Knicks1969 wrote:I love Lopez, but wouldn't mind moving him if I can replace him with a comparable player who is cheaper and can also help us improve the back court. Monroe..

there are so many things wrong with you trying to say monroe and rolo are comparable, because they're nowhere close. rolo is a much more complete player. but what's really funny is that you say monroe is cheaper. did you forget to do your research again? monroe is making 16.5m this year and rolo is making 12.6m......

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I love Lopez, but wouldn't mind moving him if I can replace him with a comparable player who is cheaper and can also help us improve the back court. Monroe..

there are so many things wrong with you trying to say monroe and rolo are comparable, because they're nowhere close. rolo is a much more complete player. but what's really funny is that you say monroe is cheaper. did you forget to do your research again? monroe is making 16.5m this year and rolo is making 12.6m......

He isn't? Last I checked, Rolo's contract is longer than Monroe. And please tell me what Rolo does that Monroe does not. Since you are a savant and think you know better, prove to me that I am wrong. You and your twin are always so quick to criticize without fully analyzing what has been said, but very quick to be disrespectful

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/

Wait, why can't you do this yourself? I'd like to see you do a bit of research and show us that you know something while at the same time backing it up.

Contract, stats, role on team, advanced stats, etc.

Please help me with your full assessment. Rolo vs Monroe.

Monroe just got brought off the bench last game. Kidd not happy with his play these days.

EnySpree wrote:We shouldn't be arguing about Monroe. He got to the Bucks and made then worse. On the surface, Monroe seems better. Rolo does one thing that Monroe doesn't and that is control the paint. Rolo kung-fu fights all night long allowing Melo and KP to do their things. It might not lead to big stats but he's very effective in the team concept. He's also self motivated. He's never flat.

Plus RoLo is somewhat held back by the lack of PnR or a legit drive and dish PG!!! It's not the ideal situation with the guards we have right now. Jose is too old. Gallo is not a PG. AA is a Black Hole. Jerian is Bambi on Ice out there. Sasha is Sasha! It's really just a big nothing in terms of helping our bigs to get easy buckets.

EnySpree wrote:Also Monroe tried to disrespect the Knicks when everyone said he was a lock to sign here. He said himself that we were never an option for him. He wanted to play for a team that had something going for them.

So Fuck Monroe.

Yeah, no matter where we finish, I want it to be ahead of Milwaukee.

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I love Lopez, but wouldn't mind moving him if I can replace him with a comparable player who is cheaper and can also help us improve the back court. Monroe..

there are so many things wrong with you trying to say monroe and rolo are comparable, because they're nowhere close. rolo is a much more complete player. but what's really funny is that you say monroe is cheaper. did you forget to do your research again? monroe is making 16.5m this year and rolo is making 12.6m......

He isn't? Last I checked, Rolo's contract is longer than Monroe. And please tell me what Rolo does that Monroe does not. Since you are a savant and think you know better, prove to me that I am wrong. You and your twin are always so quick to criticize without fully analyzing what has been said, but very quick to be disrespectful

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/

Wait, why can't you do this yourself? I'd like to see you do a bit of research and show us that you know something while at the same time backing it up.

Contract, stats, role on team, advanced stats, etc.

Please help me with your full assessment. Rolo vs Monroe.

Monroe just got brought off the bench last game. Kidd not happy with his play these days.

Oh wow Martin, why are you defending the 4ever brothers? This dude in particular is always trying to put me down as one who has no clue, but he is the one who needs help.

Since you ask for research here it is:

Monroe is owed a total of $51 million for the length of his contract. He is currently producing 16 points per game all while taking a meger 13 shots, 1 block, 1 steal, 10 rebounds, shooting 75% freethrows, 52% FG

RoLo is owed a total of $56 million. He is currently producing 10 points per game all while taking 8 shots per, 1.4 blocks, .2 steal, 6 rebounds, shooting 80% freethrows, 53% FG.

As you can see, the numbers are analogous; except that IMO, Monroe fits the triangular system better. My reason behind such assertion is because Monroe is quicker at both ends of the court and can stretch the floor; he has more range with his jumper. We are complaining about how slow we start games, and IMO it is all because of Jose and RoLo.

I only want Monroe because we can at least replace Jose with MCW who is a better PG at this juncture. If we can get them to give us a pick for the next draft it would be even better

Knicks1969 wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I love Lopez, but wouldn't mind moving him if I can replace him with a comparable player who is cheaper and can also help us improve the back court. Monroe..

there are so many things wrong with you trying to say monroe and rolo are comparable, because they're nowhere close. rolo is a much more complete player. but what's really funny is that you say monroe is cheaper. did you forget to do your research again? monroe is making 16.5m this year and rolo is making 12.6m......

He isn't? Last I checked, Rolo's contract is longer than Monroe. And please tell me what Rolo does that Monroe does not. Since you are a savant and think you know better, prove to me that I am wrong. You and your twin are always so quick to criticize without fully analyzing what has been said, but very quick to be disrespectful

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/players/

http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/

Wait, why can't you do this yourself? I'd like to see you do a bit of research and show us that you know something while at the same time backing it up.

Contract, stats, role on team, advanced stats, etc.

