ChuckBuck wrote:File this into what loser coaches say. Wonder if Dolan will intervene at some point, or will let Phil continue to steer this ship.

We really can't move forward with Fisher as coach, he's all rah rah, no X and O's or coaching in his blood.

This "leader of men" really isn't doing a good job. Roster sucks a little less than last year, but some of his coaching decisions, substitions, and "hunches" are just plain terrible.

Let's see...Seraphim hasn't played in 10 games, let's throw him out there and see what happens!

Scrub Zeller is killing us, let's insert KP, who's probabaly the Knicks best overall defender, when the lead is 10 points!

Just a horrible coach, no matter how you slice it.

Yeah cause we were much better off when Dolan was running things...lol and please tell me which one of KOQ or Amundson would you of put in instead of Seraphin?? LOL All he can do is play the players he has so tell me what you think he should of done?? I can't wait for this.

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:I could care less about the playoffs this year but I really not crazy about the process.

That's because the real question is are we spending our money wisely? From maxing Melo out, to trading for Calderon to overpaying Lopez(albeit he is somewhat earning it with his play of late Eventhough he is far from a defensive stopper). These moves lead to us acquiring flawed discount rack players like AA, KOQ & Serafin. When we should either held on to our cap flexibility for guys like Conley/Batum/Derozan or acquire 1st round picks to hopefully land a stud guard.

Make no mistake. These moves were made with the intention of making the playoffs. You don't spend all you cap money on stop gaps. Lance Thomas is a stop gap player. He costed us nothing.

Basically we will be looking at a 3rd reset next year and the only guys who are a lock to be here are Melo, KP, Galloway & most likely Lopez. Willie will come on the cheap. Maybe Thanasis improves and the. You better hope those FA's are attracted to our situation. If not I would start trading everyone not named KP for high 1st rd picks before I start spending cap space on more stop gap(in other words garbage players) I don't want to hear for the 4th time that the 2017 free agency will be crucial for this team.

In other words, Fisher is not great and has a lot to learn but this roster is garbage especially at guard. We didn't do enough with our cap space and it pains me to say it but it falls on Phil. But he's Phil so I will continue to support him because I truly believe he will get it right eventually. There is no one else I would trust to start building a Pops/Riley winning culture and front office.

So funny how quick some fans are to turn on everything they were saying good things about when we were playing really good up until Melo stepped on that refs foot. Everyone was loving this team during that stretch but now that you see that we aren't that great of a team people quickly jump ship. Hahahahaha

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:I could care less about the playoffs this year but I really not crazy about the process.

That's because the real question is are we spending our money wisely? From maxing Melo out, to trading for Calderon to overpaying Lopez(albeit he is somewhat earning it with his play of late Eventhough he is far from a defensive stopper). These moves lead to us acquiring flawed discount rack players like AA, KOQ & Serafin. When we should either held on to our cap flexibility for guys like Conley/Batum/Derozan or acquire 1st round picks to hopefully land a stud guard.

Make no mistake. These moves were made with the intention of making the playoffs. You don't spend all you cap money on stop gaps. Lance Thomas is a stop gap player. He costed us nothing.

Basically we will be looking at a 3rd reset next year and the only guys who are a lock to be here are Melo, KP, Galloway & most likely Lopez. Willie will come on the cheap. Maybe Thanasis improves and the. You better hope those FA's are attracted to our situation. If not I would start trading everyone not named KP for high 1st rd picks before I start spending cap space on more stop gap(in other words garbage players) I don't want to hear for the 4th time that the 2017 free agency will be crucial for this team.

In other words, Fisher is not great and has a lot to learn but this roster is garbage especially at guard. We didn't do enough with our cap space and it pains me to say it but it falls on Phil. But he's Phil so I will continue to support him because I truly believe he will get it right eventually. There is no one else I would trust to start building a Pops/Riley winning culture and front office.

Is the roster garbage, is the system garbage or not condusive to the players, is the coaching staff garbage, who consistently go away from things that work.

If you think your going to attract anyone of an elite status, to a failing system, you have your priorities mixed up.

They'll be more 2nd tier "not so good players" to come this off season. I mean little less then 12 months ago, no elite talent gave the knicks a 2nd look.

Rookie coach who hasn't shown much improvement is worried about the process..Fisher will be fired or he's not the attraction that FA will coming running to play for.

I don't care what system you run. You are not going to win or be competive every night with this crop of guards

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

What talent?
Melo... KP... what else?
Not much more than last year.

Melo was out for half a season last year. Melo (playing his best ball) KP (ROY candidate) Lance Thomas (maybe 6th man of the year or most improved player) DWill who has been great off the bench. Lopez who has been the best low post defender we have had in eons. There is enough talent on this squad to make the playoffs.

