fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo trades are as equally entertaining as threads regarding who we will pick if we make the lottery. Both an equal waste of time.

I never understood that attiude. People in your camp pretend that NTCs can't be waived. KG had two and was traded both times despite him being emmensely loyal. Needless to say, Melo can and hopefully will be dealt (stated by a huge Melo fan that is a bigger Knick fan).

right... I equally dont understand the attitude that because something immensely rare happening one place means it can happen in another. Also KG waived it after being convinced by Paul Pierce, and waived it again when the Brooklyn situation was a total disaster. KG waiving his clause does not mean "it happens."

Got any other examples? Is there anything in the KG situation that resembles ours? Pretty sure the answer is a big NO to both, but feel free to write a few paragraphs. If you are thinking up trade scenarios with Melo you must have time on your hands. Entertain us...

No-trade clauses are by definition, rare. So you criticize the KG situation as being "rare" or an exception to the rule seems....misguided. Aside from him, I can only think of Kobe who has one....maybe Duncan on the Spurs. And if that is the case, then no-trade clauses have been waived 33%-50% of the time, which isn't exactly a "rare" occurrence.

ok, how about common sense? Why did Melo sign a contract to play in NY?

At least make these stupid proposals a viable destination, and there is really only 1... LA. Do you really think he's waiving his clause to play in Utah or some of these other places? Is that common sense? Waste of time and space.

Dude, calm your ass down. If views that differ from your own are so upsetting then maybe a forum for the exchange of ideas isn't for you.

To answer your question, Melo re-signed here because it was the more financially viable option. He managed to get higher annual raises, an additional year to his contract and immediate access to the largest economic market on the face of the Earth ALL gauranteed. Simply put, we were a sound business decision especially for a guy entering the twilight of his career and whose body is about to pull an Amar'e. I also think that the idea of playing for Phil Jackson made him feel a bit more optimistic about us being competitive. But given Melo's track record, money and the bright lights are what is appealing to him (which is why he left a better DEN team to come here via trade instead of free agency).

The NTC was not some act of undying loyalty for the franchise on his part, it was a means to ensure that his fascination with the "bright lights", the only element of his contract that was NOT guaranteed, could be maintained even if it wasn't in NY. Now, he has the ability to pick where he wants to go with his gauranteed money. And fortunately for him, there are other cities that break about even with us given their financial markets AND ability to be a contender. Like you mentioned LAC is one of them. I also think that MIA and CHI, the 4th and 3rd largest markets in the country, have a puncher's chance as well. All 3 teams can produce compelling packages that would allow them to still be a contender if they traded for him and have the spare assets to satisfy us. Outside of those 3, I don't see Melo going anywhere. But those 3 are compelling enough where I think it would happen when we are ready to pull the plug.

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, Shved is under contract in Russia for 3 years with no opt out. Time to let that one go.

did that stop the Germans when they bombed Perl Harbor?

You mean Japan?

Carmelo--various reasons and I think we can still get back a decent haul

Lopez--liked the way he ahs played at times good guy --but I need the cap space and I think he can bring assets--also I dont thin he and kp fit.This is why we are getting off to bad starts.

D Will--He may opt out and he may be trade able for a 2nd rounder why--he doesnt pass and cant shoot the 3 although he has value as a 7th/8th man--just not here.

Calderon--decent player not for this team going 4ward probably have to waive and stretch him for the cap space.

Oquinn--just doesnt fit--but his 4mm per year makes him movable.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo trades are as equally entertaining as threads regarding who we will pick if we make the lottery. Both an equal waste of time.

I never understood that attiude. People in your camp pretend that NTCs can't be waived. KG had two and was traded both times despite him being emmensely loyal. Needless to say, Melo can and hopefully will be dealt (stated by a huge Melo fan that is a bigger Knick fan).

right... I equally dont understand the attitude that because something immensely rare happening one place means it can happen in another. Also KG waived it after being convinced by Paul Pierce, and waived it again when the Brooklyn situation was a total disaster. KG waiving his clause does not mean "it happens."

Got any other examples? Is there anything in the KG situation that resembles ours? Pretty sure the answer is a big NO to both, but feel free to write a few paragraphs. If you are thinking up trade scenarios with Melo you must have time on your hands. Entertain us...

No-trade clauses are by definition, rare. So you criticize the KG situation as being "rare" or an exception to the rule seems....misguided. Aside from him, I can only think of Kobe who has one....maybe Duncan on the Spurs. And if that is the case, then no-trade clauses have been waived 33%-50% of the time, which isn't exactly a "rare" occurrence.

ok, how about common sense? Why did Melo sign a contract to play in NY?

At least make these stupid proposals a viable destination, and there is really only 1... LA. Do you really think he's waiving his clause to play in Utah or some of these other places? Is that common sense? Waste of time and space.

Dude, calm your ass down. If views that differ from your own are so upsetting then maybe a forum for the exchange of ideas isn't for you.

