GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:EnySpree wrote:GustavBahler wrote:EnySpree wrote:GustavBahler wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Araton: 
Not so obvious to everyone here.
Who Patrick Star?
Plenty of posters here were defending this system to the bitter end. Pretty sure you knew that.
I'm defending the system. I think what we are doing out there is a good thing. Fisher was fired because of his short comings. If we continue on this path and keep improving we'll be fine. Phil has a short list of disciplines to call on. Luke Walton just is the hottest name. Kerr did fine last year. Brian Shaw is a Decent coach. Rambis isn't a slouch either. Nothing to worry about in my opinion.
Then I dont get your post because the article spoke of its limitations. Kerr didnt use it, Shaw would be a disaster (See the Walton agent thread for my reason) Ive been saying since Fisher got here that he hasnt made a case to stay beyond this season, so Im not giving Fisher a pass by any means. It also repeats what Ive been saying since day one and that is that Phil should have done more to mentor Fisher, and Phil said that to the media today and to Fisher.
I believe we should get the best coach available, the best fit regardless of whether or not its Triangle based. Give the coach the last word.
I don't know about giving the coach the last word unless he's won a title. WTF would any of these coaches know better than Phil in terms of how to win? Bulls had some horrid offense under Thibs but they were great defensively. I think too many people are basing their view of the Triangle only on how poorly it's looked at times with the Knicks under Fisher and with a new roster. There was a point 10 games ago where the team was 22-22 and playing well and then the injuries hit and things went off the rails. Fish couldn't get it right but that doesn't mean it's the systems fault.
No other President forces a system on a coach that no one else in the league uses, and apparently wont hire anyone who hasnt, so I dont know how the **** you are suggesting that this is a other day at the office. If Phil wants this system to work, he should have been either more hands on or he should do it himself if he wants it done right.
Phil gave Fish his top assistants who won titles with him and know all that's needed to know, plus he had Phil at his disposal, but it seems Fish chose not to really make full use of those resources. Now Rambis gets a chance to get this right so Phil's plan is still in effect unless Rambis fails miserably and proves he doesn't deserve the job.
You seem to think that there's only one way to do things as a GM when in fact there is not hard and fast rule on that. Phil has his views on how he wants the franchise to run and he's building his team in a very specific direction and wants to play system basketball. He has a chosen system but has said over and over that his coach can tweak it as long as it's not ISO ball with no motion. That leaves a boatload of options for any coach. If it came down to Thibs, he doesn't even have a good offense of his own. I would think he'd be open to running the Triangle or some variation and to also learn some things from Phil.
Funny how you repeatedly ignore Phil's own words when he says that he should have done more to help Fisher, when you take everything else he says as Gospel. Phil gave a then player a multi year-deal to run an NBA team with a complicated offense with no experience and a bench full of coaches who had no success running it. Then he effectively and by his own admission, kept his distance.
You were defending Fisher when I said he hasn't shown that he is up to the job, and defending Phil when I said that he should be more hands on. Guess what happened? Fisher showed that he wasnt up to the job, and Phil admitted he should have been more hands on.
As for thinking that there is only one way to do things, thats pretty funny. Its not me who believes there is only one way to do things, its Phil. Shouldnt have to mention that.
I don't ignore Phil's own words. In fact I actually QUOTE Phil the MOST of anyone on this forum. That is verifiable. I've created threads solely on Phil's direct quotes. Regarding the Mentor thing, IMO Phil is just taking some blame but that doesn't mean it's a MAJOR factor in Fisher's failure. You're giving this far too much weight. He said he MAY have not done enough to mentor him, but it wasn't really definitive as in he was taking full blame. He said there were lines of communication and that often it was One Way, meaning he said something to Fish in an email and often that was it. He talked about a meeting he called after a bad loss. Seems to me that there were a lot of factors.
Phil took some blame with regard to the mentoring thing but said that part of the blame was the players, Part injuries and just plain bad luck too and he said that he surrounded Fish with experienced Assistants and if Fish didn't take advantage of that, he said maybe that's part of it. He mentioned that there wasn't consensus with the staff and that he felt they needed that. Phil wasn't saying that Fish was a terrible coach. He actually said there was a period where they saw that the team was doing well and competing. The losing was what pushed it over the edge.
As for your statements about you knowing Fish was not up for the job, what would you be saying if Melo never stepped on that official or any of the other injuries that followed and the team did get over .500 as they were primed to do if they stayed healthy? Fish doesn't get fired if they were still playing well, as they were at that point before the injuries. Don't act like you had it all figured out when there were a lot of factors that led to this point. If the team had not gone thru those injuries, it still doesn't make Fish a good coach or erase his issues with his staff and players but the team was playing so much better before the injuries and at that time no one was talking about Fisher being fired. The talk was about the team getting to the next level.
Carmelo Anthony went down after coming into contact with a referee in the second quarter of the New York Knicks game against the Boston Celtics on Tuesday. Near midcourt after a missed shot, Anthony fell to the court after appearing to turn his ankle. He stayed on the court in pain briefly before walking off the court and to the locker room under his own power, albeit gingerly.Anthony has been playing great basketball as of late, leading the Knicks to new heights with great passing and leadership. The veteran is averaging 21.7 points, 7.7 rebounds and 3.8 assists per game this season. Heading into the matchup with the Celtics on Tuesday, the Knicks were 19-20 having won four of their last five games.
Along with rookie Kristaps Porzingis, Anthony has helped turn around a Knicks team that had the worst record in the East last season at 17-65.
Then Melo went down and it all went to hell. When you lose no one will put up with your crap and that's what happened to Fish. Also as they say the coach is the easiest move to make when things are going bad.
