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We actually need a defensive 2 guard/wing and to give Gallo/Grant more minutes at PG, than a starting PG.
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1/29/2016  11:03 PM
Well the title of the thread says we need a defensive 2 guard/wing.... That's Thanasis all the way so you got your wish. Gallo and Grant are splitting minutes at pg too..... you're just winning all around
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1/29/2016  11:08 PM
I can see a day in the next year where all 5 Westchester Knicks are in the NBA. Thanasis, Fredette, Trice, Atkins and Bachynski. They all have talent and are progressing well with a good coach who we stole from the Spurs. Maybe I'm crazy but I think that it could happen.
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1/29/2016  11:37 PM
reub wrote:I can see a day in the next year where all 5 Westchester Knicks are in the NBA. Thanasis, Fredette, Trice, Atkins and Bachynski. They all have talent and are progressing well with a good coach who we stole from the Spurs. Maybe I'm crazy but I think that it could happen.

I don't think you are crazy. I think bringing up Thanasis was a high character move for the franchise. But I wonder who the most nba ready player is. I don't know if opit was Thanasis. He is the only one of the starting 5 that hasn't been a top 25 prospect this year.
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1/30/2016  11:24 AM
EnySpree wrote:Well the title of the thread says we need a defensive 2 guard/wing.... That's Thanasis all the way so you got your wish. Gallo and Grant are splitting minutes at pg too..... you're just winning all around

I was about to say the same. I hope Phil keeps him around

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/30/2016  11:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2016  11:48 AM
I think the plan is to keep developing and bringing in guys who fit the system and provide energy/defense ahead of the big names. You look at Galloway and Thomas that is what they do. Galloway and Thomas were vet min players barely in the league and they've come in and found a great niche with the Knicks.

If we can find someone like that for the 2 guard position, someone with legit wing size (6'5-6'7) good wingspan (6'10+) but also moves his feet on defense, has a motor, and is willing to work hard on the skills needed in the Triangle, it will work just like with Galloway/Thomas.

Perhaps Anteto can do this - however he is a ways away. His jumpshot isn't great, don't know his passing skill. Lance Thomas wasn't a good jumpshooter last year but worked hard on it. If Antento can do the same over the summer, he'll be a great move for next season.

On NBAdraft.net his player comparison is Bruce Bowen. Which would be fantastic. I know he's different to Bowen, but once Bowen developed a 3 point shot from outside he was a core player for the Spurs. If we can Antento to do this over the summer - work on spot up shooting and doing what Lance Thomas does - he'll be a great fit for the starting 2 spot.

Galloway/Antetokounmpo/Melo/Williams/Porzingis will be one of the most athletic, long, tough covers in the league. With the way Melo is passing and if Porzingis keeps improving, we'll have the type of talent there that can play really good 2-way basketball. That's not counting Lopez, Thomas and Grant as part of that top 8, all guys who can play defense. The key in that scenario would be for Porzingis to become a legit 2nd option star, and to be more aggressive in calling his number later in games.

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1/30/2016  11:53 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Our defense has began to fall off and allow teams to score 100+ on us a consistent basis now. In terms of overall team defense we do a solid job of getting enough stops, but we're not forcing enough turnovers. This allows opponents to get too many possessions against us, where they get shots up. We have to find a way to slow the opponents down a bit on defense.

I think one major major move would be starting Galloway full time and using Grant as his backup, with Calderon as the 3rd string.
The other move would be to find a player at the wing who can get some steals, force some turnovers. Porzingis can do it in the current starting 5. Outside of him? Not really.

We're not built to be a team that can score 105+ every night. The alternative to what I'm suggesting is to play at a higher pace, such that even if you allow alot of shots on your basket, you take many shots against your opponent. We're more of a shot milking team, that wants to lead the league in passes per possession (last time I checked we were #1 thing in this stat).

