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ESPN's Windhorst: Fisher may have been involved with ex-Knicks Tim Hardaway's GF as well
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ChuckBuck
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2/11/2016  4:41 PM
Looks like Fisher-man wanted to sink his fishing rod in other dude's fishing holes.

Timmy Jr chica and I hear even Cleanthony Early's piece!!!

“Phil [Jackson] failed to tell him that when you become a coach you have to move your dating sites up to the executive level,” Brian Windhorst laughed in response. “I mean I’m making a joke, but it’s also the truth. It’s now Tinder pro.” After some more discussion about Barnes and Fisher, Windhorst chimed back in: “Correct me if I’m wrong, Kevin [Arnovitz], but Tim Hardaway Jr. had to go on the record to discuss whether he and Derek Fisher were involved with the same woman. I’m fairly certain he had to go on the record and said he had to deal with that. So it wasn’t just Matt Barnes.”


As far as we can tell, if there was indeed a situation between Hardaway and Fisher, it never bubbled over publicly. During the Barnes fiasco, there was an offhand allusion to rumors of a love triangle involving Hardaway and Fisher (and one involving Fisher and Cleanthony Early) on a small web site called Sneaker Mob, and a few offhand tweets. There were plenty of stories last season about Hardaway Jr.’s being in Fisher’s doghouse on the court (here, here, here), but that’s not altogether uncommon for a young player. Hardaway was traded to Atlanta this offseason.

Scumbag of the highest magnitude...Barnes was indeed justified kicking his ass. Man, imagine he got a taste of LaLa's honey nut cheerios...it'd be first degree coach murder by Melo, not just a firing.

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2/11/2016  4:42 PM

Not sure if there is anything to this but just that his behavior allows it to go there indicates he needed to be let go.
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2/11/2016  4:45 PM
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crzymdups wrote:In hindsight - remember Melo tweeted very voiciferously when Timmy was traded? He said things like "goodbye brother"? Siding with Timmy over Fisher?

Remember Melo sat out both Memphis games?

Maybe Melo was really not on board with Fisher one bit.

hard to say... he didnt seem happy or even apathetic about the Fisher firing, in fact he seemed irritated. Interesting set of circumstances though

Any way you slice it, the Fisher firing reads as a setback to the building narrative that Phil and Melo seemed interested in creating for this season. I can't imagine Phil or Melo were very happy about any of this. Something must have become untenable for it to reach this point.

I sort of feel like some behind the scenes stuff led to this moreso than the losing streak. I think the behind the scenes stuff may have also had a hand in the losing streak...

well there is upside... Melo improved, KP's game growing, Lance blossoming, DWill being an effective player... there are some positives to this season, and if you consider that Fisher may have been part of the problem than maybe this helps. Who knows.

I have no faith in Rambis. I mean did you hear his press conference? I honestly thought he was stoned. Now I was stoned, but I think he was more stoned. Hope I am wrong and he does well, but Im not inspired by him.

Same here.

I will be fully back on board with Phil if he hires Thibodeau. That is the clear best move for the team.

There are other good options - but it's time to search outside the Triangle tree of inexperienced coaches.

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2/11/2016  4:46 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Not sure if there is anything to this but just that his behavior allows it to go there indicates he needed to be let go.

Thank God Phil left Jeanie back in L.A.

Could imagine the Zen warrior applying advances pinch post zen cuts to Fisher-man's jugular.

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2/11/2016  4:48 PM
crzymdups wrote:In hindsight - remember Melo tweeted very voiciferously when Timmy was traded? He said things like "goodbye brother"? Siding with Timmy over Fisher?

Remember Melo sat out both Memphis games?

Maybe Melo was really not on board with Fisher one bit.

Barnes did say some Knicks players sympathized with him

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/11/2016  4:48 PM
If Fish was messing around with Cle, too, it sort of explains his rocky development. Jesus, what a mess.

Well, I'll be interested to see Cle get a shot without Fish going behind his back

Hope we don't find out Fish shot Cle, too.

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2/11/2016  4:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2016  4:50 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:In hindsight - remember Melo tweeted very voiciferously when Timmy was traded? He said things like "goodbye brother"? Siding with Timmy over Fisher?

Remember Melo sat out both Memphis games?

Maybe Melo was really not on board with Fisher one bit.

Barnes did say some Knicks players sympathized with him

I mean, if Fisher was doing this crap last year with players on his own roster, I could see Melo being pissed and maybe siding with Barnes. Or maybe just not wanting to be on the floor in those games so Barnes could take a cheap shot at him to get back at Fisher.

