fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

thanks for the link.

it's a pre-draft workout exchange which happened on june 22nd.
the knicks drafted kp6 on june 25th.
according to "sources close to melo," that same night he informed his buddy tim hardaway junior by phone that he was displeased with the pick that same night, june 25th. why would a friend of melo's make this up? do you think this was something that one of melo's friends made up? if so, why? do you believe melo said he was displeased? his history of foot-in-mouth disease would lead folks with common sense to say he did express his unhappiness.

anyway, a firestorm ensued, forcing melo to get defensive and backtrack, clarify and deny... just like he has done before. happily, kp has far exceeded everyone's expectations, and has been the catalyst for the team in general.

all i asked for was a link. it's content is anecdotal evidence, no more and no less valid than anything else that gets out there, including the alleged displeasure that melo voiced.

why gratuitously spew your garbage?

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

thanks for the link.

it's a pre-draft workout exchange which happened on june 22nd.
the knicks drafted kp6 on june 25th.
according to "sources close to melo," that same night he informed his buddy tim hardaway junior by phone that he was displeased with the pick that same night, june 25th. why would a friend of melo's make this up? do you think this was something that one of melo's friends made up? if so, why? do you believe melo said he was displeased? his history of foot-in-mouth disease would lead folks with common sense to say he did express his unhappiness.

anyway, a firestorm ensued, forcing melo to retract the statement. happily, kp has far exceeded everyone's expectations, and has been the catalyst for the team in general.

all i asked for was a link. it's anecdotal evidence, no more and no less valid than anything else that gets out there.

why gratuitously spew your garbage?

Melo retracted the statement? Link please?

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

anyway, a firestorm ensued,

"firestorm"?

Really?

We need a new way of describing offseason 'stories' like these. That it got attention did not mean it had any meaning. We now know (and some of us did at the time) it was meaningless and had no ramifications.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

Had read the Mills/Melo stuff when the original article came out.

Would have more significant if Melo had looked at Mills and said "What the F'...You kidding me Mills!"

You shouldn't think that SAS and Berman were the only guys discussing Anthony's reactions after the draft. I remember Begely, or perhaps Isola (a fan of KP) on ESPN radio saying he had two sources.

I've said this before- the issue was not Carmelo's reaction- he had the right to be pissed off- the real issue has to do with the guys who hang with the players letting info get out, and it could have been on Melo's side or Hardaway's.

Whatever the reason...Anthony had some kind of change of heart over the summer, and all of us are benefiting from it.

The Herring Tweets are good stuff to consider (I'm just taking the text), and go hand in hand as a follow-up to the Melo/Mills conversation:

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 14 hours ago

Did push him on this. Asked Melo whether KPs impressive play gives him confidence that NY can contend more quickly than previously thought...

(Anthony)Said no one -- Melo included --knew what to make of him on draft night, bc no one had really seen him play KP play live competition here

Melo said he was convinced NY's timeline 4 contending might be quicker than anticipated once he started working out w KP after summer league

(Herring)Took this to mean that he saw what KP was capable of against real NBA-caliber competition for 1st time in those workouts. And was impressed.

Players grow and change all the time...not many examples like the stuff we're seeing with Anthony, though.

Almost looking like Lebron these days,...except for the method acting flopping.

I think the KP "discovery" inspired him but Anthony has been a different guy in many ways, from the Puerto Rico getaway to a more active leadership role on the court, and some of the best D he's EVER played in the NBA.

Some of the stuff we're talking about is probably best left for discussion after the season, when we can assess everything the team has been through. We are not even at the halfway mark for the season, and things can still change...good or bad.

I give my ideas in this type of thread, but I almost feel that I'm going to jinx the team by being too optimistic about what I'm seeing.

Have Hahn on the radio right now- at this very moment he's introducing an upcoming segment by saying that something is starting to turn for the Knicks. I tend to agree with him, and believe that something good is going on and will continue, and believe that discussing and understanding WHY this team is changing is interesting to do, but I'm surprised at all the snipes being made by UK members at each other.

