newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Rookie wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Rookie wrote:Knicks have had a tough schedule without a lot of rest. No need for panic moves. The AS break can't come soon enough. Hopefully we can stay competitive till then. These guys are playing hard and need some rest. Our schedule this year has sucked and I think the short rotation is wearing us down. AA shouldn't be playing 36 minutes. What we need is a little more depth, and not to blow the team up.

I don't agree and wouldn't call getting rid of guys that aren't in our future plans a panic move. This team that we have now is NOT a team that we can win in the playoffs with and is NOT the finished product that Phil has in mind anyway so why not keep building for the future even if it means missing the playoffs this year?? We need to remember that this roster is gonna change regardless if we do it at this trade deadline or in the off season but the difference is we could get something for some of these guys now but not after this season when they opt out of their contracts.

The position we really need an upgrade at is PG. Your post and reply are so full of contradictions that I am not going to spend the time to point them out. This thread is ridiculous.

I don't know if you know this but nobody asked you to spend any of your to point anything out and nobody even asked you to even post anything in this thread so be gone. lol By the way.......we all know that we need an upgrade at point guard and we talk about it every day on here.

But that's just stating the obvious. How and who and is it clearly beneficial.

Well you tell me what you think about it?? Do you think we should trade any of the guys i mentioned in A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloway or K.O'Quinn to keep building for the future or do we keep the guys we have and make a playoff run knowing that AA and DW will opt out after this year and be looking for more money and even more years on a contract?? If they do opt out and we give them more money then we won't have the money to sign a max guy so guys like M.Conley, N.Batum and D.Derozan will no longer be guys we can afford.

unless it's a no-brainer deal than I say do nothing at this point. Roster turnover is hard to deal with unless it's end of bench player or obvious long-term upgrades. Similarly, the Knicks have started to get some cohesion in the starting lineup before this Melo ankle turn, why ruin that?

If AA, DWill opt out (and that's an IF), then Knicks will have more cap money to spend elsewhere, plenty of guys out there. If they opt out, there is no assumption that we HAVE to sign them or sign them to more money, why have you assumed that?

Well i don't think i ever just assumed that cause i'm pretty sure i always used the word "if" but if i did then that's not how i meant it. I do think with the way AA and DW are playing that both will opt out and want more money especially DW cause he's so young and again with the way he's been playing i think there will be plenty of teams ready to offer him more money and years. I would just hate to lose a guy like DW for nothing when i would have to think if we put him on the trade market there will be playoff teams standing in line to trade for him cause he's really bringing it on the offensive end and teams would love to have him on their bench to have instant offense when needed.

For me, in the acr that is the building of the Knicks, bench players will come and go. Before this season, everyone HATED the idea of DWill for more than the minimum or at least a lot less than the $5M he currently gets. The Knicks need starters first and upgrade that talent. DWill opts out, and the Knicks will have $24M in cap, add AA to that and the number goes to $32M. $32M is more than enough to upgrade the starting backcourt, so I'm not worried about them leaving.

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Rookie wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Rookie wrote:Knicks have had a tough schedule without a lot of rest. No need for panic moves. The AS break can't come soon enough. Hopefully we can stay competitive till then. These guys are playing hard and need some rest. Our schedule this year has sucked and I think the short rotation is wearing us down. AA shouldn't be playing 36 minutes. What we need is a little more depth, and not to blow the team up.

I don't agree and wouldn't call getting rid of guys that aren't in our future plans a panic move. This team that we have now is NOT a team that we can win in the playoffs with and is NOT the finished product that Phil has in mind anyway so why not keep building for the future even if it means missing the playoffs this year?? We need to remember that this roster is gonna change regardless if we do it at this trade deadline or in the off season but the difference is we could get something for some of these guys now but not after this season when they opt out of their contracts.

The position we really need an upgrade at is PG. Your post and reply are so full of contradictions that I am not going to spend the time to point them out. This thread is ridiculous.

I don't know if you know this but nobody asked you to spend any of your to point anything out and nobody even asked you to even post anything in this thread so be gone. lol By the way.......we all know that we need an upgrade at point guard and we talk about it every day on here.

But that's just stating the obvious. How and who and is it clearly beneficial.

