BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:KAT is fantastic. 35pts last night. Has a chance to be really special. I don't much faith in Minnesota to build that team right though. I think Wiggins is on his way to becoming the next Rudy Gay.

Look at how New Orleans has messed up their team around Anthony Davis. It's one thing to get a superstar talent. It's another to build a winning team around them.

Last year at this time people would've said Anthony Davis was going to be the top player in the NBA this year. He still has the skills, but his team has set him back. Hard to predict how things will develop.

In the first year of his draft class, no one would have predicted Steph Curry was going to be the best player in that class, let alone the best player in the league.

These things take time to shake out. But KAT is very very good and has the potential to be the best player in the league someday.

Thats a pretty good core with Dieng Towns Wiggins Lavine and sixth man Muhammed. If they get Ingram or Simmons they will be nasty.

two comments: (1) looks better on paper; not sure how it will ever translate on the court. (2) While i like what i've seen from KAT the one thing that is tough to judge when drafting is a player's heart. A lot of these guys came from such dominant programs their victories came easy. Are they willing to do all the little things (thankless and not in stats; often the opposite because it involves sacrifice) that it takes to really win at the NBA level. And as crzy said, minn has a penchant for screwing things up

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:KAT is fantastic. 35pts last night. Has a chance to be really special. I don't much faith in Minnesota to build that team right though. I think Wiggins is on his way to becoming the next Rudy Gay.

Look at how New Orleans has messed up their team around Anthony Davis. It's one thing to get a superstar talent. It's another to build a winning team around them.

Last year at this time people would've said Anthony Davis was going to be the top player in the NBA this year. He still has the skills, but his team has set him back. Hard to predict how things will develop.

In the first year of his draft class, no one would have predicted Steph Curry was going to be the best player in that class, let alone the best player in the league.

These things take time to shake out. But KAT is very very good and has the potential to be the best player in the league someday.

Thats a pretty good core with Dieng Towns Wiggins Lavine and sixth man Muhammed. If they get Ingram or Simmons they will be nasty.

Some thought the TWolves would be "nasty" this year, and I doubt if they knew how well Towns would be playing this early on.

Love Towns, but the team has underachieved big time, IMO.

They need a shooter, and the scary thing is that Towns is probably the best and most consistent outside threat they have on the team at this point.

Not sure you could have Simmons on this team as it is presently constituted- as he cannot shoot for shyte. They will be as athletic as any team around, but a lineup of Rubio/Lavine, Wiggins, Simmons (is he a PF at this level), Dieng, and Towns will have major issues when teams pack it in down low and challenge them to hit longer shots.

I like the Dieng/Towns combo, but Lavine is inconsistent, and I wonder about his BB IQ, Muhammad is a chucker who has disappointed this year, and Wiggins is a 6'8" shooting guard with the game of an old school small forward who can't hit a 3 and he does not rebound a lick for a guy with his size and athleticism.

They need a better coach, probably. It was a shame that Flip could not coach these guys for a few years, but there is also the possibility that they are simply not put together that well as a team.

As an aside... seeing Towns, and even Booker, makes me think that Calipari did a less than terrific job last year getting everything he could out of that team.

Towns should have been featured, especially his midrange game, and a consistent inside/outside game with Booker should have been established.

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Disagree

Kat is great but in 2 years he won't even be the best from this draft. That honor will belong to KP

By the. He'll be unstoppable. Posting up small defenders w hooks and banks. And taking larger defenders outside for 3s or dribble penetration

That coupled w a defense that goes beyond stats

KAT is already doing those things at a higher level and he is younger than KP. Towns post up big and small defenders and can shoot from distance. What happens as he matures and realize he can be great?

Regarding KP he could become great but he will need to really fine tune his game on offense and defense. Hopefully, his strength a2nd endurance will improve as well as his skill sets. He has the potential and I think a full off season working in the gym with trainers and NBA players will be huge for him again.

KAT is only a few months younger than KP. For some reason people mention that like it makes a big deal, it isn't even a factor. This is both player's age 20 season, so its a mute point.

I've talked about this kind of thing a lot...KP is the most physically immature lottery pick.

You look at the bodies of Towns, OK4, Winslow, Mudiay, etc... and these guys have the bodies of men- Porzingis is still a kid...has nothing to do with chronological age. If you want to go on a 1-10 scale, the guys above are at 8 in terms of their final maturation...KP is about a 6 at this point.

All the guys in the draft will "mature," but I think that Porzingis has more maturation to do than many of the other picks in this draft, and once again...it has nothing to do with their respective dates of birth.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:KAT is fantastic. 35pts last night. Has a chance to be really special. I don't much faith in Minnesota to build that team right though. I think Wiggins is on his way to becoming the next Rudy Gay.

Look at how New Orleans has messed up their team around Anthony Davis. It's one thing to get a superstar talent. It's another to build a winning team around them.

Last year at this time people would've said Anthony Davis was going to be the top player in the NBA this year. He still has the skills, but his team has set him back. Hard to predict how things will develop.

In the first year of his draft class, no one would have predicted Steph Curry was going to be the best player in that class, let alone the best player in the league.

These things take time to shake out. But KAT is very very good and has the potential to be the best player in the league someday.

Thats a pretty good core with Dieng Towns Wiggins Lavine and sixth man Muhammed. If they get Ingram or Simmons they will be nasty.