Please help me with your full assessment. Rolo vs Monroe.

Monroe just got brought off the bench last game. Kidd not happy with his play these days.

Oh wow Martin, why are you defending the 4ever brothers? This dude in particular is always trying to put me down as one who has no clue, but he is the one who needs help.

Since you ask for research here it is:

Monroe is owed a total of $51 million for the length of his contract. He is currently producing 16 points per game all while taking a meger 13 shots, 1 block, 1 steal, 10 rebounds, shooting 75% freethrows, 52% FG

RoLo is owed a total of $56 million. He is currently producing 10 points per game all while taking 8 shots per, 1.4 blocks, .2 steal, 6 rebounds, shooting 80% freethrows, 53% FG.

As you can see, the numbers are analogous; except that IMO, Monroe fits the triangular system better. My reason behind such assertion is because Monroe is quicker at both ends of the court and can stretch the floor; he has more range with his jumper. We are complaining about how slow we start games, and IMO it is all because of Jose and RoLo.

And who wouldn't want MCW over Calderon?
I'm with you
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=53552

I think MCW's length, defense & penetration is exactly what this teams needs. Unless you are content with the point guards we have or scrubs like Bogans/Chalmers etc.

In addition to MCW ability to break down defenses and score easy baskets in transition I think a KP/Monroe frontcourt makes us a more balanced team. Neither Rolo or KP get use easy buckets inside 15ft. When one of them flourishes statistically the other gives you nothing.

KP needs to step it up defensively to cover for Monroe. KP gets to chase blocks at the 5 and not hurt is by chasing Blocks from the 4. KP IS capable of Blocking 3-4 shots a game with his quickness at 7'3.

Let's pretend we are not Knick fans for a second. Who would you rather receive in a trade Rolo or Monroe?

I will give you an example of someone simliar who was absolutely trashed by New York Knickerbocker fans for not playing any defense, for being a bad guy, a me guy etc but has gone on to do great things elsewhere. One of the best PF's in the game for for almost a decade now. That would be
Zach Randolph.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Also Monroe tried to disrespect the Knicks when everyone said he was a lock to sign here. He said himself that we were never an option for him. He wanted to play for a team that had something going for them.

So Fuck Monroe.

Yeah, no matter where we finish, I want it to be ahead of Milwaukee.

Yeah I really didn't like those comments at all.

Who cares about what a player or coach said? I don't. Phil said that the pairing of Carmelo and Amare was horrendous. He criticized Melo's game and when he was hired he decided to re-sign him for big money. Bottom line is this, Phil saw something in Monroe's game that he liked.; similar to what he saw in Kerr as our coach. If we have an opportunity to get Monroe and also solidify our morbid PG position, we MUST do the deal

Chandler wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Also Monroe tried to disrespect the Knicks when everyone said he was a lock to sign here. He said himself that we were never an option for him. He wanted to play for a team that had something going for them.

So Fuck Monroe.

my sentiments exactly. we want guys who want to be here, not because of the money but because they truly want to win in the garden

Now that Monroe sees how good KP is, he will be more than happy to play in NY. He never played with a player of the caliber of Carmelo

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Tighter rotations.
More consistent offensive schemes.

Had Fish done this all season, we'd still not be a playoff team, but we'd be 3-4 wins better. That's all it is about. We should have finished this season out winning 38-42 games, and will likely fall 5-6 wins short of that.

I'm not expecting this team to win more than 10 games the rest of the season. However, so long as they execute consistently, I'll be happy. Many of these guys will be back next year with the same system and being young they can improve. Porzingis is 20, Galloway is 24, Williams is 24 and Seraphin is 26. Considering we have Grant as well, that's 5 guys that need the rest of these games to get some much needed playing time and understanding of what they need to do to keep getting better in the system.

Things will look different with some rest and then preparation and hopefully and decent addition to the roster. I still believe this team can get back to playing well.

I think so too. I believe we should definitely pull the trigger on a deal with the Bucks. I like Rolo, but I don't see anything he does that Monroe can't do. Monroe is much quicker with his decisions to attack the basket on offense and is a much better rebounder. He can space the floor with the range of his shots and is a good passer. MCW is not a good shooter and we all know that, but he is not slow and as terrible of a defender as Jose. I don't see why some are this reluctant when it comes to the two. Financially it makes sense, and talent wise we would be gaining. If we can coerce them to give us a pick, it would be even sweeter

both players you mention have flaws, monroe is a horrible defender at his position, he doesnt come out to guard anyone on the perimeter, and MCW is a horiible shooter for his position.

If you see how grants lack of 3 point shooting is a major hindrance, why on earth would anyone be targeting a player that has the same issues.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We have to play Jose.... no getting around it. We can't get rid of him until the Knicks can get a better option from a physical standpoint.

Something will give. In Phil we trust

I think we can win without Jose if we properly use our roster

how, without playing SASHA? I would rather play 4 on 5 than play sasha, but thats just me.

I much rather lose with anyone other than Jose. When he is on the court, the entire team looks like garbage. He forces guys to switch and often creates big mismatches all over the floor. The one thing that he can be good at is scoring, he only provides that once every 10 games. Sorry folks, I want no part of this dude.