SocraticBallin22 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If Jimmer were given Jose's minutes I think people would start to realize that Jose does a pretty good job running this offense.

I think Jose's ability to "run the offense" as an excuse for his putrid defense and non-existent scoring is a bit overstated and lame. In theory, the Triangle offense does not require a true point guard to initiate. In fact, it does not require a point guard at all, hence Ron Harper running the point with the Bulls who was clearly not a point guard (more of a small forward).

Harper could run a team. You need a lead guard out there. I'm all for Jimmer getting a shot here but he's had plenty of shots and hasn't paned out. I'm not going to be happy with allowing Jimmer to come in and shoot when he wants. This is a team sport. He's 6'2 he needs to be able to lead out there. Direct traffic and initiate offense.

Btw Google Ron Harper. Dude was not a small fwd. He was a legit 2 way guard. 20/5/5... on the downside of his career playing with Jordan he was more than enough. Jose is playing with Affalo.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

TAB wrote:I just expect Jimmer to come in and score in bunches or sit. He needs to play long enough and be allowed to miss a few, BECAUSE, a scorer needs to shoot. If we defend as a team he can play. If not he won't be effective at all. I think he would do pretty well knowing this would be absolutely it for his chances. I'd rather get it over with and find out early.

I also think he would be one of the few players who if hot...Would wave off Melo.

Jimmer can't run the point like Jose...but he can really push the ball up court for early offense. Maybe, if he doesn't get something early...then we can let Melo handle if they are in together.

Bottom line is he would be A THREAT when he's out there. I'm sorry but Jose is NO THREAT. Jimmer would look to score any chance he got and push the ball. This, alone, would make us better.

I think it is worth a taking a look. He seems to have made a good faith effort at getting back to the league. He is also very good at the pick and roll from what I've seen as well as cutting to the basket. I'd rather find out sooner than later though. We can then concentrate more on the younger players if he doesn't work out. I do appreciate being able to watch the guy play like I hadn't before. He might not be good enough for the big show but he IS a baller and I like that. Fun stuff.

Knicks1969 wrote:I am still awaiting someone to tell me why Nose is still a Knicks. Our back court has been bad since we acquired this dude. I venture to say that his mere presence on the roster is the main reason why we are as bad as we are. I don't know what Phil is thinking, the time has come to cut this dude if not traded by the deadline. Anyone can do better than Nose. Fredette or Wrotten or Murray

Too bad we don't have anyone in our front office or any coaches that know any better or have any basketball knowledge.......wait a minute.....................................

Clean wrote:If you want to give Jimmer the minutes that Jose currently has then you are doing it wrong. Jimmer is not a starting PG. He is a role player. You fit him where he helps the most and where his liabilities hurts the least. If you start Jimmer you are guaranteeing he fails. Our bench clearly struggles to score. Bring Jimmer off the bench as a combo guard where he can be the benches main offensive threat. This allows his defensive liabilities to be lessened. Jimmer can also come in early during those stretches in the game that everyone on the floor can't hit a shot to save their lives.

But please tell me in what way is Jose right now currently a starting point guard, and how Jimmer could possibly be any worse? That's my point.

newyorker4ever wrote:I sure wish we had you guys running our Knicks or coaching our Knicks cause the guys we have just don't know shizit......SMH

Listen...I know that Fish had promised you an assistant coach gig on his staff because you were his biggest apologist, and now you're out of a job after he got canned, but...COMMON MAN! lol

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

Clean wrote:If you want to give Jimmer the minutes that Jose currently has then you are doing it wrong. Jimmer is not a starting PG. He is a role player. You fit him where he helps the most and where his liabilities hurts the least. If you start Jimmer you are guaranteeing he fails. Our bench clearly struggles to score. Bring Jimmer off the bench as a combo guard where he can be the benches main offensive threat. This allows his defensive liabilities to be lessened. Jimmer can also come in early during those stretches in the game that everyone on the floor can't hit a shot to save their lives.

But please tell me in what way is Jose right now currently a starting point guard, and how Jimmer could possibly be any worse? That's my point.

TAB wrote:You can also watch Jimmer's game against the spurs and see he can be effective when used correctly.

Are we talking about a basketball player or a contraceptive?

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I am still awaiting someone to tell me why Nose is still a Knicks. Our back court has been bad since we acquired this dude. I venture to say that his mere presence on the roster is the main reason why we are as bad as we are. I don't know what Phil is thinking, the time has come to cut this dude if not traded by the deadline. Anyone can do better than Nose. Fredette or Wrotten or Murray

Too bad we don't have anyone in our front office or any coaches that know any better or have any basketball knowledge.......wait a minute.....................................

What is ur point dude???? Oh, you don't have one

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

TAB wrote:I just expect Jimmer to come in and score in bunches or sit. He needs to play long enough and be allowed to miss a few, BECAUSE, a scorer needs to shoot. If we defend as a team he can play. If not he won't be effective at all. I think he would do pretty well knowing this would be absolutely it for his chances. I'd rather get it over with and find out early.

I also think he would be one of the few players who if hot...Would wave off Melo.

Jimmer can't run the point like Jose...but he can really push the ball up court for early offense. Maybe, if he doesn't get something early...then we can let Melo handle if they are in together.

Bottom line is he would be A THREAT when he's out there. I'm sorry but Jose is NO THREAT. Jimmer would look to score any chance he got and push the ball. This, alone, would make us better.

He has had multiple shots at the league Jose is not a starting pt guard - but he is an NBA player. The idea that anyone is better than Jose is just frustration talking. There is a reason Jose is in the league and Jimmer is not, and it is not because all the NBA GMs, coaches and scouts don't know as much as Knick fans. Jose should not be starting - but sometimes your best option just isn't good enough.

Knicks1969 wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

OldFan wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Hypothetically...if Jimmer replaced Jose as the starter and received his minutes--about 28 a game--what would his offensive production be? I predict that given these minutes Jimmer would easily average 15 points a game and give our offense a huge boost, compared to Jose's 7 points and reluctance to shoot.

I would also argue that there is no way that Jimmer is any worse than Jose defensively. In fact, given his age, he would be better than Jose--although he's still a bad defender.

If this is the case, then why not sign him and allow him to play? Am I missing something, or is this a no-brainer. You gain a lot on offense and don't lose anything defensively.

What are your thoughts?

You lose defensively and offensively there is a reason Jimmer is in the D-League. Any team in the league could sign him and they have not. If the Knicks let Jose go and he could be paid what Jimmer would be paid - there would be plenty of takers.

Respectfully disagree. No point guard can be worse defensively than Jose, IMO. And you gain offensively by default because Jimmer is an aggressive player always looking for his shot, whereas Jose is a reluctant shooter. Jimmer is more of a playmaker, too, because he puts pressure on the defense--something jose never does.

I would argue that there is no other team in the NBA that has such a glaring need for an upgrade at point guard than the Knicks. If given a 10 day by other teams, they would not play him as much. I am saying give him Jose's minutes and he would produce. That's the difference.

Fredette is a similar player to Lin. Both don't defend but can make shots

LIN is light years better than Jimmer. Ok maybe not light years but definitely better.