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NardDogNation
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1/31/2016  3:44 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here's my thesis.
Let's be a seller here at the deadline anything we lose we should be able to get back with free agency money.
I think the missing piece to this team is Kay felder I think he's going to be a star and brings almost everything we don't have. I think he can make kritaps much better and seems to have great character I think he's Isiah Thomas 2 but with better pg skills. If we can trade for a 2016 first rd pick we can promise it to him as long as he does not workout for any other teams. I think this is much more doable than actually trying to trade for someone with the same talent level( the way I see it)

Haven't seen that Kay Felder kid play but I do know that Danilo Fuzaro is expected to be back in the draft this year and hasn't improved his play enough to be projected as a 1st round pick yet. I'd revisit getting a pick to use on him because he does have an intriging skillset. Hopefully he can be a poor man's Ginobili for us off the bench in the future.
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1/31/2016  4:10 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Here's my thesis.
Let's be a seller here at the deadline anything we lose we should be able to get back with free agency money.
I think the missing piece to this team is Kay felder I think he's going to be a star and brings almost everything we don't have. I think he can make kritaps much better and seems to have great character I think he's Isiah Thomas 2 but with better pg skills. If we can trade for a 2016 first rd pick we can promise it to him as long as he does not workout for any other teams. I think this is much more doable than actually trying to trade for someone with the same talent level( the way I see it)

Haven't seen that Kay Felder kid play but I do know that Danilo Fuzaro is expected to be back in the draft this year and hasn't improved his play enough to be projected as a 1st round pick yet. I'd revisit getting a pick to use on him because he does have an intriging skillset. Hopefully he can be a poor man's Ginobili for us off the bench in the future.


http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/gameCent/p/leagueid/BRA/ot//pid/6060948/season/2016/tid/6076547/tidstat//playerView.html

Some improvement over the previous year.

One thing you always see with the foreign players, for the most part, is that their stats are not usually going to jump out at you.

Would be an interesting high energy player to have coming off the bench... maybe he could do the stuff they thought Sasha would be doing on a regular basis.

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1/31/2016  4:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2016  4:16 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Here's my thesis.
Let's be a seller here at the deadline anything we lose we should be able to get back with free agency money.
I think the missing piece to this team is Kay felder I think he's going to be a star and brings almost everything we don't have. I think he can make kritaps much better and seems to have great character I think he's Isiah Thomas 2 but with better pg skills. If we can trade for a 2016 first rd pick we can promise it to him as long as he does not workout for any other teams. I think this is much more doable than actually trying to trade for someone with the same talent level( the way I see it)

Haven't seen that Kay Felder kid play but I do know that Danilo Fuzaro is expected to be back in the draft this year and hasn't improved his play enough to be projected as a 1st round pick yet. I'd revisit getting a pick to use on him because he does have an intriging skillset. Hopefully he can be a poor man's Ginobili for us off the bench in the future.


http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/gameCent/p/leagueid/BRA/ot//pid/6060948/season/2016/tid/6076547/tidstat//playerView.html

Some improvement over the previous year.

One thing you always see with the foreign players, for the most part, is that their stats are not usually going to jump out at you.

Would be an interesting high energy player to have coming off the bench... maybe he could do the stuff they thought Sasha would be doing on a regular basis.

I think he would've been an improvement over Sasha coming into this season, lol. Good find with that bit of info though! I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the middle to late first round by the time the draft rolls around. He has that same feistyness that KP has, which will carry him a long way in this league.
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1/31/2016  7:42 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Here's my thesis.
Let's be a seller here at the deadline anything we lose we should be able to get back with free agency money.
I think the missing piece to this team is Kay felder I think he's going to be a star and brings almost everything we don't have. I think he can make kritaps much better and seems to have great character I think he's Isiah Thomas 2 but with better pg skills. If we can trade for a 2016 first rd pick we can promise it to him as long as he does not workout for any other teams. I think this is much more doable than actually trying to trade for someone with the same talent level( the way I see it)

Haven't seen that Kay Felder kid play but I do know that Danilo Fuzaro is expected to be back in the draft this year and hasn't improved his play enough to be projected as a 1st round pick yet. I'd revisit getting a pick to use on him because he does have an intriging skillset. Hopefully he can be a poor man's Ginobili for us off the bench in the future.

Yeah i remember talking and watching some video on this kid last year and if there's one thing we know about our scouts it's that they'll know about any of the euro players that are worth looking at. If anyone knows about the kid it will be Phil's guys with C.Gaines being the go to guy on that.
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1/31/2016  9:57 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here's my thesis.
Let's be a seller here at the deadline anything we lose we should be able to get back with free agency money.
I think the missing piece to this team is Kay felder I think he's going to be a star and brings almost everything we don't have. I think he can make kritaps much better and seems to have great character I think he's Isiah Thomas 2 but with better pg skills. If we can trade for a 2016 first rd pick we can promise it to him as long as he does not workout for any other teams. I think this is much more doable than actually trying to trade for someone with the same talent level( the way I see it)

This is tough - and we should probably have a thread on this.

