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yellowboy90
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2/8/2016  5:47 PM
Next move should be to get an actual shooting coach. Also, who would have thought a red's shoe could change so much.
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2/8/2016  5:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2016  5:50 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He said he's not trading Melo. Besides, have you seen this team play without Melo? It can't win. He fired Fisher for not being able to win. So winning now is clearly important to Phil. If he traded Melo, that would go against the reason he fired Fisher to begin with.

He didn't say he's not trading Melo. He said Melo had a no trade clause.

He also said he liked the way they played better when Melo was out.


He said Melo and KP are off the table. However you interpret it. And knicks are winless without Melo, i will remind you. Phil said he wants to win.

He said "we have several players who are off the table." He never said who they were.

He mentioned KP and Melo by name. After that, said nothing specific.
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2/8/2016  5:49 PM
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He said he's not trading Melo. Besides, have you seen this team play without Melo? It can't win. He fired Fisher for not being able to win. So winning now is clearly important to Phil. If he traded Melo, that would go against the reason he fired Fisher to begin with.

He didn't say he's not trading Melo. He said Melo had a no trade clause.

He also said he liked the way they played better when Melo was out.


He said Melo and KP are off the table. However you interpret it. And knicks are winless without Melo, i will remind you. Phil said he wants to win.

He said "we have several players who are off the table." He never said who they were.

He mentioned KP and Melo by name. After that, said nothing specific.

The article in the first post literally outlines how he didn't actually say that.

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crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He said he's not trading Melo. Besides, have you seen this team play without Melo? It can't win. He fired Fisher for not being able to win. So winning now is clearly important to Phil. If he traded Melo, that would go against the reason he fired Fisher to begin with.

He didn't say he's not trading Melo. He said Melo had a no trade clause.

He also said he liked the way they played better when Melo was out.


He said Melo and KP are off the table. However you interpret it. And knicks are winless without Melo, i will remind you. Phil said he wants to win.

He said "we have several players who are off the table." He never said who they were.

He mentioned KP and Melo by name. After that, said nothing specific.

The article in the first post literally outlines how he didn't actually say that.

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer


Phil Jackson was asked which players were unavailable on the trade market and mentioned Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis by name.
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Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Knixkik wrote:He said he's not trading Melo. Besides, have you seen this team play without Melo? It can't win. He fired Fisher for not being able to win. So winning now is clearly important to Phil. If he traded Melo, that would go against the reason he fired Fisher to begin with.

He didn't say he's not trading Melo. He said Melo had a no trade clause.

He also said he liked the way they played better when Melo was out.


He said Melo and KP are off the table. However you interpret it. And knicks are winless without Melo, i will remind you. Phil said he wants to win.

He said "we have several players who are off the table." He never said who they were.

He mentioned KP and Melo by name. After that, said nothing specific.

The article in the first post literally outlines how he didn't actually say that.

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer


Phil Jackson was asked which players were unavailable on the trade market and mentioned Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis by name.

The article in the first post parses Jackson's actual quotes. It's the entire point of the article. Which is the entire point of this thread. Begley is wrong. And not a great writer.

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2/8/2016  5:53 PM
He has no idea what hes doing other than collecting hefty checks.
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2/8/2016  5:55 PM
BRIGGS wrote:He has no idea what hes doing other than collecting hefty checks.

Who are you talking about? Phil?
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2/8/2016  5:56 PM
BRIGGS wrote:He has no idea what hes doing other than collecting hefty checks.

That's a pretty absurd statement.

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2/8/2016  7:07 PM
Melo is off the table unless he sees the light and wants elsewhere. His buddy is C Paul and having a big man in the hole who shoots a very high % will help. Melo can board but he won't in two years as knees already cranky. I'd take Griffin. They'd want Afflalo in the deal and want us to take Lance. That's not a deal killer.
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2/9/2016  10:52 AM
crzymdups wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I wondered this, too. When asked in the press conference if he would trade Melo, he said "it's well known that Melo has a no trade clause."

That's not exactly - "we ain't trading Melo." It's more a hint that it'd be difficult and have to be mutual.

It's also worth pointing out that he mentioned two different times how much he liked how they played when Melo was out.

Interesting.

Me too. I've said this a few times, but if the clips decide to move griffin, the clips make a lot of sense for Melo- bring in the Celtics and everyone gets what they need.

Yeah, I think that Blake / Melo trade makes a ton of sense. If only we had our own pick this year, with Blake out with a broken hand we could tank a little and get a lotto pick and next season have lotto pick, Blake, KP year 2. Sigh.

I don't love Blake, but he's a good passer, mid-range shooter, and would be a perfect Triangle player.

It would give Melo the chance to play with CP3 and DeAndre and maybe compete for a chip for the next 2-3 years.

It's a trade I'd consider. From a basketball perspective, it makes a ton of sense.

....I bet if we approach Toronto with Blake Griffin that we could certainly get our pick and assets back.....
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2/9/2016  3:32 PM
crzymdups wrote:Melo assists per game by month:

November 3.0

December 4.1

January 5.2

February 6.3

Literally going up an assist per month and he's at a career high right now.


while I like those stats, the knicks have also not won a game in February.
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2/9/2016  3:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I was just going to post this. Phil was given an opportunity to praise Melo and he went the other way in my opinion.