Some thought the TWolves would be "nasty" this year, and I doubt if they knew how well Towns would be playing this early on.

Love Towns, but the team has underachieved big time, IMO.

They need a shooter, and the scary thing is that Towns is probably the best and most consistent outside threat they have on the team at this point.

Not sure you could have Simmons on this team as it is presently constituted- as he cannot shoot for shyte. They will be as athletic as any team around, but a lineup of Rubio/Lavine, Wiggins, Simmons (is he a PF at this level), Dieng, and Towns will have major issues when teams pack it in down low and challenge them to hit longer shots.

I like the Dieng/Towns combo, but Lavine is inconsistent, and I wonder about his BB IQ, Muhammad is a chucker who has disappointed this year, and Wiggins is a 6'8" shooting guard with the game of an old school small forward who can't hit a 3 and he does not rebound a lick for a guy with his size and athleticism.

They need a better coach, probably. It was a shame that Flip could not coach these guys for a few years, but there is also the possibility that they are simply not put together that well as a team.

As an aside... seeing Towns, and even Booker, makes me think that Calipari did a less than terrific job last year getting everything he could out of that team.

Towns should have been featured, especially his midrange game, and a consistent inside/outside game with Booker should have been established.

Its hard to win when your three top guys are 20. But this is acceptable. You're right they need shooting--but no way could they pass on Simmons/Ingram(who is probably better for Minny) who would be moved to SF. You get rid of Rubio and you surround that frontline with shooters. Hield Valentine or Grayson Allen would be good fits as well.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:KAT is fantastic. 35pts last night. Has a chance to be really special. I don't much faith in Minnesota to build that team right though. I think Wiggins is on his way to becoming the next Rudy Gay.

Look at how New Orleans has messed up their team around Anthony Davis. It's one thing to get a superstar talent. It's another to build a winning team around them.

Last year at this time people would've said Anthony Davis was going to be the top player in the NBA this year. He still has the skills, but his team has set him back. Hard to predict how things will develop.

In the first year of his draft class, no one would have predicted Steph Curry was going to be the best player in that class, let alone the best player in the league.

These things take time to shake out. But KAT is very very good and has the potential to be the best player in the league someday.

Thats a pretty good core with Dieng Towns Wiggins Lavine and sixth man Muhammed. If they get Ingram or Simmons they will be nasty.

Some thought the TWolves would be "nasty" this year, and I doubt if they knew how well Towns would be playing this early on.

Love Towns, but the team has underachieved big time, IMO.

They need a shooter, and the scary thing is that Towns is probably the best and most consistent outside threat they have on the team at this point.

Not sure you could have Simmons on this team as it is presently constituted- as he cannot shoot for shyte. They will be as athletic as any team around, but a lineup of Rubio/Lavine, Wiggins, Simmons (is he a PF at this level), Dieng, and Towns will have major issues when teams pack it in down low and challenge them to hit longer shots.

I like the Dieng/Towns combo, but Lavine is inconsistent, and I wonder about his BB IQ, Muhammad is a chucker who has disappointed this year, and Wiggins is a 6'8" shooting guard with the game of an old school small forward who can't hit a 3 and he does not rebound a lick for a guy with his size and athleticism.

They need a better coach, probably. It was a shame that Flip could not coach these guys for a few years, but there is also the possibility that they are simply not put together that well as a team.

As an aside... seeing Towns, and even Booker, makes me think that Calipari did a less than terrific job last year getting everything he could out of that team.

Towns should have been featured, especially his midrange game, and a consistent inside/outside game with Booker should have been established.

Its hard to win when your three top guys are 20. But this is acceptable. You're right they need shooting--but no way could they pass on Simmons/Ingram(who is probably better for Minny) who would be moved to SF. You get rid of Rubio and you surround that frontline with shooters. Hield Valentine or Grayson Allen would be good fits as well.

Ingram would be a better fit for them, from what I can see.

I'm not sure that Simmons will ever be an adequate shooter, and I'm a guy who always gives guys the benefit of the doubt on this kind of thing. Cannot believe that someone did not work with his shot as he was coming up.

Magic Johnson had a terrible jumpshot too. I think Simmons will be more than fine from watching him. But Ingram can shoot it and if I was running Minnesota Id probably bypass Simmons in this case.

BRIGGS wrote:The second Curry trickles down it will all be over.

Still this last draft will go down as a superstar draft up and own rd 1 and we FORTUNATELY got our own (as long as he doesnt get hurt)

KP ceiling is significantly higher than Towns but as a guy that LOVED F-Kaminsky I think you have a tough time projecting upside.

I love Twons but he's just more polished/physical right now KP blows him away in terms of an extremely high end well- rounded skill set.

Towns is performing in Minny on a brutal team with ZERO pressure -- KP,walked into NY under great pressure and blew the world away.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Disagree

KAT is only a few months younger than KP. For some reason people mention that like it makes a big deal, it isn't even a factor. This is both player's age 20 season, so its a mute point.

Moot. Not mute.

Was going to mention/correct it too (former teacher), but I decided to remain mute about it.

Well played, sir.

Sambakick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Chandler wrote:Disagree

KAT is only a few months younger than KP. For some reason people mention that like it makes a big deal, it isn't even a factor. This is both player's age 20 season, so its a mute point.

Moot. Not mute.

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