Got to keep the good karma going.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

thanks for the link.

it's a pre-draft workout exchange which happened on june 22nd.
the knicks drafted kp6 on june 25th.
according to "sources close to melo," that same night he informed his buddy tim hardaway junior by phone that he was displeased with the pick that same night, june 25th. why would a friend of melo's make this up? do you think this was something that one of melo's friends made up? if so, why? do you believe melo said he was displeased? his history of foot-in-mouth disease would lead folks with common sense to say he did express his unhappiness.

anyway, a firestorm ensued, forcing melo to retract the statement. happily, kp has far exceeded everyone's expectations, and has been the catalyst for the team in general.

all i asked for was a link. it's anecdotal evidence, no more and no less valid than anything else that gets out there.

why gratuitously spew your garbage?

why spew my garbage? Because its NOT garbage. That would be what others spew. A quote from directly from a GM is NOT "anecdotal evidence" but IS more valuable that an unnamed source from a tabloid. Please I need one of your reminders how smart you are... now would be a good time.

Melo retracted the statement? Link please?

i asked for a link. you provided one; you could have stopped there. but instead you decide to start an argument, speaking to me disrespectfully and hurling one insult after another.

we have not had a cross word all season, so again i ask why the gratuitous aggression?

Not sure I see the disrespect. Did you spout a ton of Melo-garbage based on tabloid anecdotal reports this summer? Yes you did. Were you dead wrong? Well the truth has surfaced has it not? What is telling is that you are more interested in damage control like with your anecdotal comment than simply saying you were wrong about this player.

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

thanks for the link.

it's a pre-draft workout exchange which happened on june 22nd.
the knicks drafted kp6 on june 25th.
according to "sources close to melo," that same night he informed his buddy tim hardaway junior by phone that he was displeased with the pick that same night, june 25th. why would a friend of melo's make this up? do you think this was something that one of melo's friends made up? if so, why? do you believe melo said he was displeased? his history of foot-in-mouth disease would lead folks with common sense to say he did express his unhappiness.

anyway, a firestorm ensued, forcing melo to get defensive and backtrack, clarify and deny... just like he has done before. happily, kp has far exceeded everyone's expectations, and has been the catalyst for the team in general.

all i asked for was a link. it's content is anecdotal evidence, no more and no less valid than anything else that gets out there, including the alleged displeasure that melo voiced.

why gratuitously spew your garbage?

the link that Fish posted was directly from Mills. Mills quoting himself, not some source close to Melo like in the example you tried to compare it to.

And you didn't ask for a link, you demanded it in a way that suggests you don't believe and were put off by it.

And spewing of gratuitous garbage? Read your own posts before you use a phrase like that.

This the the Reality TV era...I think many are expecting everything to be recorded and available on TV or the internet.

I've gotten the feeling that many around here don't respect the reporters and columnists they don't agree with...and question their veracity as reporters of the truth. I've said a number of times that reporters have much to lose if they are proven to have supplied inaccurate details for a story. Folks don't seem to believe me, though.

I believed the reported comments coming from the Anthony camp after the draft, as well as the Mills/Melo conversation. Have the ring of truth for me, and there is no reason why both cannot be seen as truthful.

Hard to choose the truth you want to believe and discard the truth which makes you uncomfortable.

The real story is that despite some ups and downs, Anthony has seemingly evolved into a different player on the court, and in this instance, we have some Reality TV in the form of Knicks games, which provide all the proof we need...right before our eyes.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

i asked for a link. you provided one; you could have stopped there. but instead you decide to start an argument, speaking to me disrespectfully and hurling one insult after another.

we have not had a cross word all season, so again i ask why the gratuitous aggression?

Not sure I see the disrespect. Did you spout a ton of Melo-garbage based on tabloid anecdotal reports this summer? Yes you did. Were you dead wrong? Well the truth has surfaced has it not? What is telling is that you are more interested in damage control like with your anecdotal comment than simply saying you were wrong about this player.

