fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown. I understand that there are a few in particular that bash him but its not as many as some make it seem. Melo is playing great and even people who arent his biggest fans have given him deserved praise. However the one thing i dont like is that some are giving him credit for everything including Porzingis which isnt accurate. KP is the reason why he has been great not melo. So im honestly happy melo is getting praise but some are giving him a bit too much IMO. In regards to phil he has done a good job but gaines deserves props as well. He scouted KP and urged phil to draft him

Did you read anything besides the title? Why post in a thread you didnt read? I didnt praise Melo once, but telling thats really all you brought to the discussion. Closest thing I said was

What we are seeing from that player is impressive.

But thanks.

As for Melo getting credit for KP? The numbers prove KP plays considerably better when Melo is on the floor but there are a 100 other threads you can rattle that empty can in. This thread was about Phil Jackson and some perspective on his earlier moves. Thanks for reading.

relax fish i wasnt bashing your thread. In fact i agreed with your assesment about phil doing a good job. I just added that clarence gaines also was a big factor this past offseason

thanks for just adding that. Why is Clarence Gaines here and a big factor?

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown. I understand that there are a few in particular that bash him but its not as many as some make it seem. Melo is playing great and even people who arent his biggest fans have given him deserved praise. However the one thing i dont like is that some are giving him credit for everything including Porzingis which isnt accurate. KP is the reason why he has been great not melo. So im honestly happy melo is getting praise but some are giving him a bit too much IMO. In regards to phil he has done a good job but gaines deserves props as well. He scouted KP and urged phil to draft him

Did you read anything besides the title? Why post in a thread you didnt read? I didnt praise Melo once, but telling thats really all you brought to the discussion. Closest thing I said was

What we are seeing from that player is impressive.

But thanks.

As for Melo getting credit for KP? The numbers prove KP plays considerably better when Melo is on the floor but there are a 100 other threads you can rattle that empty can in. This thread was about Phil Jackson and some perspective on his earlier moves. Thanks for reading.

relax fish i wasnt bashing your thread. In fact i agreed with your assesment about phil doing a good job. I just added that clarence gaines also was a big factor this past offseason

thanks for just adding that. Why is Clarence Gaines here and a big factor?

just adding that? It was in my original post i believe. Anyway to answer your question gaines was the one who scouted KP and told phil that he should seriously consider drafting him. Even nixluva has said the same thing and he is the biggest phil supporter on here. Im not dimishing phils contributions in any way, he is the main factor in assembling the team

That wasnt my question. My question was

Why is Clarence Gaines here and a big factor?

I can make this even easier for you. 2 years ago Clarence Gaines Jr. was a scout for the Chicago Bulls. Why is he working for the Knicks today?

Even easier still...

Who hired him?

See where I am going with this?

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

SupremeCommander wrote:fish wtf are you talking about--tfk is the greatest basketball mind the Knicks have had since Red Holzman

Wasn't it tkf? Been so long I've almost forgot. And you've got to give the guy credit, wherever he is. Phil signed Melo, tkf left.

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

not true and not fair to say about me. Im a very happy knick fan right now

Be that as it may, as someone who was legitimately away from this forum for a few years and came back cold a few months ago and has mixed feelings about Melo, I can tell you my impression from day 1 was the Melo fixation was very, very real and impossible to escape.

Within days I could see certain screen names and know before I read their posts 80% of what their post would be about.

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

not true and not fair to say about me. Im a very happy knick fan right now

Be that as it may, as someone who was legitimately away from this forum for a few years and came back cold a few months ago and has mixed feelings about Melo, I can tell you my impression from day 1 was the Melo fixation was very, very real and impossible to escape.

Within days I could see certain screen names and know before I read their posts 80% of what their post would be about.

Yea I feel the same when things are reversed

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

not true and not fair to say about me. Im a very happy knick fan right now

Be that as it may, as someone who was legitimately away from this forum for a few years and came back cold a few months ago and has mixed feelings about Melo, I can tell you my impression from day 1 was the Melo fixation was very, very real and impossible to escape.

Within days I could see certain screen names and know before I read their posts 80% of what their post would be about.

i get what you are saying and i think you made a very respectful post to me so i Appreciate That. I just get tired of a few posters who accuse you of being negative/hater if you bring up any small criticism of a player/coach/gm. I actually consider Myself positive and i love the knicks but i also point out stuff that may be less positive but is accurate

My issue (generally, you haven't impressed upon me an extreme lean for what that's worth) its less a matter of accuracy and more an issue of volume. One can be fixated on a true thing. Often times a true thing could be completely superfluous and/or irrelevant to the topic at hand.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

not true and not fair to say about me. Im a very happy knick fan right now

Be that as it may, as someone who was legitimately away from this forum for a few years and came back cold a few months ago and has mixed feelings about Melo, I can tell you my impression from day 1 was the Melo fixation was very, very real and impossible to escape.