KP rookie of the year candidate with not much competition and KAT is gonna win it. DW does absolutely nothing else besides slam the ball and get to the free throw line and even that has been missing from his game when we needed him most like when Melo was out he stunk. We have Melo, KP Rolo and a bunch of bench players that are all inconsistent players and don't show up when needed most. I do think that we could have be a playoff team but also wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

KP is one of the best big men to come out of this draft in a decade, who cares if there wasnt much competition? Williams is instant offense and gets this team to play faster which is what Fisher wants. Thomas and Williams are two good bench players, two of the most improved players this season. Thomas is in the running for 6th man of the year.

For someone who doesnt like any negativity about the team, you're doing a great job of selling them short.

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:this franchise is rebuilding. it's nice to win as many games as possible, but in the end, we have many young pieces that need time and development, which is more important right now. we're not winning a championship this year, so to me player development is much more important.

They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. KP and Grant are getting their opportunities. Its not about giving the rooks enough playing time, its about what Fisher does with the rest of the roster. Thats why I believe its a cop out to say this before the all star break with a relatively healthy roster.

Developing players is also about developing a winning attitude through adversity. Dont believe Fisher is doing that when he talks about process. No one's growth is being stunted by trying to make the playoffs in this situation. Giving Grant and Porzingis a taste of the playoffs would be great for their development, win or lose.

i agree generally with what you are saying, but i don't think fisher is doing a poor job of developing a winning attitude for the franchise. we are in every single game that we are playing, even when KP and melo have been out. the team is playing hard for fisher, which i think says alot. fisher has had his growing pains, just like any young coach, but i think overall he's done a good job. the team plays great coming off a few days off, which to me shows that fisher knows how to gameplan. right now, we just don't have the firepower to compete with top teams, but hopefully nurturing these young guys we have, while turn that around. and using our capspace haha.

newyorker4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:I could care less about the playoffs this year but I really not crazy about the process.

That's because the real question is are we spending our money wisely? From maxing Melo out, to trading for Calderon to overpaying Lopez(albeit he is somewhat earning it with his play of late Eventhough he is far from a defensive stopper). These moves lead to us acquiring flawed discount rack players like AA, KOQ & Serafin. When we should either held on to our cap flexibility for guys like Conley/Batum/Derozan or acquire 1st round picks to hopefully land a stud guard.

Make no mistake. These moves were made with the intention of making the playoffs. You don't spend all you cap money on stop gaps. Lance Thomas is a stop gap player. He costed us nothing.

Basically we will be looking at a 3rd reset next year and the only guys who are a lock to be here are Melo, KP, Galloway & most likely Lopez. Willie will come on the cheap. Maybe Thanasis improves and the. You better hope those FA's are attracted to our situation. If not I would start trading everyone not named KP for high 1st rd picks before I start spending cap space on more stop gap(in other words garbage players) I don't want to hear for the 4th time that the 2017 free agency will be crucial for this team.

In other words, Fisher is not great and has a lot to learn but this roster is garbage especially at guard. We didn't do enough with our cap space and it pains me to say it but it falls on Phil. But he's Phil so I will continue to support him because I truly believe he will get it right eventually. There is no one else I would trust to start building a Pops/Riley winning culture and front office.

So funny how quick some fans are to turn on everything they were saying good things about when we were playing really good up until Melo stepped on that refs foot. Everyone was loving this team during that stretch but now that you see that we aren't that great of a team people quickly jump ship. Hahahahaha

He ran this group into the ground with his 9 man rotation, so yeah, he wasn't worried about the process, he was worried about winning and getting a playoff spot. Except, there is no way he could sustain the effort with a 9 man rotation so now that we are losing, it's the process that is important? This coach is heading into a collision course with the media. Oh and BTW, I predicted Fisher and the Triangle offense would in the crosshairs of the media by the AS break over the summer, so it's really no surprise to me. Fifty games into the season, there are no more excuses for the coach, system and roster to hide behind. It is going to get ugly because they are going to keep losing going into the break. The rest will help a lot, but the schedule just doesn't get any easier. expect more losses, lots of them

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:this franchise is rebuilding. it's nice to win as many games as possible, but in the end, we have many young pieces that need time and development, which is more important right now. we're not winning a championship this year, so to me player development is much more important.

They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. KP and Grant are getting their opportunities. Its not about giving the rooks enough playing time, its about what Fisher does with the rest of the roster. Thats why I believe its a cop out to say this before the all star break with a relatively healthy roster.

Developing players is also about developing a winning attitude through adversity. Dont believe Fisher is doing that when he talks about process. No one's growth is being stunted by trying to make the playoffs in this situation. Giving Grant and Porzingis a taste of the playoffs would be great for their development, win or lose.

Answer this. Do the players play hard?? I already know the answer which is yes they do play hard. Tell me a bad coach that has his players playing hard for him every game?? After you joke and say D.Fisher then get serious and tell me one.

Have already covered this ground before. This is his first gig. Fisher has shown the makings of a great assistant coach. A coach who gets them to play hard, stay positive, but that doesnt necessarily make you a great or even good head coach if you dont know how to make the most of what talent you have. I have yet to see that with any consistency.