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2/14/2016  2:20 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

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2/14/2016  2:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

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2/14/2016  3:12 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish


Calderon would've had a winning career if stuck to coming off the bench as a backup ..
As a career starter Calderon teams didn't do well

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2/14/2016  5:05 PM
Its nonsense to mention teammates Grant n Gallo to be NBA PG starters on any team in their rookie season.
There are only 5 PG that were legit starters in their rookie season in the past 2 decades.
Sasha is not a PG or a starter in his career. Afflalo is not a PG or starter in his career.
Plus Fishers 3 guard offense lineups with Melo n KP playing like wing players gave up to many points to our opponents this season .. it was a Joke lineup, especially as crunch-time closers.

We should've known something when Phil Jackson believe tier-2 Calderon were a better starter PG than tier-2 Felton, we had a 17 win season! Plus Phil not adding another experience tier-2 PG to go in the rotation with Calderon!
It was Phil Jackson who did not get us 1 legit experience starter PG in the trades of Tyson Chandler, or Shumpert, Felton, JRsmith.

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2/14/2016  6:04 PM
Kemet wrote:Its nonsense to mention teammates Grant n Gallo to be NBA PG starters on any team in their rookie season.
There are only 5 PG that were legit starters in their rookie season in the past 2 decades.
Sasha is not a PG or a starter in his career. Afflalo is not a PG or starter in his career.
Plus Fishers 3 guard offense lineups with Melo n KP playing like wing players gave up to many points to our opponents this season .. it was a Joke lineup, especially as crunch-time closers.

We should've known something when Phil Jackson believe tier-2 Calderon were a better starter PG than tier-2 Felton, we had a 17 win season! Plus Phil not adding another experience tier-2 PG to go in the rotation with Calderon!
It was Phil Jackson who did not get us 1 legit experience starter PG in the trades of Tyson Chandler, or Shumpert, Felton, JRsmith.

You forget about Schved. If the Knicks have made one egregious error it was not resigning Schved. And that fact is why panic is unnecessary. Schved was almost out of the league. What the Knicks organization needs to do is to locate a player or two along the lines of Schved, Gallo, Amundson.

Those are the kinds of trades we are plenty equipped to make although given the toxicity of so many players around the league, we may liming everything went well. We still have a chance, thin as it may be to make it.

IMO, it will require some changes. We know who we think should get swapped out but who comes in may shock us all.

That said. Gallo and Grant are young to the NBA, they need a couple of more years to be really consistent and experienced - you all know this. Phil can't wave a magic wand and make that accelerate. This isn't a matter of being patient, this is a matter of enjoying the ride and that ride is a two or three year ride, not an overnight turnaround.

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2/14/2016  6:28 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/15/2016  12:11 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

I'm not surprised that you would say something like this.....SMDH.

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2/15/2016  12:57 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

I'm not surprised that you would say something like this.....SMDH.

Didn't you say the same thing when I vehemently rejected Fisher??? Where is he now????

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/15/2016  12:58 PM
I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries. We were winning with exactly what we have now. It's really not going to take a major influx of talent in order to get this team over the top in these close games they've been losing. They need enough talent to make the margin for error wider and not so razor thin. They can't win now cuz they don't have enough fire power to get easy scores or to at least defend the many PG's that have been destroying our guards during this losing streak. They all have had big 4th qtr performances against our guards. Whether it's Ish Smith, John, Wall, CP3, Reggie Jackson, Isaiah Thomas, Emanuel Mudiay, Kemba Walker... They all bashed our heads in to get the win in the 4th qtr.
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2/15/2016  1:21 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

I'm not surprised that you would say something like this.....SMDH.

Didn't you say the same thing when I vehemently rejected Fisher??? Where is he now????

You are clearly vying, along with Briggsy, to replace Phil Jackson.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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2/15/2016  1:25 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

I'm not surprised that you would say something like this.....SMDH.

Didn't you say the same thing when I vehemently rejected Fisher??? Where is he now????

You are clearly vying, along with Briggsy, to replace Phil Jackson.