Who are we selling? Afflalo? D Williams? Grant? Seraphim?

I don't see Calderon bringing us anything back that's worth the indignity of watching whomever has our draft pick landing a top five pick because we gave them extra ping pong balls.

Yes, we probably should be sellers, and trading today for tomorrow is probably the right thing to do with our circumstance.

But I just don't see the deal that gets us back something valuable.

I'd like to see if we can't tank next year, and add another talent - then you have KP with 2 years experience and maybe some parts put together over this off season similar to KOQ & D Williams.
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2/1/2016  12:09 AM
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Was the pg of the Knicks what would our record be?

he doesn't play defense: 0 wins more

Celtics 27-21. Best player isiah thomas. Knicks record 22-25 best player Carmelo Anthony. Your answer. Not to bright

I like a lot of your musings and observations, but this one doesn't fly. It doesn't take in account the games that Anthony didn't play in or the actions of other players on each team.

No I get what you are saying. It's not player vs player comparison per se it's discounting the potential role of a certain type of player. Also anyone who think Thomas is just another little quick pg hasn't watched him

"potential role" for isiaiah thomas in the triangle is on the bench sulking... with a marbury towel over his head LOL

You need 5-6 offensive minded guards to make a good team in the NBA with a diversity of skill sets. You want to get defense from everyone but if they cant shoot drive dribble--they arent worth anything. No good team has defensive minded first guards anymore--they are dinosaurs with the new rules.

RIP Crushalot😞
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Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA
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RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

in other words: not too bright

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.

RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.


We are not trading for him, he is cheap and plays above his contract, so BOSTON IS KEEPING HIM, there is no point till he is a UFA
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2/1/2016  4:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2016  4:56 PM
RonRon wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.


We are not trading for him, he is cheap and plays above his contract, so BOSTON IS KEEPING HIM, there is no point till he is a UFA

This whole post was based on the premise that I thought that Kay Felder was a 2nd version of Isiaih Thomas but I think a better pure PG and defender. It would be much easier to find a pick later in rd 1 or early 2 to acquire than compete against 20 teams for the right to try and get an NBA PG of similar overall physical talent. Still the only TRUE good long term move that Phil has made is KP--a lot of other flawed plans--many band aid type moves.

RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.

leaving aside the atrocious defense of these players for a second, it's about finding a player who can fit or adapt his game to the prevailing way of playing on this team. only redick has that ability.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/1/2016  8:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/1/2016  8:17 PM
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.

leaving aside the atrocious defense of these players for a second, it's about finding a player who can fit or adapt his game to the prevailing way of playing on this team. only redick has that ability.

Kay Felder is actually a good defensive player and I believe projects as a better pure PG than Isiah Thomas. Im calling NBA all star potential here I dont care if hes 5-9. He would really help KP and Carmelo from day 1 there is no bridge time with him.

This is an unguardable player. Way too quick way too strong way too much body control and his handle is like a yo yo.

RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.

leaving aside the atrocious defense of these players for a second, it's about finding a player who can fit or adapt his game to the prevailing way of playing on this team. only redick has that ability.

Kay Felder is actually a good defensive player and I believe projects as a better pure PG than Isiah Thomas. Im calling NBA all star potential here I dont care if hes 5-9. He would really help KP and Carmelo from day 1 there is no bridge time with him.

This is an unguardable player. Way too quick way too strong way too much body control and his handle is like a yo yo.


Are those skills altogether different from Shane Larkin? Trey Burke? If not, how is this guy different?
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2/2/2016  9:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2016  10:00 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

Its like saying nah I dont want JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford--their defense is kind of sub par.

leaving aside the atrocious defense of these players for a second, it's about finding a player who can fit or adapt his game to the prevailing way of playing on this team. only redick has that ability.

Kay Felder is actually a good defensive player and I believe projects as a better pure PG than Isiah Thomas. Im calling NBA all star potential here I dont care if hes 5-9. He would really help KP and Carmelo from day 1 there is no bridge time with him.

This is an unguardable player. Way too quick way too strong way too much body control and his handle is like a yo yo.


Are those skills altogether different from Shane Larkin? Trey Burke? If not, how is this guy different?

Hes got the same body control and power as Thomas but I think hes going to be a better pure PG. In the NBA now a guy who is 5-9 can be an all star and difference maker.

RIP Crushalot😞
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2/2/2016  10:02 PM
Well if Isaiah Thomas was on the Knicks tonight we woulda won. Sigh.
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2/2/2016  10:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/2/2016  10:06 PM
crzymdups wrote:Well if Isaiah Thomas was on the Knicks tonight we woulda won. Sigh.

unless we see a miracle trade at the deadline...we are not making the playoffs with these guards and more importantly...this coach who cannot adjust to his roster at all.

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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2/2/2016  10:07 PM
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant scoring PG, he is very good, but it wouldn't make sense if we were using the Triangle...........

If Briggs actually watches games and not numbers/salaries he would understand that
But he thinks he evaluates talent on a different level from anyone on this board and the entire NBA

in other words: not too bright

OUCH!!! lol..smh

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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