To answer your question, Melo re-signed here because it was the more financially viable option. He managed to get higher annual raises, an additional year to his contract and immediate access to the largest economic market on the face of the Earth ALL gauranteed. Simply put, we were a sound business decision especially for a guy entering the twilight of his career and whose body is about to pull an Amar'e. I also think that the idea of playing for Phil Jackson made him feel a bit more optimistic about us being competitive. But given Melo's track record, money and the bright lights are what is appealing to him (which is why he left a better DEN team to come here via trade instead of free agency).

The NTC was not some act of undying loyalty for the franchise on his part, it was a means to ensure that his fascination with the "bright lights", the only element of his contract that was NOT guaranteed, could be maintained even if it wasn't in NY. Now, he has the ability to pick where he wants to go with his gauranteed money. And fortunately for him, there are other cities that break about even with us given their financial markets AND ability to be a contender. Like you mentioned LAC is one of them. I also think that MIA and CHI, the 4th and 3rd largest markets in the country, have a puncher's chance as well. All 3 teams can produce compelling packages that would allow them to still be a contender if they traded for him and have the spare assets to satisfy us. Outside of those 3, I don't see Melo going anywhere. But those 3 are compelling enough where I think it would happen when we are ready to pull the plug.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, Shved is under contract in Russia for 3 years with no opt out. Time to let that one go.

did that stop the Germans when they bombed Perl Harbor?

You mean Japan?

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo trades are as equally entertaining as threads regarding who we will pick if we make the lottery. Both an equal waste of time.

I never understood that attiude. People in your camp pretend that NTCs can't be waived. KG had two and was traded both times despite him being emmensely loyal. Needless to say, Melo can and hopefully will be dealt (stated by a huge Melo fan that is a bigger Knick fan).

right... I equally dont understand the attitude that because something immensely rare happening one place means it can happen in another. Also KG waived it after being convinced by Paul Pierce, and waived it again when the Brooklyn situation was a total disaster. KG waiving his clause does not mean "it happens."

Got any other examples? Is there anything in the KG situation that resembles ours? Pretty sure the answer is a big NO to both, but feel free to write a few paragraphs. If you are thinking up trade scenarios with Melo you must have time on your hands. Entertain us...

fish - congratulations on regaining exclusive control of the Fish moniker with only a slight reference to a past Knick coach.

Be careful lest you end up like him- tossed out like yesterdays Briggs thread of instanta fix knick roster overnight transformation into G State 2.0 East.

I will say I think we should be smart to evaluate trade scenarios at the deadline that involve us considering selling assets in return for long term prospects. I'd even consider trading Porzingas if the deal was obscene enough - think Boston and all their draft picks.

Is a Melo trade likely? No. I wish, because I think he has too many miles on his body to remain healthy and productive enough over the life of his contract.

Hope I'm wrong!

does this forum ban posters? you said the ineffable

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Guys who have to go

Carmelo--various reasons and I think we can still get back a decent haul

Lopez--liked the way he ahs played at times good guy --but I need the cap space and I think he can bring assets--also I dont thin he and kp fit.This is why we are getting off to bad starts.

D Will--He may opt out and he may be trade able for a 2nd rounder why--he doesnt pass and cant shoot the 3 although he has value as a 7th/8th man--just not here.

Calderon--decent player not for this team going 4ward probably have to waive and stretch him for the cap space.

Oquinn--just doesnt fit--but his 4mm per year makes him movable.

KOQ and Lopez just signed to be here for specific reasons. You have no concern about trading guys in the first year of a 4 year deal? You do understand how that looks to potential FAs? You understand these are people and they talk to other people that have the same job?

Nope I could care less--its part of taking in big salaries.

Chandler wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo trades are as equally entertaining as threads regarding who we will pick if we make the lottery. Both an equal waste of time.

I never understood that attiude. People in your camp pretend that NTCs can't be waived. KG had two and was traded both times despite him being emmensely loyal. Needless to say, Melo can and hopefully will be dealt (stated by a huge Melo fan that is a bigger Knick fan).

right... I equally dont understand the attitude that because something immensely rare happening one place means it can happen in another. Also KG waived it after being convinced by Paul Pierce, and waived it again when the Brooklyn situation was a total disaster. KG waiving his clause does not mean "it happens."

Got any other examples? Is there anything in the KG situation that resembles ours? Pretty sure the answer is a big NO to both, but feel free to write a few paragraphs. If you are thinking up trade scenarios with Melo you must have time on your hands. Entertain us...

fish - congratulations on regaining exclusive control of the Fish moniker with only a slight reference to a past Knick coach.

Be careful lest you end up like him- tossed out like yesterdays Briggs thread of instanta fix knick roster overnight transformation into G State 2.0 East.

I will say I think we should be smart to evaluate trade scenarios at the deadline that involve us considering selling assets in return for long term prospects. I'd even consider trading Porzingas if the deal was obscene enough - think Boston and all their draft picks.