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2/11/2016  4:53 PM
crzymdups wrote:If Fish was messing around with Cle, too, it sort of explains his rocky development. Jesus, what a mess.

Well, I'll be interested to see Cle get a shot without Fish going behind his back

Hope we don't find out Fish shot Cle, too.


I tried to find more information on that and came across a conversation where someone said to ask Tommy Beer about it. Not sure if there is anything to it but Fisher opens himself up to this type of speculation if with the Barnes and Hardaway stuff.
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2/11/2016  4:54 PM
...on a small web site called Sneaker Mob, and a few offhand tweets

This is what we are going by? Geeze.

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2/11/2016  4:56 PM
Andrew wrote:
...on a small web site called Sneaker Mob, and a few offhand tweets

This is what we are going by? Geeze.

If you listen to the podcast, Windhorst had more official information. He said Hardaway had to talk to the league about dating the same woman Fisher did. I'm not sure if that had to do with the Barnes situation or something else. It's in the podcast.

Fisher has opened himself up to a lot of this speculation with his behavior.

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2/11/2016  5:01 PM

D FISH STAY THIRSTY 24/7!!! A true FISHER-MAN.

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2/11/2016  5:04 PM
This guy has almost a million followers including Ian Begley, MSG and the Knicks.
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2/11/2016  5:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:This guy has almost a million followers including Ian Begley, MSG and the Knicks.

Is that Funkmaster Flex from Hot 97? They get all the hot gossip.

I mean, whatever the case - true or not - you can't have this sort of gossip floating around your supposed leader.

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2/11/2016  5:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2016  5:14 PM
I thought this was a joke, but after surfing around I noticed a lot of folks have been talking about this. THJ claimed that he talked to his girl about the rumors and has complete trust in her. WTF?????

Now I see why the 4ever twins were supporting this dude:::))))))

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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2/11/2016  5:20 PM
Fisher's Knicks epitaph...


He spoke softly but used his big stick.

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2/11/2016  5:24 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Not sure if there is anything to this but just that his behavior allows it to go there indicates he needed to be let go.

Thank God Phil left Jeanie back in L.A.

Could imagine the Zen warrior applying advances pinch post zen cuts to Fisher-man's jugular.


Started dating her 4 years after her Playboy shoot, according to the much esteemed Wikipedia.
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2/11/2016  5:36 PM
Wow, how credible is this. Someone mentions that they remember someone else saying something about it and then Windhorst rights and article about it? Journalism is sad
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2/11/2016  5:37 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Wow, how credible is this. Someone mentions that they remember someone else saying something about it and then Windhorst rights and article about it? Journalism is sad

He didn't write an article - people are quoting what he said on a podcast.

The story is out there from several different sources. Whether it is true or not, the story is out there.

I seem to remember people questioning the Fisher/Barnes story and then Barnes was suspended.

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2/11/2016  5:45 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Wow, how credible is this. Someone mentions that they remember someone else saying something about it and then Windhorst rights and article about it? Journalism is sad

I talked about this kind of thing in the past-

Good journalists are not going to put this kind of stuff out there without some real sourcing. Their reputation for reporting the truth is a form of currency

This kind of thing can come back to hurt them financially and credibility-wise if they are wrong. If someone were to write or say something like this and I knew it wasn't true, I'd lawyer up and sue for libel or slander.

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2/11/2016  5:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2016  5:58 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Wow, how credible is this. Someone mentions that they remember someone else saying something about it and then Windhorst rights and article about it? Journalism is sad

I talked about this kind of thing in the past-

Good journalists are not going to put this kind of stuff out there without some real sourcing. Their reputation for reporting the truth is a form of currency

This kind of thing can come back to hurt them financially and credibility-wise if they are wrong. If someone were to write or say something like this and I knew it wasn't true, I'd lawyer up and sue for libel or slander.

The bottom line is that this is the perception around the league and you can't go forward with a guy who is in a position where he is preaching character and not acting that way. It's easy to say these stories are false until there is proof. But I don't think this sort of thing would come out if there weren't some truth to it. It came out back in October and it's come up again now. People questioned the Matt Barnes story being true when it was just a NY Post report. Then Woj confirmed it, then the NBA suspended Barnes.

Either way, I think you can make a strong case that this sort of behavior was at least part of the reason Fisher lost his job. His firing came about 48 hours after Matt Barnes came into the Garden and the Grizzlies beat the Knicks.

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ESPN's Windhorst: Fisher may have been involved with ex-Knicks Tim Hardaway's GF as well

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