Feel the move right now is to bring in some defensive help to the starting 5/core rotation. Time's running out on this season in terms of trying to make the playoffs. Already at 26 losses. To make the playoffs (which I've never set the standard for this team) we'll need to win something like 22 out of the remaining 34 game. Going to be awfully tough if we don't improve our defense. Defense has to be a priority, as the team just isn't built to score 105+ a night on a consistent basis. The major move Fisher has to make if there is no trade is to at the very least give Galloway/Grant minutes ahead of Calderon. And also cut down minutes of Afflalo at 2, because he's not someone that can stay ahead of his man on a consistent basis or rotate as fast Grant/Galloway. While Calderon and Afflalo are the more reliable consistent players on offense, we've seen that as the season has wore on, they are starting to wear down and our defense is slipping.

Considering this is a longterm project anyway, giving minutes to Grant/Galloway in the backcourt (say 24-26 minutes a piece) would help on our defensive skill level AND give them time to develop. Longterm Calderon/Afflalo won't be our starters or core players anyway. I don't know if Fish sees it this way, but I felt real good about the effort from Gallo and Grant last night. They've shown they are NBA caliber and ready. Once Melo/KP return to health, we have enough offense to get us by. We need guys like Grant/Gallo that can push the ball for easy baskets, defend their man, rotate on D, and also develop experience for the future as we will likely bringing them back for a few years vs Calderon/Afflalo who may not be here beyond 1 more season.

there's essentially no need to shoot for the playoffs just because kp has yanked the knicks into relevance. fisher is slowly and deliberately finding flaws in players and redistributing minutes accordingly. the main thing you mention that has some real traction is the increase of galloway's minutes, but what you are missing perhaps is tat he should be eating into both calderon's and afflalo's minutes-- especially afflalo's.

if the difference between starters and reserves is being above or below 24 minutes a game, you can see what fisher is doing:

lopez 25mpg which is just about right
calderon 28mpg which is still two minutes too high
kp is 28 minutes which is just about right
afflalo is 33mpg which is way way too much given his net production-- here is where galloway can gain
melo is playing 34.5mpg which is way way too much given the amount of minutes he has been playing since 19 years old-- here is where lance thomas can gain some extra minutes, like another 4mpg.

the net result is a more balanced minute distribution, where the benefits are three-fold, ie preserving melo, allowing role players to develop and gain confidence, and minimizing the harm that a player like afflalo does by lowering his minutes to the ones he has earned, not the ones he hasn't.

to hell with the playoffs and the impatience-informed short term-- the knicks should focus on fisher's basic mission statement, which is to constantly improve their work as a cohesive unit that plays defense.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/30/2016  12:05 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:This exact team we have now was playing great until Melo stepped on the refs foot and hurt his ankle/knee. We had everything going good for us before that happened and everyone was on here loving what they were seeing. I'm not sure if you're watching the whole games but Grant isn't doing anything to deserve more minutes unless you're just looking more for him to get experience than you care about us winning?? Gallo is absolutely playing his way into more minutes and would have no problem with him taking over the starting point guard spot but Calderon would be the #2. KOQ's defense is just horrible and in the post game show they were showing plays where players were driving right to him with the ball and he made no attempt to even put his hands up let alone try to play any defense at all so i do think we need a better defending big that we can play at the PF spot when KP plays the 5 or can play the 5 when R.Lopez needs to rest. This team needs a point guard and there's no way around that if you ask me so i definitely disagree with you on that.

Making trades isn't easy to do. You don't just say you need to get better at a position and just go out that day and find a better player cause there's so much that goes into making a trade let alone a successful trade. I also hope you don't really see this team winning 22 out of the next 34 games cause that isn't happening unless Melo comes back 100% healthy and stays 100% healthy and i don't see that happening. If there was any other teams looking to trade for DW or LT or KOQ then they're probably not looking as hard at them after last nights game. DW showed us why he's not a starting player and why he's still just that energy guy to come off the bench and only when he's not being counted on to be our top scorer cause that pressure eats him up. Now i'm not saying he can't grow into that but as of now he's not that.