Gentlemen, the great Arthur Miller helmed the iconic "Death of a Salesman", what i have just read here is the equally brilliant "Death of a UK Poster" by Fishmike. Bravo sir, and I very much look fwd to reading your future work.
#theresanewsheriffintown

ChuckBuck wrote:I don't get the conflict here within Knicks fans. Melo been doggin it the last couple years, lazy defender, bad attitude and body language, ugly ISO baller, and continuous losing season after season. In comes KP like a gift from the Gods. In his brief time as a Knick, he's energized the entire franchise from top to bottom.

Without KP lighting a fire from the word go, none of Phil Jackson's moves, Fisher's rotations, or Melo's recent stellar play is even talked about in a positive light.

KP is the catalyst for the 2015-2016 Knicks. Pop is stating the obvious, and he rarely throws praise around. Besides maybe his own players Duncan and Kawhi, he rarely sends a bouquet of flowers anyone's way. Never sent any adulation Melo's way for sure his whole career.

You Knicks fans should get a clue. Be grateful KP inspired Melo to change his losing ways! It's not Fish, it's not Phil...it's simple peer pressure!!!!! Sometimes you need a young buck nipping at your heels threatening to steal your spotlight away to get inspired to better oneself.

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:kp did not change melo

Yeah it's kinda insane to think that right?

do you guys read what Chuck writes? KP is the alpha remember?

But Melo made KP the alpha. Melo spent millions of dollars secretly in Latvia to ensure KP could do those wrap around put-back dunks. Melo spent countless hours letting KP block his shots while wearing Olympic Gold so KP could become the defensive force he is. Melo provided KP's family with all those extra vitamins so KP would be 7'3". Melo instructed Greg Monroe to sign with the Bucks. Melo paid extra to Rolo's agent so he would sign here. Melo kept this all quiet and acted disturbed at the KP pick so he could maintain his Me70 persona.

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:oh, this is going to be good.

not really... Im done. Nor do I really care to engage beyond the simple point I made. The topic doesnt hold the interest for me.

Rookie has said we should amnesty Melo. The analytic crowd was dead set on Melo's contract never being worth it and we should have let him walk for that money. Then you have my favorite... Guns... who during EVERY draft discussion ended his thoughts with "I have very serious doubts about ANY prospect being able to develop with Melo on this roster."

yea... good stuff. Glad that squad are enjoying Knick basketball againt and finding new and creative ways to have been right all along.

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I don't get the conflict here within Knicks fans. Melo been doggin it the last couple years, lazy defender, bad attitude and body language, ugly ISO baller, and continuous losing season after season. In comes KP like a gift from the Gods. In his brief time as a Knick, he's energized the entire franchise from top to bottom.

Without KP lighting a fire from the word go, none of Phil Jackson's moves, Fisher's rotations, or Melo's recent stellar play is even talked about in a positive light.

KP is the catalyst for the 2015-2016 Knicks. Pop is stating the obvious, and he rarely throws praise around. Besides maybe his own players Duncan and Kawhi, he rarely sends a bouquet of flowers anyone's way. Never sent any adulation Melo's way for sure his whole career.

You Knicks fans should get a clue. Be grateful KP inspired Melo to change his losing ways! It's not Fish, it's not Phil...it's simple peer pressure!!!!! Sometimes you need a young buck nipping at your heels threatening to steal your spotlight away to get inspired to better oneself.

I actually think Melo came in with a different attitude before the season. A new roster may have given him a new lease on life. Plus Phil getting in his head as he has done his entire career. What's going on isn't an accident even if there was some good fortune mixed in. This culture was created on PURPOSE! Phil clearly stated what his intentions were and we see the team has developed exactly as he said he wanted it to. This team is developing along the lines of Phil's other teams even tho they all had a slightly different mix.

I believe Melo started changing his game last season but he had such horrible talent on the court with him that it wasn't as noticeable as it is this year. He was passing more last year, at least for the first half of the season which is all he played.