GustavBahler wrote:Would rather wait for the cap room to free up than trade a player who's in his prime and doing exactly what we need him to do in the front court. I would only be interested in trading for a another player in his prime, like Cousins, and Lopez was part of the package.

would definitely rather have horford than cousins

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would rather wait for the cap room to free up than trade a player who's in his prime and doing exactly what we need him to do in the front court. I would only be interested in trading for a another player in his prime, like Cousins, and Lopez was part of the package.

would definitely rather have horford than cousins

Cousins is the best big man in the league right now and just 25. He is worth the risk IMO. Didnt feel that way until he showed he could keep his emotions in check when he played for Team USA, Coach K raved about him.

not a cousins fan. Head case, does not win, chucks too much and is not efficient enough. defense eh ....

I don't buy his hype. many bigs that I would take before him.

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would rather wait for the cap room to free up than trade a player who's in his prime and doing exactly what we need him to do in the front court. I would only be interested in trading for a another player in his prime, like Cousins, and Lopez was part of the package.

would definitely rather have horford than cousins

Cousins is the best big man in the league right now and just 25. He is worth the risk IMO. Didnt feel that way until he showed he could keep his emotions in check when he played for Team USA, Coach K raved about him.

not a cousins fan. Head case, does not win, chucks too much and is not efficient enough. defense eh ....

I don't buy his hype. many bigs that I would take before him.

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would rather wait for the cap room to free up than trade a player who's in his prime and doing exactly what we need him to do in the front court. I would only be interested in trading for a another player in his prime, like Cousins, and Lopez was part of the package.

would definitely rather have horford than cousins

Cousins is the best big man in the league right now and just 25. He is worth the risk IMO. Didnt feel that way until he showed he could keep his emotions in check when he played for Team USA, Coach K raved about him.

not a cousins fan. Head case, does not win, chucks too much and is not efficient enough. defense eh ....

I don't buy his hype. many bigs that I would take before him.

Agreed. There was a 538 article on him recently. He puts up a lot of points because he's a usage monster. The ball has to always be in his hands. He has a higher usage rate than Wilt Chamberlain had the year he averaged over 50 points a game! Averaging 27 points on 44% shooting (.538 TS%) and 4 turnovers a game doesn't really impress me.

He is only 25, plenty of time to make him a more efficient player. If it was a PG we were talking about I would feel differently. KP is the only player I wouldnt trade for Cousins.

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would rather wait for the cap room to free up than trade a player who's in his prime and doing exactly what we need him to do in the front court. I would only be interested in trading for a another player in his prime, like Cousins, and Lopez was part of the package.

would definitely rather have horford than cousins

Cousins is the best big man in the league right now and just 25. He is worth the risk IMO. Didnt feel that way until he showed he could keep his emotions in check when he played for Team USA, Coach K raved about him.

not a cousins fan. Head case, does not win, chucks too much and is not efficient enough. defense eh ....

I don't buy his hype. many bigs that I would take before him.

Agreed. There was a 538 article on him recently. He puts up a lot of points because he's a usage monster. The ball has to always be in his hands. He has a higher usage rate than Wilt Chamberlain had the year he averaged over 50 points a game! Averaging 27 points on 44% shooting (.538 TS%) and 4 turnovers a game doesn't really impress me.

He is only 25, plenty of time to make him a more efficient player. If it was a PG we were talking about I would feel differently. KP is the only player I wouldnt trade for Cousins.

This is where the statistics and fan perception usually disagree. At 25 and in his sixth season, he should already be at his peak based on the statistical analyses, and a major change would be unlikely.

Cousins is already 9th in the league in player efficiency this season, looks like something to build on.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would rather wait for the cap room to free up than trade a player who's in his prime and doing exactly what we need him to do in the front court. I would only be interested in trading for a another player in his prime, like Cousins, and Lopez was part of the package.

would definitely rather have horford than cousins

Cousins is the best big man in the league right now and just 25. He is worth the risk IMO. Didnt feel that way until he showed he could keep his emotions in check when he played for Team USA, Coach K raved about him.

not a cousins fan. Head case, does not win, chucks too much and is not efficient enough. defense eh ....

I don't buy his hype. many bigs that I would take before him.

Agreed. There was a 538 article on him recently. He puts up a lot of points because he's a usage monster. The ball has to always be in his hands. He has a higher usage rate than Wilt Chamberlain had the year he averaged over 50 points a game! Averaging 27 points on 44% shooting (.538 TS%) and 4 turnovers a game doesn't really impress me.

He is only 25, plenty of time to make him a more efficient player. If it was a PG we were talking about I would feel differently. KP is the only player I wouldnt trade for Cousins.

This is where the statistics and fan perception usually disagree. At 25 and in his sixth season, he should already be at his peak based on the statistical analyses, and a major change would be unlikely.

Cousins is already 9th in the league in player efficiency this season, looks like something to build on.

Well, very few people take PER seriously nowadays. Most of his advanced stats are mediocre.

Phil Jackson and the triangle could improve him as more efficient player. But Cousins isn't coming here so it's not worth talking about at the moment.

On a separate note

Unless we get no brainer deals. We need to stay away from the one player away mentality. GS is where they are at through accumulation. We need to invest in mutliple players who's value will improve within the tri getting them at cheaper prices. Keeping flexibility for upgrades so we can have talent and depth as the cap keeps rising.

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.

Well, you could always move Rolo for Horford to offset the impact of his salary or for backcourt help outright.

I'm sure Atlanta would rather just re-sign Horford. This deal works only if Horford demands an S & T and Atlanta wants Rolo. In that case, I'd do it though.

I never articulated as much (explicitly) but thought it was implicit (mentioned it being a sign-and-trade either in this thread or another). The idea would be to pursue Horford as an unrestricted free agent and once we get a verbal confirmation from him, look to offload Lopez either directly to the Hawks or any team willing to send assets that don't come with a cap hold (unless it involves a legitimate upgrade in the backcourt).

Why wouldn't ATL do it if Horford did commit to NYK?

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.

Well, you could always move Rolo for Horford to offset the impact of his salary or for backcourt help outright.

I'm sure Atlanta would rather just re-sign Horford. This deal works only if Horford demands an S & T and Atlanta wants Rolo. In that case, I'd do it though.

I never articulated as much (explicitly) but thought it was implicit (mentioned it being a sign-and-trade either in this thread or another). The idea would be to pursue Horford as an unrestricted free agent and once we get a verbal confirmation from him, look to offload Lopez either directly to the Hawks or any team willing to send assets that don't come with a cap hold.

Why wouldn't ATL do it if Horford did commit to NYK?

because they may not think Rolo is worth his salary. We might have to include more.

Is that your belief?

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He's an upgrade from Rolo but there's too much of a risk that he'll demand a huge contract. We need backcourt help or Durant.

Well, you could always move Rolo for Horford to offset the impact of his salary or for backcourt help outright.

I'm sure Atlanta would rather just re-sign Horford. This deal works only if Horford demands an S & T and Atlanta wants Rolo. In that case, I'd do it though.

I never articulated as much (explicitly) but thought it was implicit (mentioned it being a sign-and-trade either in this thread or another). The idea would be to pursue Horford as an unrestricted free agent and once we get a verbal confirmation from him, look to offload Lopez either directly to the Hawks or any team willing to send assets that don't come with a cap hold.

Why wouldn't ATL do it if Horford did commit to NYK?

because they may not think Rolo is worth his salary. We might have to include more.

Is that your belief?