fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

helloharv wrote:I was so ticket off we didn't foul last night , what say you? I realize coaches vary on the subject but curious as to why?

you do like mr. frazier says which is foul him before he shoots. then he has to make two shots, they're forced to foul, and then we take two shots. we are a top-rated free throw shooting team.

before we get to take those two shots we need to successfully inbound the ball. We also need to get the rebound when the 2nd shot misses. We also need to hit both FTs. All points of failure. Defending one shot is easier and safer.

good point about the in-bounds! (especially since knicks have struggled with that at times) Did we have a timeout? Odds are highly in your favor you get the rebound on the missed FT (that type of stuff was analyzed by the NBA guy in that article i posted). And if the team that is down only hits one FT and misses the other on purpose and we got the rebound we're up by 2 points already and going to the line. SO wedo don't need to hit both FTs? If we do, we ice it, because we're up by 4; but even if we hit one we're up by 3 points and they have even less time to try and force a tie again (and you would foul again for a 2 point shot and so on). So I don't agree we have to hit both FTs

I think best case the math indicates it may be a wash on strategy or perhaps favor the intentional foul. But very good points about team mentality, identity etc. Completely legitimate

Just curious whether you're one of the advanced stats guys? Also wonder what mreinman thinks (aka Mr. Hate-the-midrange-shot)

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

helloharv wrote:I was so ticket off we didn't foul last night , what say you? I realize coaches vary on the subject but curious as to why?

you do like mr. frazier says which is foul him before he shoots. then he has to make two shots, they're forced to foul, and then we take two shots. we are a top-rated free throw shooting team.

before we get to take those two shots we need to successfully inbound the ball. We also need to get the rebound when the 2nd shot misses. We also need to hit both FTs. All points of failure. Defending one shot is easier and safer.

you play to win. you don't play to not lose. the first way is confidence and courage the second is fear and cowardice.

helloharv wrote:I was so ticket off we didn't foul last night , what say you? I realize coaches vary on the subject but curious as to why?

You freaking take the darn foul.

helloharv wrote:For the crowd that says it is too risky to foul....
How many times have you seen a foul shot missed on purpose and the offensive team rebounds it and actually scores? and if they do ALL that correctly, it is STILL tied. As compared to literally letting Melo shoot a 3 against the 76ers to tie the game.

Honestly even though I'm in the statistics camp you need to take them w a grain of salt. And you need to make sure you have the right people and practice whatever strategy you employ

Nba Stats might say take more 3- pointers but if you're guys don't have range that's a poor choice

I think we can agree the knicks need work in this area of closing games because they are doing what is not debatably wrong-- fouling in the act

Chandler wrote:Food fight!!

Honestly even though I'm in the statistics camp you need to take them w a grain of salt. And you need to make sure you have the right people and practice whatever strategy you employ

Nba Stats might say take more 3- pointers but if you're guys don't have range that's a poor choice

I think we can agree the knicks need work in this area of closing games because they are doing what is not debatably wrong-- fouling in the act

Now feel free to disagree, and say you prefer stats over trust. That's fine, but don't pretend this other aspect doesn't exist or isn't important. THAT is being a dope.

There are two sides of this. Both have merit. This is what coaches are paid to do... decide which course is best for their team. If it works they did the right thing. If it doesn't they were wrong. Isnt that how coaching works? And at the end of the day it comes down to player execution, and in the case of the Jazz game KP failed miserably. You cant coach execution. All part of the game.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:of course you foul ... unless you are an old school dope who does not care about statistics

or a qualified NBA coach making millions to lead men as opposed to a know-it-all behind a keyboard. Don't forget those guys along with the old school dopes.

as qualified as the unqualified posters who think that not fouling is the best move

yes... there is your opinion and a bunch of fools. You have established this on several times making points and detailing facts based on your opinions. Funny you post here instead of consulting for one of these dumb franchises full of old school dopes who don't understand the game.

your the opinion guy ... I like data

how is dramond green doing?