Dude, we all know the little success we were getting before Carmelo's injury was unsustainable. Many of us have been begging for a change in the back court and stability with the rotation; because we knew and anticipated that injury was going to strike and derail us; specifically, if many of the players were lacking in confidence due to a lack of consistent playing time.

We need an upgrade at back court; and that has been evident for almost a decade now.


Agreed. In truth you ALWAYS should be looking to upgrade your talent. Golden State and San Antonio NEVER stop trying to add quality bench players. The more talent you have the better you can handle the long tough season and injuries. Quality depth is a HUGE issue. Also having a bit more variety off the bench so we can give teams something else besides the same type of players. Adding some speed and breakdown ability off the bench would be a good thing IMO.

When we get this team to being a team that's ready to contend every year then we can be like the Spurs or Cavs or Heat or Clippers and veteran players will take less money to come play with us like they do with those teams. Every off season the vets end up choosing to play with teams like the teams i mentioned cause they wanna have a chance at a championship before they retire and having the vets on your bench is huge for these teams cause when a starter goes down you have a player that could be starting for a lot of teams ready to take his place or to just have that veteran presence in the locker room or on the bench for the younger guys. Could you imagine what some players like D.West, M.Williams, J.Crawford, P.Pierce, G.Green, R.Sessions and plenty of others could do for us?? There's so many vets that could be starters on some teams but choose to go to the top teams to come off the bench for that chance at a championship and when we're a legit team then we'll get some of those guys and won't have to worry as much when Melo's knee is acting up and he needs to rest for a couple of games cause we'll have a vet that can step in and handle it for us. We're close to being one of those teams and with a good off season from Phil we could be that team next year.

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1/30/2016  12:10 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Anyone notice the defensive impact of having Galloway at 1 instead of Calderon? The extra length and foot speed allowed the Knicks to play far better defense. I still want Calderon on the team. I'm not one of those guys that wants Calderon off or thinks he sucks. He has a real positive influence on the team. However we have to give Galloway the opportunity now to do this for a while. He's got to get 8-10 starts with a full strength team (Melo/KP both playing) and see how he does. Mainly how we do on defense. If it all works out like I'd like, we can use Grant and Calderon on the 2nd unit backcourt. Calderon's very comfortable playing a 2 guard role on offense since he can shoot 3's.

Our rotation should go like this:

Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Galloway
Lopez/Williams/Melo/Grant/Calderon
Porzingis/Williams/Thomas/Afflalo/Calderon or Grant

Close the half with Porzingis/Melo and 3 best players of the half or match up wise.


I think we all notice the difference having a player like Gallo that can push the ball up the court and actually play some defense has over a guy like Calderon who's more of a leader on the floor but he just can't push the pace and obviously doesn't have the defensive skills we need out there. I would love to see Gallo get that chance from Fisher for at least 5/6 games or whatever it takes to see how he can run the offense and put Calderon with the 2nd unit. I just really have no idea which way Fisher will go with this but there's no denying what Gallo has done and how he's played these last two games that he's started.
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1/30/2016  12:13 PM
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nyknickzingis wrote:Anyone notice the defensive impact of having Galloway at 1 instead of Calderon? The extra length and foot speed allowed the Knicks to play far better defense. I still want Calderon on the team. I'm not one of those guys that wants Calderon off or thinks he sucks. He has a real positive influence on the team. However we have to give Galloway the opportunity now to do this for a while. He's got to get 8-10 starts with a full strength team (Melo/KP both playing) and see how he does. Mainly how we do on defense. If it all works out like I'd like, we can use Grant and Calderon on the 2nd unit backcourt. Calderon's very comfortable playing a 2 guard role on offense since he can shoot 3's.

