yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Not very different. KP is obviously untouchable and Melo has a NTC. Lopez has value but I doubt we trade him. I'd like to see if we can trade Afflalo, Derrick Williams, and Calderon for some combination of picks but don't know which teams would be willing to give up anything of value for them. LAC could definitely use Calderon as a backup for Paul but I don't see an obvious trade to make there.

The only trade the LAC could do is Lance for Calderon which makes since for both teams if the FO was rational but Phil probably doesn't want to do that. Bring in shaw to baby sit him for half a year and release him in the summer.

I think AA makes a lot of since for OKC. He would be an upgrade of the bench or in the starting unit. Similar to JR going to cleveland, all AA would have to do is be a spot up shooter. Hopefully they would give up a few of their many 2nd rd picks.

I think the Pelicans would have interest in Afflalo as well and are dumb enough to end up overpaying for him. I wouldn't mind flipping he and Calderon for Eric Gordon's expirer and some unprotected 2nd round picks. With them being as terrible as they are, this year's 2016 pick would be damn near a 1st rounder. Maybe we could even have Norris Cole included and then move him to another team for yet another 2nd rounder.

I'd probably see what Gordon can still do (think he'd be a pretty decent 6th man) and then sign Jimmer Fredette and/or Tony Wroten to see what they can do in Calderon's role (cause we'd be throwing in the flag for the season).

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We just have to simplify things.

Step #1: We absolutely need to upgrade Calderon. At the very least we need a talented athlete to take his minutes away at pg. A guy like Wroten who's dangling waiting for Phil to figure out what he wants to do. It could be Jimmer too, but Wroten size and defense trump whatever Jimmer can do for us right now.

Step #2: There can only be one backup behind Melo. Either Derrick Williams or Lance Thomas. Cleananthony is almost ready to make his way back to the court so the Knicks can stand to lose Lance or Derrick.

Step #3: There can only be one backup big. Either Seraphin or o'quinn has to go. Seraphin is the better post scorer. I think their defense and rebounding are a wash between the two. Seraphin should be our guy. We have Lou Amundson at the end of the bench so wed be good with depth.

That leaves o'quinn, and possibly Derrick Williams as trade chips. We don't have time to baby Grant so I would add him to that mix. Who can we get in return? Again that's a matter of calming down and seeing what we have and what we need.

Pf: KP
Sf: Melo
c : Rolo
pg: Wroten
sg: Afflalo

first big of the bench: Seraphin
first guard off the bench: Galloway
back up pg: Calderón
backup sf: Lance

Can the Knicks get another legit forward or 2 guard to add to the rotation?
There are guys dangling around the league. Guys not so attractive but could be missing pieces to what we are trying to do.

Wouldn't Early have to have played at some point to be making his way back to the court? Let's be realy, he's a 2nd round pick who hasn't played at all in his short career. He's gone after his contract is up this season.

Not to mention that he's in his mid-20's already....

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We just have to simplify things.

Step #1: We absolutely need to upgrade Calderon. At the very least we need a talented athlete to take his minutes away at pg. A guy like Wroten who's dangling waiting for Phil to figure out what he wants to do. It could be Jimmer too, but Wroten size and defense trump whatever Jimmer can do for us right now.

Step #2: There can only be one backup behind Melo. Either Derrick Williams or Lance Thomas. Cleananthony is almost ready to make his way back to the court so the Knicks can stand to lose Lance or Derrick.

Step #3: There can only be one backup big. Either Seraphin or o'quinn has to go. Seraphin is the better post scorer. I think their defense and rebounding are a wash between the two. Seraphin should be our guy. We have Lou Amundson at the end of the bench so wed be good with depth.

That leaves o'quinn, and possibly Derrick Williams as trade chips. We don't have time to baby Grant so I would add him to that mix. Who can we get in return? Again that's a matter of calming down and seeing what we have and what we need.