Replace Phil? Hell no dude. I want Phil to remain as our President. I just want Jose to go; I have been calling for that since last year

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/15/2016  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2016  1:35 PM
nixluva wrote:I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries.
We were winning with exactly what we have now.
Yes, it's a real shame.

But I now think that this was only, say, 50% of the problem.

The other 50% was that Fisher had some character issues that finally, in the stress of the situation, overwhelmed him and the team.

I'm pretty annoyed with Fisher for that . . . because the development of the team was unfolding as an almost best-case-scenario in Triangle Culture terms.

Damn.

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2/15/2016  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/15/2016  1:37 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

I'm not surprised that you would say something like this.....SMDH.

Didn't you say the same thing when I vehemently rejected Fisher??? Where is he now????

You are clearly vying, along with Briggsy, to replace Phil Jackson.

Replace Phil? Hell no dude. I want Phil to remain as our President. I just want Jose to go; I have been calling for that since last year


I'm pretty sure everyone on this board would like him and his $7.7 million off the books but it would be nice to have his replacement on the team before we get rid of our best point guard. I have a feeling that Phil will be and is trying hard to move Calderon by this deadline whether we have his replacement or not to clear up as much cap space as possible for the off season.
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2/15/2016  2:09 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.

All those who always jump on me for asking of him to be replaced in the starting 5. Many on here claim that he is the best on the roster to set up others. I venture to say that it is rubbish

dude martin is right, it's not that anyone is jumping on you, we don't have anything remotely better then calderone, i mean no one. Grant can't shoot, sasha can't shoot, and galloway is more of a 6th man. He doesnt turn the ball over, and he's shooting 41% from down town, and 47% overall. The rest of our guards are no even close.


Alo he second on the team in steals, grant gets beat just as much as he does, and sashas useless except for a few meaningless 3's. So while we would all love to get a good deal for calderone, or get some other pg better, the fact of the matter is, Phil clearly hasn't seen enough to bring jimmer in for a 10 day because he plays zero defense of any kind, and isn't an above avg rebounder (those are the things that got golloway called up), and scoring is not what this offense needs.

You should realize this when you saw a guy like thansis, (who can't shoot a lick0 got called up ahead of jimmer the scorer.

Oh my goodness what will 69 do with his buddy telling him the truth cause he doesn't like to hear from anyone else??

As far as I am concerned, we could be a better team playing 4 on 5 minus Calderon. Dude is so bad, he takes down the entire team. My choice is to play anyone other than Jose as a starter

I'm not surprised that you would say something like this.....SMDH.

Didn't you say the same thing when I vehemently rejected Fisher??? Where is he now????

You are clearly vying, along with Briggsy, to replace Phil Jackson.

Replace Phil? Hell no dude. I want Phil to remain as our President. I just want Jose to go; I have been calling for that since last year


I'm pretty sure everyone on this board would like him and his $7.7 million off the books but it would be nice to have his replacement on the team before we get rid of our best point guard. I have a feeling that Phil will be and is trying hard to move Calderon by this deadline whether we have his replacement or not to clear up as much cap space as possible for the off season.

This is where you and I will once again differ; Jose and BEST don't go together IMO. I am praying that he is gone by today so you and me can stop arguing with one another

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/15/2016  2:47 PM
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries.
We were winning with exactly what we have now.
Yes, it's a real shame.

But I now think that this was only, say, 50% of the problem.

The other 50% was that Fisher had some character issues that finally, in the stress of the situation, overwhelmed him and the team.

I'm pretty annoyed with Fisher for that . . . because the development of the team was unfolding as an almost best-case-scenario in Triangle Culture terms.

Damn.

I agree. Its funny because my impression was that one of Fisher's strengths was his character.
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2/15/2016  3:12 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries.
We were winning with exactly what we have now.
Yes, it's a real shame.

But I now think that this was only, say, 50% of the problem.

The other 50% was that Fisher had some character issues that finally, in the stress of the situation, overwhelmed him and the team.

I'm pretty annoyed with Fisher for that . . . because the development of the team was unfolding as an almost best-case-scenario in Triangle Culture terms.

Damn.

I agree. Its funny because my impression was that one of Fisher's strengths was his character.

