Nalod wrote:.....and in the scope of things, Knicks one game from .500 with 12 of the next 17 at home are playing pretty good.

The other thing is as the knicks schematic get more difficult we have seen some players and team play take a step back, then evolve even further. Grant looks like he is mind phucked but perhaps that is because more is being asked of him. To bring in new players who might be way behind the learning curve is much harder than "hey, it can't hurt to demote Grant and let him Fly free in the dleague then bring him back to the disciplined structure".....Yes it can.

Good call, Whiteside and others get a years to make Briggs look good but Grant hits a major wall and seemingly not hurting the team and we should send him down. He might be on the cusp of breaking thru. That would be a shame.

I am confident the Bling 36 can see what is happening and prescribe what is needed.

Actually Whiteside got the chance to develop his game in the d league. Right now grants 16 minutes could be the difference between a playoff team and non playoff team. We can't afford to develop at the expense of winning right now????

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:.....and in the scope of things, Knicks one game from .500 with 12 of the next 17 at home are playing pretty good.

The other thing is as the knicks schematic get more difficult we have seen some players and team play take a step back, then evolve even further. Grant looks like he is mind phucked but perhaps that is because more is being asked of him. To bring in new players who might be way behind the learning curve is much harder than "hey, it can't hurt to demote Grant and let him Fly free in the dleague then bring him back to the disciplined structure".....Yes it can.

Good call, Whiteside and others get a years to make Briggs look good but Grant hits a major wall and seemingly not hurting the team and we should send him down. He might be on the cusp of breaking thru. That would be a shame.

I am confident the Bling 36 can see what is happening and prescribe what is needed.

Actually Whiteside got the chance to develop his game in the d league. Right now grants 16 minutes could be the difference between a playoff team and non playoff team. We can't afford to develop at the expense of winning right now????

"On December 14, 2012, Whiteside was acquired by the Sioux Falls Skyforce.[21] On January 4, 2013, Whiteside was traded to the Rio Grande Valley Vipers in exchange for Damian Saunders.[22] After the D-League season, he joined Amchit Club in Lebanon.[23]

On May 26, 2013, Whiteside joined the Sichuan Blue Whales (NBL) in China. He played 27 games averaging 25.7 points (56.4% shooting), 16.6 rebounds, 5.1 blocks, and 1.4 steals per game. He was named Defensive Player of the Year, Center of the Year, and was selected to the All-NBL 1st Team. The Blue Whales went undefeated in the playoffs en route to the NBL Championship. Whiteside was awarded Finals MVP.[24][25]

In November 2013, Whiteside signed with Al Mouttahed Tripoli of the Lebanese Basketball League.[26] He was released in April 2014.[27] The next month, he joined the Jiangsu Tongxi of China, before leaving them in June after 17 games.[28]"

Not the most conventional path but his 7 feet and crazy athletics has given him opportunities. Don't get me wrong Briggs, you spotted his ability early and were correct and obviously something else was missing from his game. Call it maturity and he was young enough to get another chance.

Quite frankly I'd rather develop him, and hold Dwilliams to a high standard and have him play the right way than win a few more games and squeak into the playoffs. With no pick this year its important we develop our toots. Remember our 2nd unit was better than our starters but they "got it". The bench is slower to come around.

If the potential is there i'd rather the team stick to "doing it the right way" then just making the playoffs and then getting bounced. If they can get it together with substance they could be dangerous first round opponent. Just my opinion. IM long term oriented.

This is one of the reason I'm in favor of trading for a veteran backup SG even. Move Galloway to backup PG. I do believe in Grant's potential, but more for the longrun.

Knicks1969 wrote:I dont believe it will hurt if we add another guard like Frdette or Toure on the roster while Grant is still growing.

How will it help?

Nine-man rotation is pretty set.

Knickoftime wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I dont believe it will hurt if we add another guard like Frdette or Toure on the roster while Grant is still growing.

How will it help?

Nine-man rotation is pretty set.

Nothing wrong with quality depth. Spurs, CAVS n Warriors have deep teams.

blkexec wrote:Good job Briggs for putting yourself out there with this thread. Looks like you will be eating your words for sometime. But I'm sure your come back will say, it's only one game. What a fan! You will save face by simply saying you jumped the gun on this one. Grant is actually a keeper. He has the PG size Phil Jackson likes. And he can play both guard positions. This team needs Grant more than you think.

Jees I'm not rooting against my own team and it is only 1 game. I think he could've used developmental time and I think we will see real quick he still does. I hope not but well see

They have been playing grant all along and it must have been because the coach's see he is close to pushing thru.
Consistency is born from being inconsistant. Development is done from assimilating at the higher level.

There are many paths and its just briggs offering an opinion and rooting for the kid. Lets be happy for Grants play. Its not like Briggs kept the kid down in any way!

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:Good job Briggs for putting yourself out there with this thread. Looks like you will be eating your words for sometime. But I'm sure your come back will say, it's only one game. What a fan! You will save face by simply saying you jumped the gun on this one. Grant is actually a keeper. He has the PG size Phil Jackson likes. And he can play both guard positions. This team needs Grant more than you think.

Jees I'm not rooting against my own team and it is only 1 game. I think he could've used developmental time and I think we will see real quick he still does. I hope not but well see

I think Grant had a good start of the year, has shown flashes of being a good player. I think he lost a bit of confidence, and he's shown signs of getting over that and realizing he belongs in the NBA.

I only caught part of the game last night, but I thought the best play he made was at the end of the game, Celtics needing to foul and rather than play 'conservative' & dumb and allow them to foul him, he found D Williams under the basket with a fantastic, court long pass for a dunk.

We have not had that kind of play made by a PG since pretty much I've been rooting for the Knicks since Hubie Brown.

Grant played well in summer league.....he started declining when the coach wasn't giving him consistent minutes. Grant is the type that needs minutes to increase his own confidence and he wasn't getting that. We all knew his shooting needs work but he has so many other tools in his tool box that we could use. KP came in with confidence because the coaches gave him a starter role from the beginning. ....