Our rotation should go like this:

Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Galloway
Lopez/Williams/Melo/Grant/Calderon
Porzingis/Williams/Thomas/Afflalo/Calderon or Grant

Close the half with Porzingis/Melo and 3 best players of the half or match up wise.


I think we all notice the difference having a player like Gallo that can push the ball up the court and actually play some defense has over a guy like Calderon who's more of a leader on the floor but he just can't push the pace and obviously doesn't have the defensive skills we need out there. I would love to see Gallo get that chance from Fisher for at least 5/6 games or whatever it takes to see how he can run the offense and put Calderon with the 2nd unit. I just really have no idea which way Fisher will go with this but there's no denying what Gallo has done and how he's played these last two games that he's started.

I see that you are coming around on many of my original ideas::::)))). So Fisher is the one holding our team from a chance to be really good???

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/30/2016  12:20 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Calderon is one of the most positive uplifting players on the team. The entire passing Melo you see now, it's a process that only would have happened with teammates like Jose. He lifts everyone up. He's a leader in many ways. However he should be playing 20 minutes a game, tops. Galloway is ready to be the 5th option for the starters and bring the ball up, and look to push the ball whenever he can. If we were running a pick and roll heavy offense or an offense where the point guard was relied on for calling set plays, organizing it all out there, yes Gallo would be a bad choice over Jose. In this offense, he's a natural fit. Especially for his length and athleticism advantage on defense.

The only downside I see is Galloway will command a ton of money in the summer as a restricted free agent if he finishes the season as a starter and does well.


A couple good points with Calderon and his positive energy he brings. D.Derozan said before the raptors game that Calderon was his favorite player he's played with and talked about hos much he helped him while with him so he does bring a lot more than what people see on tv to the team and the point about Gallo finishing the season as the starter and what kind of offers he'll bring in the off season. We need to remember that there's a big chance that L.Thomas, D.Williams and A.Afflalo could all be getting pay raises in the off season and if we want to sign a significant player in the off season then we need to either get these guys along with Gallo as cheap as possible and even then if we re-sign all four of them then we can kiss getting a significant player good bye. It will be a tough decision for Phil on what he wants top do with the extra cap space in the off season.
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1/30/2016  12:22 PM
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nyknickzingis wrote:Calderon is one of the most positive uplifting players on the team. The entire passing Melo you see now, it's a process that only would have happened with teammates like Jose. He lifts everyone up. He's a leader in many ways. However he should be playing 20 minutes a game, tops. Galloway is ready to be the 5th option for the starters and bring the ball up, and look to push the ball whenever he can. If we were running a pick and roll heavy offense or an offense where the point guard was relied on for calling set plays, organizing it all out there, yes Gallo would be a bad choice over Jose. In this offense, he's a natural fit. Especially for his length and athleticism advantage on defense.

The only downside I see is Galloway will command a ton of money in the summer as a restricted free agent if he finishes the season as a starter and does well.

Why is paying the dude an issue? Last I checked, the Knicks are valued at 2+billions. He is one of our product, I would be happy to see us keep the dude

Under normal circumstances, yes. The Knicks are well off enough where they can max out 3 players, and spend a ton on support players. However that is what you do when you have the finished product. NY is still looking for a new starter, if not two. And that'll only come through free agency. If we pay guys like Galloway, Williams, Thomas - and I want to keep all 3 - it really hurts who they can sign in free agency in 2017 and 2016. The next 2 summers the Knicks can be players in the free agent market, and with the sort of competitive team they've been and some young talent like Porzingis, free agents will be far more interested in coming. It's important to keep those opportunities available. I wouldn't want to lose out on possibly a Westbrook in 2017 or someone like that because we gave Galloway 7 million a year (Just throwing an example). I'd like to keep Galloway, Williams and Thomas but think it will be hard to do that and still be a player in free agency for the all-star free agents.

I've been posting about this for the last month. Phil has some tough choices to make this off season and i'm sure there will be some angry Knicks fans either way he decides to go with this.