Pf: KP
Sf: Melo
c : Rolo
pg: Wroten
sg: Afflalo

first big of the bench: Seraphin
first guard off the bench: Galloway
back up pg: Calderón
backup sf: Lance

Can the Knicks get another legit forward or 2 guard to add to the rotation?
There are guys dangling around the league. Guys not so attractive but could be missing pieces to what we are trying to do.

Wouldn't Early have to have played at some point to be making his way back to the court? Let's be realy, he's a 2nd round pick who hasn't played at all in his short career. He's gone after his contract is up this season.

Not to mention that he's in his mid-20's already....

You wanna know what's really ignorant? That after all I wrote you only want to talk about Early who I'm clearly stating he would be a 3rd string small fwd.

....I was responding to the guy, who like me, doesn't think Early is worth mentioning. Sounds like your quarrell is with him and not me.

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We just have to simplify things.

Step #1: We absolutely need to upgrade Calderon. At the very least we need a talented athlete to take his minutes away at pg. A guy like Wroten who's dangling waiting for Phil to figure out what he wants to do. It could be Jimmer too, but Wroten size and defense trump whatever Jimmer can do for us right now.

Step #2: There can only be one backup behind Melo. Either Derrick Williams or Lance Thomas. Cleananthony is almost ready to make his way back to the court so the Knicks can stand to lose Lance or Derrick.

Step #3: There can only be one backup big. Either Seraphin or o'quinn has to go. Seraphin is the better post scorer. I think their defense and rebounding are a wash between the two. Seraphin should be our guy. We have Lou Amundson at the end of the bench so wed be good with depth.

That leaves o'quinn, and possibly Derrick Williams as trade chips. We don't have time to baby Grant so I would add him to that mix. Who can we get in return? Again that's a matter of calming down and seeing what we have and what we need.

Pf: KP
Sf: Melo
c : Rolo
pg: Wroten
sg: Afflalo

first big of the bench: Seraphin
first guard off the bench: Galloway
back up pg: Calderón
backup sf: Lance

Can the Knicks get another legit forward or 2 guard to add to the rotation?
There are guys dangling around the league. Guys not so attractive but could be missing pieces to what we are trying to do.

Wouldn't Early have to have played at some point to be making his way back to the court? Let's be realy, he's a 2nd round pick who hasn't played at all in his short career. He's gone after his contract is up this season.

Not to mention that he's in his mid-20's already....

You wanna know what's really ignorant? That after all I wrote you only want to talk about Early who I'm clearly stating he would be a 3rd string small fwd.

For the record, none of what you said was objectionable and I didn't feel the need to comment otherwise. I'm moreso inclined to keep Lance Thomas AND Derrick Williams to be Melo and Porzingis' backups but could see how we'd stand to improve by having just one guy man the backup forward spots. In my opinion though, the better move would be to ship O'Quinn and Seraphin out for expirers, allow Kristaps to assume their minutes as the backup 5 and then have both Thomas and Williams gobble up the minutes created by that void at the forward spots. But that could prove to be an expensive proposition....and could see why it'd be unappealing.

The minutes breakdown for the frontcourt this season would look something like this for me:
Melo: 32mpg
Lopez: 28mpg
Porzingis: 30mpg (20mpg at the 5)
Thomas: 25mpg (16mpg at the 3)
Williams: 29mpg (at the 4)

It allows us to have a pure scorer on the floor whenever Melo rests, ample time for Melo to rest, and an opportunity for Porzingis to ease his way into the 5 spot.

Now thats better than wasting time debating a passing comment I made about Early.

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We just have to simplify things.

Step #1: We absolutely need to upgrade Calderon. At the very least we need a talented athlete to take his minutes away at pg. A guy like Wroten who's dangling waiting for Phil to figure out what he wants to do. It could be Jimmer too, but Wroten size and defense trump whatever Jimmer can do for us right now.

Step #2: There can only be one backup behind Melo. Either Derrick Williams or Lance Thomas. Cleananthony is almost ready to make his way back to the court so the Knicks can stand to lose Lance or Derrick.