Within days I could see certain screen names and know before I read their posts 80% of what their post would be about.

i get what you are saying and i think you made a very respectful post to me so i Appreciate That. I just get tired of a few posters who accuse you of being negative/hater if you bring up any small criticism of a player/coach/gm. I actually consider Myself positive and i love the knicks but i also point out stuff that may be less positive but is accurate

My issue (generally, you haven't impressed upon me an extreme lean for what that's worth) its less a matter of accuracy and more an issue of volume. One can be fixated on a true thing. Often times a true thing could be completely superfluous and/or irrelevant to the topic at hand.

that could be true. Maybe im refering to myself more instead of others because i have gotten accused of being a melo hater which aggravates me because its not true. I guess its frustration more than anything because you constantly have to defend yourself

I've been accused of the opposite. Did 5 rounds with Chuckbuck 3 weeks or so ago about whether Melo was the alpha dog of the Knicks, as opposed to KP.

The factual answer of course then and now is Melo, and for stating this fact I was assumed a Melo lover/apologist/ballwasher, etc.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

not true and not fair to say about me. Im a very happy knick fan right now

Be that as it may, as someone who was legitimately away from this forum for a few years and came back cold a few months ago and has mixed feelings about Melo, I can tell you my impression from day 1 was the Melo fixation was very, very real and impossible to escape.

Within days I could see certain screen names and know before I read their posts 80% of what their post would be about.

i get what you are saying and i think you made a very respectful post to me so i Appreciate That. I just get tired of a few posters who accuse you of being negative/hater if you bring up any small criticism of a player/coach/gm. I actually consider Myself positive and i love the knicks but i also point out stuff that may be less positive but is accurate

My issue (generally, you haven't impressed upon me an extreme lean for what that's worth) its less a matter of accuracy and more an issue of volume. One can be fixated on a true thing. Often times a true thing could be completely superfluous and/or irrelevant to the topic at hand.

that could be true. Maybe im refering to myself more instead of others because i have gotten accused of being a melo hater which aggravates me because its not true. I guess its frustration more than anything because you constantly have to defend yourself

I've been accused of the opposite. Did 5 rounds with Chuckbuck 3 weeks or so ago about whether Melo was the alpha dog of the Knicks, as opposed to KP.

The factual answer of course then and now is Melo, and for stating this fact I was assumed a Melo lover/apologist/ballwasher, etc.

neither is the alpha dog IMO. Both have helped eachother. Melo is clearly our best offensive player but KP is the better two way player right now. I dont pick sides bothe have contributed equally

How can you say that melo is not an alpha dog? Is that what you are saying?

martin wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nychamp wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Why keep making threads like this? Im sorry but The so called melo hate is completely overblown.

+100 fishmike, excellent post.

Starks, you're like a climate change denier. Why are you arguing in this thread?

not true and not fair to say about me. Im a very happy knick fan right now

Be that as it may, as someone who was legitimately away from this forum for a few years and came back cold a few months ago and has mixed feelings about Melo, I can tell you my impression from day 1 was the Melo fixation was very, very real and impossible to escape.

Within days I could see certain screen names and know before I read their posts 80% of what their post would be about.

i get what you are saying and i think you made a very respectful post to me so i Appreciate That. I just get tired of a few posters who accuse you of being negative/hater if you bring up any small criticism of a player/coach/gm. I actually consider Myself positive and i love the knicks but i also point out stuff that may be less positive but is accurate

My issue (generally, you haven't impressed upon me an extreme lean for what that's worth) its less a matter of accuracy and more an issue of volume. One can be fixated on a true thing. Often times a true thing could be completely superfluous and/or irrelevant to the topic at hand.

that could be true. Maybe im refering to myself more instead of others because i have gotten accused of being a melo hater which aggravates me because its not true. I guess its frustration more than anything because you constantly have to defend yourself

I've been accused of the opposite. Did 5 rounds with Chuckbuck 3 weeks or so ago about whether Melo was the alpha dog of the Knicks, as opposed to KP.

The factual answer of course then and now is Melo, and for stating this fact I was assumed a Melo lover/apologist/ballwasher, etc.

neither is the alpha dog IMO. Both have helped eachother. Melo is clearly our best offensive player but KP is the better two way player right now. I dont pick sides bothe have contributed equally

How can you say that melo is not an alpha dog? Is that what you are saying?