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Finestrg
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2/9/2016  1:05 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
reub wrote:Seraphin cost us Schved. Thanks Fisher!

And if Shved were here, Fisher would still have his job as no way with him at PG to we do as bad as we've had. Kind of ironic.

Was Seraphin really a Fisher dude??

Hard to picture it, right? Even after the handful of times he played well, Fish would just bury him again. Never gave this guy a long/consistent look. I think Seraphin should be established as part of this rotation--for one, he could help us. Go-to post offense and he can protect the rim. And two--we could up his trade value. If Seraphin's a one and done guy for us this year (say Willy H. takes over this role next year), I'd like to get something for him eventually if we could.

I don't know about that. Since we have so much invested in KO, he is the dude we need to develop. We need to know what we have in this dude. He needs to be in the 10 men rotation, and allow to backup Rolo accordingly.

My rotation would be: Gallo, AA, CARMELO, KP, RoLo

Grant, Jose, Williams, Lance, KO

See, I feel the opposite. I've got Seraphin ahead of KOQ. Just a better player imho.. Not a big deal--one of the two should be established as part of the rotation.

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Finestrg
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2/9/2016  5:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2016  6:10 PM
I see Orlando Johnson was just called up by PHX. See, I like what they're doing. They're struggling, having a poor year but they're not panicking and looking for the big save-the-season homerun trade. They're staying the course, developing their young core and apparently looking to add even more young talented players to the mix (players that fit or could perhaps become tradable assets). Smart...They've really used the DL/no-risk free agency route well this year. Bryce Cotton, Cory Jefferson, Lorenzo Brown, Jordan McRae (now on his 2nd 10-day contract with the team -- dude was really ballin' in the DL. I thought he looked good against us at the Garden), and now Orlando Johnson. Nice player--I think OJ's a pro 2G... Hey man--the Suns see the need for talent and they've shown they're open to trying out different things. Bringing in talented players with little to no risk for evaluation. Bravo--I applaud what they're doing.. Now look at our situation -- open roster spot, team's gone south like a duck in winter (dropped 9 out of our last 10), we've been in need of backcourt help since before the season even began, etc. Why can't we try something like this?? There's no more realistic way for us to add talent than trying out some no-risk players.

Example -- find a way to open up a 2nd roster spot (numerous ways we could do this) and give me Russ Smith AND Terrico White on 10-day contracts. Smith's been rippin' up the DL since he joined a few weeks ago and White was just named DL player of the week...Imho, that's A LOT of talent to add for nothing, man..Slowly integrate both into the rotation, building up their PT as they go. I think both would produce and wind up showing us that they're better guards than anything we're currently featuring (maybe save for AA who I still think is a good player). One guy could be a better version of Ish Smith/Patrick Beverley; the other something close to Larry Hughes/Jason Richardson/JR Smith. All these guys need is a chance in an environment where their services are needed.. Go get me these 2 no-risk guards and make a commitment to play Seraphin more for his post offense and rim protection. I don't think that's a lot to ask, I really don't. If we committed to this, in a short time, I think we'd see some nice results -- a productive/balanced 10-man rotation, something like this:

5 - Lopez
4 - KP
3 - Melo
2 - Afflalo
1 - Galloway or Calderon take your pick (for continuity/familiarity with the other starters we've had all along)
-------------------
4/5 - Seraphin
3/4 - Derrick Williams
3 - Lance Thomas
2 - Terrico White
1 - Russ Smith

I mean why not try something like this? Wouldn't cost us anything, just a belief in the 2 guard we added, belief in Seraphin and what he could bring (dude's had some real nice moments for us this year when called upon) and some patience. D-Will/Russ Smith/Terrico White could be very exciting on that 2nd unit, I'm telling you... Smith and White could wind up being real keepers here--cheap assets we could retain for next year and beyond. Win win.

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2/9/2016  6:08 PM
Finestrg wrote:I see Orlando Johnson was just called up by PHX. See, I like what they're doing. They're struggling, having a poor year but they're not panicking and looking for the big save-the-season homerun trade. They're staying the course, developing their young core and apparently looking to add even more young talented players to the mix (players that fit or could perhaps become tradable assets). Smart...They've really used the DL/no-risk free agency route well this year. Bryce Cotton, Cory Jefferson, Lorenzo Brown, Jordan McRae (now on his 2nd 10-day contract with the team -- dude was really ballin' in the DL. I thought he looked good against us at the Garden), and now Orlando Johnson. Nice player--I think OJ's a pro 2G... Hey man--the Suns see the need for talent and they've shown they're open to trying out different things. Bringing in talented players with little to no risk for evaluation. Bravo--I applaud what they're doing.. Now look at our situation -- open roster spot, team's gone south like a duck in winter (dropped 9 out of our last 10), we've been in need of backcourt help since before the season even began, etc. Why can't we try something like this?? There's no more realistic way for us to add talent than trying out some no-risk players.