Well you tell me what you think about it?? Do you think we should trade any of the guys i mentioned in A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloway or K.O'Quinn to keep building for the future or do we keep the guys we have and make a playoff run knowing that AA and DW will opt out after this year and be looking for more money and even more years on a contract?? If they do opt out and we give them more money then we won't have the money to sign a max guy so guys like M.Conley, N.Batum and D.Derozan will no longer be guys we can afford.

unless it's a no-brainer deal than I say do nothing at this point. Roster turnover is hard to deal with unless it's end of bench player or obvious long-term upgrades. Similarly, the Knicks have started to get some cohesion in the starting lineup before this Melo ankle turn, why ruin that?

If AA, DWill opt out (and that's an IF), then Knicks will have more cap money to spend elsewhere, plenty of guys out there. If they opt out, there is no assumption that we HAVE to sign them or sign them to more money, why have you assumed that?

Well i don't think i ever just assumed that cause i'm pretty sure i always used the word "if" but if i did then that's not how i meant it. I do think with the way AA and DW are playing that both will opt out and want more money especially DW cause he's so young and again with the way he's been playing i think there will be plenty of teams ready to offer him more money and years. I would just hate to lose a guy like DW for nothing when i would have to think if we put him on the trade market there will be playoff teams standing in line to trade for him cause he's really bringing it on the offensive end and teams would love to have him on their bench to have instant offense when needed.

For me, in the acr that is the building of the Knicks, bench players will come and go. Before this season, everyone HATED the idea of DWill for more than the minimum or at least a lot less than the $5M he currently gets. The Knicks need starters first and upgrade that talent. DWill opts out, and the Knicks will have $24M in cap, add AA to that and the number goes to $32M. $32M is more than enough to upgrade the starting backcourt, so I'm not worried about them leaving.

Do you know what Bird Rights we'd own with Williams? I still don't understand how or why we couldn't add pieces to our backcourt in spite of the $5-$7 million cap hold for his deal.

Hell, if his demands get too outrageous, I would not be opposed to letting him walk and then acquire Markieff Morris from the Suns. In the age of the hybrid forward/ small ball lineups, guys like him will always hold value.

NardDogNation wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Rookie wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Rookie wrote:Knicks have had a tough schedule without a lot of rest. No need for panic moves. The AS break can't come soon enough. Hopefully we can stay competitive till then. These guys are playing hard and need some rest. Our schedule this year has sucked and I think the short rotation is wearing us down. AA shouldn't be playing 36 minutes. What we need is a little more depth, and not to blow the team up.

I don't agree and wouldn't call getting rid of guys that aren't in our future plans a panic move. This team that we have now is NOT a team that we can win in the playoffs with and is NOT the finished product that Phil has in mind anyway so why not keep building for the future even if it means missing the playoffs this year?? We need to remember that this roster is gonna change regardless if we do it at this trade deadline or in the off season but the difference is we could get something for some of these guys now but not after this season when they opt out of their contracts.

The position we really need an upgrade at is PG. Your post and reply are so full of contradictions that I am not going to spend the time to point them out. This thread is ridiculous.

I don't know if you know this but nobody asked you to spend any of your to point anything out and nobody even asked you to even post anything in this thread so be gone. lol By the way.......we all know that we need an upgrade at point guard and we talk about it every day on here.

But that's just stating the obvious. How and who and is it clearly beneficial.

Well you tell me what you think about it?? Do you think we should trade any of the guys i mentioned in A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloway or K.O'Quinn to keep building for the future or do we keep the guys we have and make a playoff run knowing that AA and DW will opt out after this year and be looking for more money and even more years on a contract?? If they do opt out and we give them more money then we won't have the money to sign a max guy so guys like M.Conley, N.Batum and D.Derozan will no longer be guys we can afford.

unless it's a no-brainer deal than I say do nothing at this point. Roster turnover is hard to deal with unless it's end of bench player or obvious long-term upgrades. Similarly, the Knicks have started to get some cohesion in the starting lineup before this Melo ankle turn, why ruin that?

If AA, DWill opt out (and that's an IF), then Knicks will have more cap money to spend elsewhere, plenty of guys out there. If they opt out, there is no assumption that we HAVE to sign them or sign them to more money, why have you assumed that?

