newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The problem with Thibs is that Dolan hates him because he was Frank Isola's source for years and had an ugly exit. Dolan would have a hard time okaying it. Phil Jackson also hates Van Gundy and Thibs is from the JVG/Riley tree.

Also, I have heard rumors/speculation that Thibs wants control of personnel like SVG.

All of these things could be true or just rumors or exaggerations. It's just good to know that one critical criteria is a check in the box for Thibs.

We of course still have to see how things end this season and after that you could have a coach search and interviews. If Walton doesn't want the job then it's a good thing that Thibs could go into his interview and talk shop with Phil about the Triangle and system ball in general and i'm sure Phil would be impressed by that.

No, it's not really a rumor about Dolan hating Thibs. It's pretty well known.

Did you see Phil's reaction when he was asked about Thibs? He practically hissed.

I want Thibs and think it's the right basketball move. But the politics of MSG make it tough.

Why would Thibs want the Knicks job so badly and would take the Knicks job if he knows the owner (J.Dolan) hates him so much??

Maybe he doesn't hold grudges the way Dolan does? I dunno. I hope Dolan would be able to move past his prejudices and see what is best from a basketball stand point. Same with Phil. We shall see.

Clean wrote:So that is how the triangle looks when ran by a good coach with good players. I love all the movement that Thibs had his players doing to disguise that they were running the triangle. My number 1 pet peeve with the Knicks is that everyone goes straight to the triangle. Teams then know what to expect and they counter it easy. I was also amazed at all the drives to the hoop I seen in that video. It means that the system is not what is wrong with the Knicks and their lack of drives but it is the players.

Knicks don't have anywhere near the level of creativity the Chicago guards had. Though Thibs worked with Rose, Butler, Hinrich on implementing the Triangle into their game. Imagine him working with Galloway and Grant? Oy vey. It'd almost be too good to be true.

If Phil goes there, major ups to him.

Doubt he will though.

nixluva wrote:Just watched a great video by Coach Daniel NICK on how Thibs quietly ran the Triangle for years in Chicago and no one talked about it.
This could be a very positive development if Phil gets to talking with Thibs and his people.

Thanks for this Nix. After watching this video it makes me want Thibs and J.Noah next year. J.Noah was a big part in a lot of those plays with his passing to P.Gasol coming inside and i could see Noah doing that with KP.

ChuckBuck wrote:At this point, phuck the triangle.

Tried it for 2 years with a supposed disciple, and he tried to veer away from it anyways. It's one of the reasons PJax and Fisher didn't see eye to eye, is due to Fisher trying to expand beyond the triangle sets. That and Fisher-man's obvious stick laying on all his players wives and girlfriends.

Thibs is the best coach available right now. That's why he should be the pick. Gets maximum usage and potential out of his players and demands respect. Need an anti-Fisher who's a joke of a person and a coach. Someone who's hard nosed X and O's, and will get up in yo ass if you slack.

Ball is in Phil's court...

Fish got fired cuz the team wasn't winning!!! It had little to do with the tweak of the Triangle despite Phil mentioning that. If Fish had a .500 or winning record Phil would not have fired him. Given the other issues Fish had its a good thing he's not here anymore. It seems there were a lot of side issues with Fish so moving on is best for everyone.

Thibs knowing and running the Triangle is a plus for him if and when he does talk to Phil. It's clearly important and knowing Thibs used it is a great development.

callmened wrote:none of this matters if phil only wants HIS coaches. he hates the van gundys and anyone close to them

Now it doesn't prove that he's the right coach for this team but I'm sure in Phil's mind he believes in Rambis enough to give him the benefit of the doubt. As I've said before Rambis was already named Associate Head Coach by Phil, which should've been a signal to Fish that he should have him right next to him on the bench.

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:At this point, phuck the triangle.

Tried it for 2 years with a supposed disciple, and he tried to veer away from it anyways. It's one of the reasons PJax and Fisher didn't see eye to eye, is due to Fisher trying to expand beyond the triangle sets. That and Fisher-man's obvious stick laying on all his players wives and girlfriends.

Thibs is the best coach available right now. That's why he should be the pick. Gets maximum usage and potential out of his players and demands respect. Need an anti-Fisher who's a joke of a person and a coach. Someone who's hard nosed X and O's, and will get up in yo ass if you slack.

Ball is in Phil's court...

2 years? Has it been 2 years? With a set group of guys?

All I know is in the game against Boston where the ref had nearly derailed the Knicks' season, the triangle was a thing of beauty, against a team that is fairly good defensively. And it wasn't just because shots were falling, although that certainly helped. It was because the ball was moving and finding players in position to score in an easy fashion.

Was that luck? Was that things finally clicking? Was that an anomaly?

I didn't think so. I thought it was just terrible timing with the Melo and ref.

BUT - if that's the case, why did Fisher get fired?

Something doesn't add up.

I sort of wonder if Dolan got pissed about the losing and Fisher talking about not making the playoffs and Barnes coming into MSG and shooting Fisher dirty looks.

That would make more sense to me than Phil deciding to pull the plug because their best stretch of the season was derailed by Melo, Jose, Lance all getting injured over a ten game stretch.