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1/30/2016  12:27 PM
reub wrote:I can see a day in the next year where all 5 Westchester Knicks are in the NBA. Thanasis, Fredette, Trice, Atkins and Bachynski. They all have talent and are progressing well with a good coach who we stole from the Spurs. Maybe I'm crazy but I think that it could happen.

Just don't forget that what you're seeing from those guys is only what they've done in the d-league which is players loaded with UDFA's and euro players and players that will only ever play in the d-league or overseas so to judge any of them on how they play against player that will never play in the NBA is tough to do. Until they play in the NBA which a lot of them will never do but until they get that chance it's tough to say how they'll be as NBA players.

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1/30/2016  12:44 PM
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nyknickzingis wrote:Anyone notice the defensive impact of having Galloway at 1 instead of Calderon? The extra length and foot speed allowed the Knicks to play far better defense. I still want Calderon on the team. I'm not one of those guys that wants Calderon off or thinks he sucks. He has a real positive influence on the team. However we have to give Galloway the opportunity now to do this for a while. He's got to get 8-10 starts with a full strength team (Melo/KP both playing) and see how he does. Mainly how we do on defense. If it all works out like I'd like, we can use Grant and Calderon on the 2nd unit backcourt. Calderon's very comfortable playing a 2 guard role on offense since he can shoot 3's.

Our rotation should go like this:

Lopez/Porzingis/Melo/Afflalo/Galloway
Lopez/Williams/Melo/Grant/Calderon
Porzingis/Williams/Thomas/Afflalo/Calderon or Grant

Close the half with Porzingis/Melo and 3 best players of the half or match up wise.


I think we all notice the difference having a player like Gallo that can push the ball up the court and actually play some defense has over a guy like Calderon who's more of a leader on the floor but he just can't push the pace and obviously doesn't have the defensive skills we need out there. I would love to see Gallo get that chance from Fisher for at least 5/6 games or whatever it takes to see how he can run the offense and put Calderon with the 2nd unit. I just really have no idea which way Fisher will go with this but there's no denying what Gallo has done and how he's played these last two games that he's started.

I see that you are coming around on many of my original ideas::::)))). So Fisher is the one holding our team from a chance to be really good???


See this is the crap you do that gets me and you arguing and i really don't wanna do it after last night fiasco. If you pay attention to what i say you'll never be able to bring up a time that i said Fisher is doing a great job and you'll never be able to bring up a time that i said that we don't need to replace Calderon but you will find me saying that for what Fisher has been given that he's doing a much better job than you give him credit for on here and you will find me saying that Calderon brings more to this team than stats which some people on here go by. What the Knicks are doing and what they do has nothing to do with you and your ideas. Fisher doesn't text with you to find out what you think he should do. lol Everything he does has a reason behind it which none of us will ever know so all we can do is speculate why he does certain things. Fisher has this team playing hard and they play hard almost every game but you don't give him credit for that, actually you don't give him credit for anything. We've played really good teams that nobody gave us any chance at beating but we've been in those games and almost won those games and have sometimes done it without one or two of our best players and that's something that Fisher deserves credit for. He's the one that has these guys playing hard for 48 minutes. I just think that you should give him more credit then you do which is none. I agree with some of the things you don't like that he does but to give him zero credit is ignorant. Now i'm gonna go back to watching this Syracuse vs G.Tech game.
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1/30/2016  12:49 PM
You still need scoring. We play hard and that is great, but you have to have more scoring on this team to win consistently. That is why we go on losing streaks.
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1/30/2016  1:01 PM
I want to get our extra scoring by ripping the ball out of the hands of the other team and then getting easy dunks. Scoring that comes from a superbly aggressive defense.
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1/30/2016  1:25 PM
We don't lose games at the end because the other teams defense is better.
We actually need a defensive 2 guard/wing and to give Gallo/Grant more minutes at PG, than a starting PG.

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