Yeah, I think knowing Phil he was either trying to motivate Melo or weighing trading him.

Phil does motivate guys like this a bit. He did it with Kobe all the time.

Also, remember in July right before Summer League he compared Porzingis to Shawn Bradley? Motivation up the wazoo right there!

You don't know Phil. None of us do. He plays with the media, so they don't know him.
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Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I was just going to post this. Phil was given an opportunity to praise Melo and he went the other way in my opinion.

Yeah, I think knowing Phil he was either trying to motivate Melo or weighing trading him.

Phil does motivate guys like this a bit. He did it with Kobe all the time.

Also, remember in July right before Summer League he compared Porzingis to Shawn Bradley? Motivation up the wazoo right there!

You don't know Phil. None of us do. He plays with the media, so they don't know him.

I know how Phil calls out his players in the media to motivate them because I have observed him doing it over a 25yr period.

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2/9/2016  5:40 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I was just going to post this. Phil was given an opportunity to praise Melo and he went the other way in my opinion.

Yeah, I think knowing Phil he was either trying to motivate Melo or weighing trading him.

Phil does motivate guys like this a bit. He did it with Kobe all the time.

Also, remember in July right before Summer League he compared Porzingis to Shawn Bradley? Motivation up the wazoo right there!

You don't know Phil. None of us do. He plays with the media, so they don't know him.

I know how Phil calls out his players in the media to motivate them because I have observed him doing it over a 25yr period.

That's common knowledge
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gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I was just going to post this. Phil was given an opportunity to praise Melo and he went the other way in my opinion.

Yeah, I think knowing Phil he was either trying to motivate Melo or weighing trading him.

Phil does motivate guys like this a bit. He did it with Kobe all the time.

Also, remember in July right before Summer League he compared Porzingis to Shawn Bradley? Motivation up the wazoo right there!

You don't know Phil. None of us do. He plays with the media, so they don't know him.

I know how Phil calls out his players in the media to motivate them because I have observed him doing it over a 25yr period.

That's common knowledge

Nalod does not seem to think so

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2/9/2016  11:16 PM
Finally we had a coach who was getting thru to Melo. This is the first time in his entire career that Melo had played the type of basketball that can make him a truly great player as opposed to a selfish ball hog. His assists were on the up and this was all positive. That to me was transformational.

The team clearly doesn't have the depth/talent to make sustained playoff push.so it's a bit of headscratcher this firing. Is it in preparation for a roster makeover including a Melo trade? Or is he just looking to solidify the coaching position by making a more long term appointment that Fisher clearly wasn't. The next head coach we hire will be instructive indeed.

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2/9/2016  11:28 PM
Not having Fisher didn't exactly change Melo.
He played even better tonight. Got the ball in spots closer to the basket.
Our offense was consistent most of the game.

I think Phil wants to trade Melo only if he can't get someone in more immediate to make a run. Which means free agency this summer is important. Melo to his credit has truly become a quality leader and teammate. Tonight for instance, after Galloway made a bad pass in the last minute, Melo went after to him smiled and patted him. Right after Gallo hits a 3. That's a leader keeping his teammates spirits high.

If we can give him, KP and this team a point guard/ballhandling guard who can play at a high level, Melo will be in the playoffs next season. If not, we should think about trading him.
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2/9/2016  11:35 PM
Phil has been under some heat lately. He was probably just pointing out that the players he brought to NY werent dependent on Melo to play well. Probably knows there will be more opportunities this summer to trade Melo (with his approval) if thats Phil's wish.
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2/10/2016  11:09 AM
Jax ego and gibberish is already tiresome. He comes off as one of these blowharrts who has bought into his higher station. If anything Melo's play should have been recognized and lauded instead of downplayed. You dont motivate a lead player who is doing what is asked or increase his shine to others by tarnishing what he has done.. Team is obvious lesser without him , this is all about Jax trying to play up his acquisitions as Gustav said. If his knee werent a issue, other contending teams including Cleveland would be considering trading for him because he has shown himself to be more than just a prime scorer. I wish we had somehow lured Riley here instead of this "higher consciousness"
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2/10/2016  2:34 PM
crzymdups wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I was just going to post this. Phil was given an opportunity to praise Melo and he went the other way in my opinion.

Yeah, I think knowing Phil he was either trying to motivate Melo or weighing trading him.

Phil does motivate guys like this a bit. He did it with Kobe all the time.

Also, remember in July right before Summer League he compared Porzingis to Shawn Bradley? Motivation up the wazoo right there!

You don't know Phil. None of us do. He plays with the media, so they don't know him.

I know how Phil calls out his players in the media to motivate them because I have observed him doing it over a 25yr period.

That's common knowledge

Nalod does not seem to think so

I read Phils books. I know he has called out players over his career.

Was playing on your words. Like your "Own personal Jesus", you have your "I think knowing Phil.......)

In july was he comparing him to Bradley, or voicing concern that some players generically play too "Big", and thus lose effectiveness.
Was he being honest or motivational?
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