It seems Fish just wasn't the man he tried to portray himself to be. Once you start losing then any of the negative stuff becomes less tolerable to accept. Seems like Phil wasn't happy with a lot of the things Fish was doing in his personal life and in dealing with his assistant coaches etc. The losing just made it easier for Phil to cut the cord. As long as the team was playing well and seeming to improve then Phil was probably willing to put up with the Fish issues but once they were losing like that it was time to end it. If the team had continued to play well and get above .500 Fish still has his job. The pressure of losing simply exposed the issues and it was probably a good thing that it happened now rather than continue to be covered up by the team playing well.
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2/15/2016  4:12 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries.
We were winning with exactly what we have now.
Yes, it's a real shame.

But I now think that this was only, say, 50% of the problem.

The other 50% was that Fisher had some character issues that finally, in the stress of the situation, overwhelmed him and the team.

I'm pretty annoyed with Fisher for that . . . because the development of the team was unfolding as an almost best-case-scenario in Triangle Culture terms.

Damn.

I agree. Its funny because my impression was that one of Fisher's strengths was his character.

It seems Fish just wasn't the man he tried to portray himself to be. Once you start losing then any of the negative stuff becomes less tolerable to accept. Seems like Phil wasn't happy with a lot of the things Fish was doing in his personal life and in dealing with his assistant coaches etc. The losing just made it easier for Phil to cut the cord. As long as the team was playing well and seeming to improve then Phil was probably willing to put up with the Fish issues but once they were losing like that it was time to end it. If the team had continued to play well and get above .500 Fish still has his job. The pressure of losing simply exposed the issues and it was probably a good thing that it happened now rather than continue to be covered up by the team playing well.

That dude fisher was a fraud. He was preaching team unity when he was the main divider. How and why would you create segregation amongst the coaches????

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/15/2016  6:46 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries.
We were winning with exactly what we have now.
Yes, it's a real shame.

But I now think that this was only, say, 50% of the problem.

The other 50% was that Fisher had some character issues that finally, in the stress of the situation, overwhelmed him and the team.

I'm pretty annoyed with Fisher for that . . . because the development of the team was unfolding as an almost best-case-scenario in Triangle Culture terms.

Damn.

I agree. Its funny because my impression was that one of Fisher's strengths was his character.

We all hate the hypocrite or the fallen preacher.

Also, the Anthony/ref incident was a season killer...at this point anyway. Amazing how such a small misstep could change the fortune of the team.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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2/15/2016  7:14 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:I just have to keep going back to the fact that this team was on a roll and then Melo trips on the ref and the dominos started to fall with injuries.
We were winning with exactly what we have now.
Yes, it's a real shame.

But I now think that this was only, say, 50% of the problem.

The other 50% was that Fisher had some character issues that finally, in the stress of the situation, overwhelmed him and the team.

I'm pretty annoyed with Fisher for that . . . because the development of the team was unfolding as an almost best-case-scenario in Triangle Culture terms.

Damn.

I agree. Its funny because my impression was that one of Fisher's strengths was his character.

We all hate the hypocrite or the fallen preacher.

Also, the Anthony/ref incident was a season killer...at this point anyway. Amazing how such a small misstep could change the fortune of the team.

Anthony reference?????

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/15/2016  7:17 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
martin wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks always want to set themselves up for failure. The easiest thing in the world to do is to trade or stretch out Caldera who happens to be the main source of our problems. I know some of you are in love with this dude, but you all need to check yourselves. Terrible defender, doesn't set the offense as proclaimed, and is not giving jack doodoo on offense. Get rid of that fool and put a DLeaguer in that spot, we will be relevant again. When teams know they will face the Knicks, they salivate over the idea of attacking our back court,because they will find no resistance

This is an utterly stupid statement and deserves an apology to everyone here on the board. Name 1 person who is in love with Jose. Just one.

Until then pretty much everything you say is not taken seriously.


I find myself to be drawn to Jose...has a scruffy manly gunslinger look that appeals to me. Could you call this attraction "love," I just don't know.

Maybe you could call it Kevin?

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