Is a Melo trade likely? No. I wish, because I think he has too many miles on his body to remain healthy and productive enough over the life of his contract.

Hope I'm wrong!

does this forum ban posters? you said the ineffable

LOL, everyone has a pricetag in the NBA. Should the Pelicans decide to jettison their big contracts, along with Anthony Davis and rebuild...I'd be willing to pony up Porzingis....if I wanted to win-now. Add Russell Westbrook in 2017 and you have the makings for a young, gimmicky contender, lol.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:Melo trades are as equally entertaining as threads regarding who we will pick if we make the lottery. Both an equal waste of time.

I never understood that attiude. People in your camp pretend that NTCs can't be waived. KG had two and was traded both times despite him being emmensely loyal. Needless to say, Melo can and hopefully will be dealt (stated by a huge Melo fan that is a bigger Knick fan).

right... I equally dont understand the attitude that because something immensely rare happening one place means it can happen in another. Also KG waived it after being convinced by Paul Pierce, and waived it again when the Brooklyn situation was a total disaster. KG waiving his clause does not mean "it happens."

Got any other examples? Is there anything in the KG situation that resembles ours? Pretty sure the answer is a big NO to both, but feel free to write a few paragraphs. If you are thinking up trade scenarios with Melo you must have time on your hands. Entertain us...

No-trade clauses are by definition, rare. So you criticize the KG situation as being "rare" or an exception to the rule seems....misguided. Aside from him, I can only think of Kobe who has one....maybe Duncan on the Spurs. And if that is the case, then no-trade clauses have been waived 33%-50% of the time, which isn't exactly a "rare" occurrence.

ok, how about common sense? Why did Melo sign a contract to play in NY?

At least make these stupid proposals a viable destination, and there is really only 1... LA. Do you really think he's waiving his clause to play in Utah or some of these other places? Is that common sense? Waste of time and space.

Dude, calm your ass down. If views that differ from your own are so upsetting then maybe a forum for the exchange of ideas isn't for you.

To answer your question, Melo re-signed here because it was the more financially viable option. He managed to get higher annual raises, an additional year to his contract and immediate access to the largest economic market on the face of the Earth ALL gauranteed. Simply put, we were a sound business decision especially for a guy entering the twilight of his career and whose body is about to pull an Amar'e. I also think that the idea of playing for Phil Jackson made him feel a bit more optimistic about us being competitive. But given Melo's track record, money and the bright lights are what is appealing to him (which is why he left a better DEN team to come here via trade instead of free agency).

The NTC was not some act of undying loyalty for the franchise on his part, it was a means to ensure that his fascination with the "bright lights", the only element of his contract that was NOT guaranteed, could be maintained even if it wasn't in NY. Now, he has the ability to pick where he wants to go with his gauranteed money. And fortunately for him, there are other cities that break about even with us given their financial markets AND ability to be a contender. Like you mentioned LAC is one of them. I also think that MIA and CHI, the 4th and 3rd largest markets in the country, have a puncher's chance as well. All 3 teams can produce compelling packages that would allow them to still be a contender if they traded for him and have the spare assets to satisfy us. Outside of those 3, I don't see Melo going anywhere. But those 3 are compelling enough where I think it would happen when we are ready to pull the plug.

Im calm. Its what I am asking you to do. You seem to follow the league and have some fundamental understanding of how things work, which makes the CA trade props even more puzzling.

What makes a CA trade so improbable, NTC aside? This is what puzzles me.

for Melo to leave
Needs to be attractive enough to waive his NTC
Needs to be a situation he can leave to go to and save some face. These (NYK) are his team.
Needs to be a team willing to match salaries, and remember not only does Melo make the max he has a trade kicker that jacks his salary up if traded (that cant be waived)
Needs to be a location that Melo approves for his brand, business and family. Remember his son's school and and his wife's life were big factors in ensuring he stays in NY
Needs to be a situation he has influence. Phil talked to him about firing Fisher. Melo knew about the KP draft before it happened (ask DK for a link). Melo has influence and pull with the NYK. Comfort, familiarity.

So even if he did waive his NTC, something I dont see probable at all, actually making the trade is loaded with its own challenges.

Also do you think Melo no longer believes in Phil? Do you think Melo's relationship with KP is pretend? He's got a young player with star potential he likes and trusts to lean on as he gets older...

I could kind of do this all day... there are about 1000 reasons Mell would simply shake his head no thanks.

Didnt even mention the team owner who loves Melo as well....

So thus the German's bombing Perl Harbor comment... why let logic or reason stop anything? Carry on! Lets talk Melo trades!

Dig?

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, Shved is under contract in Russia for 3 years with no opt out. Time to let that one go.

You sure about that?? I thought he can get out anytime he wants to??

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Briggs, Shved is under contract in Russia for 3 years with no opt out. Time to let that one go.

did that stop the Germans when they bombed Perl Harbor?

hahaha. I have a feeling the next few months are gonna feel like a Michael Bay movie around here - just a littttle bit of warped history and dogma.