and ESPN so that has no bearing.

But Fish, I keep reading everywhere on this board that Jesus KP who shot 1-11 last night (and did little else) and the great invisible draft picks of the future are going to just lead us to the promised land in 5 years!!!

I really think all we have to do is get rid of the statistical leader of this team and everything will be perfect, once Steph Curry retires.

You have a better plan? That's as sound a plan as any. Sustainable, grow your building blocks, and you'll have a cap space.

And don't tell me it involves Melo and a certain black book recruiting Lebron, Durant, and Steph Curry here in the next 2 years.

And what exactly draws people to your cap space? Invisible fairies? The way the fanbase here treats their starphucques? Our glorious NY media? The tremendous attraction of tanking for two or three or five years hoping to hit the lottery just right? The possibility of shooting yourself at the club? Jimmy Dolan?

WHEN PHILLY ISN'T A CLUSTER FUHUCK ANYMORE, THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR SUSTAINABLE CORE OF BUILDING BLOCKS.

This is a league of stars. You either understand that or you don't.
We've managed to draft right once in the last 30 years. That's this franchise's ugly truth. You keep on hopin and dreamin.

Sustain what, exactly? Tanking year after year to make sure you're not MEDIOCRE? So one of the best plans is to just SUHUCK AZZ for as long as it takes to draft a Duncan, a Lebron, a Curry...

"I don't wipe, I just squat and let the crumbs fall where they may..."

Agreed about the stars league. And it's incredibly hard to build thru the draft. We got lucky with KP. We may not get that lucky again for another 30 years or more. Bottom line is when you are a big market franchise, you have a much greater chance of finding a star (and building) thru free agency than thru the draft, although both are difficult.

I think New York market advantages are complicated. We get used as a bargaining chip in negotiations that benefit other teams, plus pitfalls like our media, taxes and other distractions, particularly as a place for the diaper dandies to develop. Same time, I think we can be a great draw for international players like KP, Shved, Gallinari who really want to be here... especially since a lot of them have pro experience before getting here. Not that I want us to favor internationals vs US players, but I wonder if that can be a way to capitalize on our world city status instead of being also-rans to Florida and Texas.