Step #3: There can only be one backup big. Either Seraphin or o'quinn has to go. Seraphin is the better post scorer. I think their defense and rebounding are a wash between the two. Seraphin should be our guy. We have Lou Amundson at the end of the bench so wed be good with depth.

That leaves o'quinn, and possibly Derrick Williams as trade chips. We don't have time to baby Grant so I would add him to that mix. Who can we get in return? Again that's a matter of calming down and seeing what we have and what we need.

Pf: KP
Sf: Melo
c : Rolo
pg: Wroten
sg: Afflalo

first big of the bench: Seraphin
first guard off the bench: Galloway
back up pg: Calderón
backup sf: Lance

Can the Knicks get another legit forward or 2 guard to add to the rotation?
There are guys dangling around the league. Guys not so attractive but could be missing pieces to what we are trying to do.

Wouldn't Early have to have played at some point to be making his way back to the court? Let's be realy, he's a 2nd round pick who hasn't played at all in his short career. He's gone after his contract is up this season.

Not to mention that he's in his mid-20's already....

You wanna know what's really ignorant? That after all I wrote you only want to talk about Early who I'm clearly stating he would be a 3rd string small fwd.

For the record, none of what you said was objectionable and I didn't feel the need to comment otherwise. I'm moreso inclined to keep Lance Thomas AND Derrick Williams to be Melo and Porzingis' backups but could see how we'd stand to improve by having just one guy man the backup forward spots. In my opinion though, the better move would be to ship O'Quinn and Seraphin out for expirers, allow Kristaps to assume their minutes as the backup 5 and then have both Thomas and Williams gobble up the minutes created by that void at the forward spots. But that could prove to be an expensive proposition....and could see why it'd be unappealing.

The minutes breakdown for the frontcourt this season would look something like this for me:
Melo: 32mpg
Lopez: 28mpg
Porzingis: 30mpg (20mpg at the 5)
Thomas: 25mpg (16mpg at the 3)
Williams: 29mpg (at the 4)

It allows us to have a pure scorer on the floor whenever Melo rests, ample time for Melo to rest, and an opportunity for Porzingis to ease his way into the 5 spot.

Now thats better than wasting time debating a passing comment I made about Early.

Wish I could say the same about your follow-up. I also included info about a backcourt in my edit.

I just read the edit. Not a bad idea.

sometimes you gave to call sometime ignorant in order to get a Decent conversation out of them.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:Gotta wonder if Jerian is gonna be in the Gym putting up 500 shots a day! In addition to wanting to bring in more help it would also help of guys raised their game. Jerian I thought would eventually take the job from Jose at some point in the season. I've been disappointed in his lack of progress. I feel Fish should've played him and KP together more often and as we saw when they finally had them together it looked really good in the Drag Screen and PnR game. Wonder what Rambis intends to do with Jerian?

Difference between a guy like KP and Jerian. Kp want to prove he belongs and works tirelessly at it. He was ready day one. Jerian still looks lost. He has zero confidence. If a guy has no confidence you can't do anything for him. Jerian had his share of chances. He's been playing. Forcing a guy to play 30 mins per without proving they deserve it is toxic behavior. Jerian has to prove he belongs.

Yes I agree with that for the most part. I just liked how Jerian looked out there with KP and we hardly saw that combo all year. At one point they had only played a total of 17 minutes together and not much more floor time came after that point. I also like how Melo and KP work off each other. Need to see that more too.

all valid points. I'm not as down on jerian though. Pg is tough for a rookie.

If I were rambis I would have a clearly defined role for JG. My preference would be to just focus on D this year. His feet are quick enough to stay in front of his man. He's long enough. and he would be an asset in the 4th

He needs the summer to work on a reliable shot

Rookie wrote:Just wondering if Phil is in the office or.....

Phil doesn't need to be in an office for teams to hang up on him when he calls. Our trade assets are undervalued around the league because they're losing and because I think Knicks players automatically get devalued a little.