Example -- find a way to open up a 2nd roster spot (numerous ways we could do this) and give me Russ Smith AND Terrico White on 10-day contracts. Smith's been rippin' up the DL since he joined a few weeks ago and White was just named DL player of the week...Imho, that's A LOT of talent to add for nothing, man..Slowly integrate both into the rotation, building up their PT as they go. I think both would produce and wind up showing us that they're better guards than anything we're currently featuring. One guy could be a better version of Ish Smith/Patrick Beverley; the other something close to Larry Hughes/Jason Richardson/JR Smith. All these guys need is a chance in an environment where their services are needed.. Go get me these 2 no-risk guards and make a commitment to play Seraphin more for his post offense and rim protection. I don't think that's a lot to ask, I really don't. If we committed to this, in a short time, I think we'd see some nice results -- a productive/balanced 10-man rotation, something like this:

5 - Lopez
4 - KP
3 - Melo
2 - Afflalo
1 - Galloway or Calderon take your pick (for continuity/familiarity with the other starters we've had all along)
-------------------
4/5 - Seraphin
3/4 - Derrick Williams
3 - Lance Thomas
2 - Terrico White
1 - Russ Smith

I mean why not try a quick fix like this? Wouldn't cost us anything, just a belief in the 2 guard we added, belief in Seraphin and what he could bring (dude's had some real nice moments for us this year when called upon) and some patience. D-Will/Russ Smith/Terrico White could be very exciting on that 2nd unit, I'm telling you... Smith and White could wind up being keepers here--cheap assets we could retain for next year and beyond.

Russ Smith reminds me a litetle bit of Gilbert Arenas. I'd have no problem bringing him to develop. But we also need a vet to help stabilize the back court. I'm not thrilled with Brandon Jennings because his contract and it still isn't clear if he's fully recovered. Maybe someone like DJ Augustine?

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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2/9/2016  6:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2016  6:17 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Finestrg wrote:I see Orlando Johnson was just called up by PHX. See, I like what they're doing. They're struggling, having a poor year but they're not panicking and looking for the big save-the-season homerun trade. They're staying the course, developing their young core and apparently looking to add even more young talented players to the mix (players that fit or could perhaps become tradable assets). Smart...They've really used the DL/no-risk free agency route well this year. Bryce Cotton, Cory Jefferson, Lorenzo Brown, Jordan McRae (now on his 2nd 10-day contract with the team -- dude was really ballin' in the DL. I thought he looked good against us at the Garden), and now Orlando Johnson. Nice player--I think OJ's a pro 2G... Hey man--the Suns see the need for talent and they've shown they're open to trying out different things. Bringing in talented players with little to no risk for evaluation. Bravo--I applaud what they're doing.. Now look at our situation -- open roster spot, team's gone south like a duck in winter (dropped 9 out of our last 10), we've been in need of backcourt help since before the season even began, etc. Why can't we try something like this?? There's no more realistic way for us to add talent than trying out some no-risk players.

Example -- find a way to open up a 2nd roster spot (numerous ways we could do this) and give me Russ Smith AND Terrico White on 10-day contracts. Smith's been rippin' up the DL since he joined a few weeks ago and White was just named DL player of the week...Imho, that's A LOT of talent to add for nothing, man..Slowly integrate both into the rotation, building up their PT as they go. I think both would produce and wind up showing us that they're better guards than anything we're currently featuring. One guy could be a better version of Ish Smith/Patrick Beverley; the other something close to Larry Hughes/Jason Richardson/JR Smith. All these guys need is a chance in an environment where their services are needed.. Go get me these 2 no-risk guards and make a commitment to play Seraphin more for his post offense and rim protection. I don't think that's a lot to ask, I really don't. If we committed to this, in a short time, I think we'd see some nice results -- a productive/balanced 10-man rotation, something like this:

5 - Lopez
4 - KP
3 - Melo
2 - Afflalo
1 - Galloway or Calderon take your pick (for continuity/familiarity with the other starters we've had all along)
-------------------
4/5 - Seraphin
3/4 - Derrick Williams
3 - Lance Thomas
2 - Terrico White
1 - Russ Smith

I mean why not try a quick fix like this? Wouldn't cost us anything, just a belief in the 2 guard we added, belief in Seraphin and what he could bring (dude's had some real nice moments for us this year when called upon) and some patience. D-Will/Russ Smith/Terrico White could be very exciting on that 2nd unit, I'm telling you... Smith and White could wind up being keepers here--cheap assets we could retain for next year and beyond.

Russ Smith reminds me a litetle bit of Gilbert Arenas. I'd have no problem bringing him to develop. But we also need a vet to help stabilize the back court. I'm not thrilled with Brandon Jennings because his contract and it still isn't clear if he's fully recovered. Maybe someone like DJ Augustine?

Arenas was a little bigger but I can see where you're coming from. Talented/shifty offensive-minded guard. 2nd round pick too if I recall. No one expected too much out of Arenas at the time he was drafted. Someone gave him a chance and he took the baton and ran with it. Why couldn't Russ Smith or Terrico White have the same path to success? I think they could. They're certainly talented enough..

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