Well i don't think i ever just assumed that cause i'm pretty sure i always used the word "if" but if i did then that's not how i meant it. I do think with the way AA and DW are playing that both will opt out and want more money especially DW cause he's so young and again with the way he's been playing i think there will be plenty of teams ready to offer him more money and years. I would just hate to lose a guy like DW for nothing when i would have to think if we put him on the trade market there will be playoff teams standing in line to trade for him cause he's really bringing it on the offensive end and teams would love to have him on their bench to have instant offense when needed.

For me, in the acr that is the building of the Knicks, bench players will come and go. Before this season, everyone HATED the idea of DWill for more than the minimum or at least a lot less than the $5M he currently gets. The Knicks need starters first and upgrade that talent. DWill opts out, and the Knicks will have $24M in cap, add AA to that and the number goes to $32M. $32M is more than enough to upgrade the starting backcourt, so I'm not worried about them leaving.

Do you know what Bird Rights we'd own with Williams? I still don't understand how or why we couldn't add pieces to our backcourt in spite of the $5-$7 million cap hold for his deal.

Hell, if his demands get too outrageous, I would not be opposed to letting him walk and then acquire Markieff Morris from the Suns. In the age of the hybrid forward/ small ball lineups, guys like him will always hold value.

meanwhile kp is ranked 11th among starting power forwards (and as a rookie no less!!) and melo is ranked 5th among small forwards.

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:afflalo doesn't facilitate and he's an overrated defender. i initially liked the signing but now that we have had a closer look at his game i think there's a very good reason he is on his 6th in team in 9 years. in terms of his the valuable tool "real plus minus," this season afflalo is ranked 26th in the league among starting shooting guards, meaning he's not good enough to be a starter on a 19th-ranked knicks team. clearly he's a 6th man on a contender... at best.

meanwhile kp is ranked 11th among starting power forwards (and as a rookie no less!!) and melo is ranked 5th among small forwards.

There's no question the position can be upgraded, just keep in my that there' a lot of options at sg overall.

even though i don't like westbrooks's game i can imagine being an ideal upgrade for the triangle. some here may have already stated as much, but it was a while ago. looking at when westbrook's contract until 2017-18, it's too bad the careers of he and melo don't really overlap. you'd have to hope melo continues to evolve his game as he ages. by then he may well no longer be a starter when westbrook becomes available but that's really okay. complete players-- the kind of player he has shown he can become-- extend their careers with a slower diminishment of effectiveness.

in the meantime, you have to make sure whoever you get is no older than 26 or so, no matter the position.

dk7th wrote:afflalo doesn't facilitate and he's an overrated defender. i initially liked the signing but now that we have had a closer look at his game i think there's a very good reason he is on his 6th in team in 9 years. in terms of the valuable tool "real plus minus," this season afflalo is ranked 26th in the league among starting shooting guards, meaning he's not good enough to be a starter on a 19th-ranked knicks team. clearly he's a 6th man on a contender... at best.

meanwhile kp is ranked 11th among starting power forwards (and as a rookie no less!!) and melo is ranked 5th among small forwards.

newyorker4ever wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:afflalo doesn't facilitate and he's an overrated defender. i initially liked the signing but now that we have had a closer look at his game i think there's a very good reason he is on his 6th in team in 9 years. in terms of his the valuable tool "real plus minus," this season afflalo is ranked 26th in the league among starting shooting guards, meaning he's not good enough to be a starter on a 19th-ranked knicks team. clearly he's a 6th man on a contender... at best.

meanwhile kp is ranked 11th among starting power forwards (and as a rookie no less!!) and melo is ranked 5th among small forwards.

There's no question the position can be upgraded, just keep in my that there' a lot of options at sg overall.

even though i don't like westbrooks's game i can imagine being an ideal upgrade for the triangle. some here may have already stated as much, but it was a while ago. looking at when westbrook's contract until 2017-18, it's too bad the careers of he and melo don't really overlap. you'd have to hope melo continues to evolve his game as he ages. by then he may well no longer be a starter when westbrook becomes available but that's really okay. complete players-- the kind of player he has shown he can become-- extend their careers with a slower diminishment of effectiveness.

in the meantime, you have to make sure whoever you get is no older than 26 or so, no matter the position.

Wait did i read this right and you said you don't think Melo will be a starter when Westbrook hits free agency which is in two years?? If i did read it right then you sir are crazy.