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GustavBahler
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1/10/2016  11:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2016  11:22 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:who would have thought that it would take a while for a rookie head coach to start looking like a real head coach? fisher was a heady player so anyone who actually has patience would know that eventually fisher would turn into a good coach. i think the way he's settled on his rotation, the way kp has come along, the way melo has played the way he's played, the way the team is always fighting... these can be attributed to fisher. people like knicks1969 and knick1248 must feel pretty stupid.

nobody knew anything.

That's not true! Some of us expressed that he had shown signs of being able to coach. We understood that early on he was trying to see what he had at the same time learning how to use his team. We still don't know just how good Fish will be as a coach but he's growing in the job.

we can say that everybody is great and some will actually end up being good.

your contributions in your own thread have been outstanding. thanks for these 5star posts.

All I hear from these guys is how Nixluva is always wrong! Then when things actually work out as I stated, they say it's just a fluke! Well that's not the case when you break down into detail how you think things will work out. Some of us just understood what was really going on and it's not about just throwing positive crap at the wall. Saying that is just a lame way to avoid giving credit.

Please, Phil could have trotted out a head of lettuce as head coach and you would be on board 100 percent.

Yeah that's what I'd expect from you! I'm quite comfortable with my statements in threads which fully support what I'm saying. I was very fair in my assessment of Fish. I called him an average coach at this stage of his career. Nothing Pollyanna about the but keep on spouting your nonsense anyway. I back up the things I post with facts and reason.

If you were more willing to admit when you got things wrong, you might not be seen as a homer. Fisher was coaching like someone who was unsure of himself, which is why he was changing up things that were working, not because of some brilliant plan.

I said that Fisher needs to do a better job of making decisions for me to want him back in NY, and he's starting to, but there is still half a season to go. Im happy with his and the team's progress, but Im still waiting to see how things shake out. Doesn't make me a hater.

I admit being wrong all the time! Besides that isn't an excuse for someone to try and belittle what I contribute to the forum. I tried to help people understand the Triangle and some including you kept pissing on what I was writing! There was no reason for any of that.

Not really, its usually like extracting teeth. You talk down to people a lot, thats what usually does it, even if you have just been proven to be wrong. Not trying to make it sound like you are the only poster who does stuff to piss people off, we all have.

Sometimes posters disagree with you because of a difference of opinion, not because they dont understand what you're saying.

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mreinman
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1/10/2016  11:19 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:who would have thought that it would take a while for a rookie head coach to start looking like a real head coach? fisher was a heady player so anyone who actually has patience would know that eventually fisher would turn into a good coach. i think the way he's settled on his rotation, the way kp has come along, the way melo has played the way he's played, the way the team is always fighting... these can be attributed to fisher. people like knicks1969 and knick1248 must feel pretty stupid.

nobody knew anything.

That's not true! Some of us expressed that he had shown signs of being able to coach. We understood that early on he was trying to see what he had at the same time learning how to use his team. We still don't know just how good Fish will be as a coach but he's growing in the job.

we can say that everybody is great and some will actually end up being good.

your contributions in your own thread have been outstanding. thanks for these 5star posts.

All I hear from these guys is how Nixluva is always wrong! Then when things actually work out as I stated, they say it's just a fluke! Well that's not the case when you break down into detail how you think things will work out. Some of us just understood what was really going on and it's not about just throwing positive crap at the wall. Saying that is just a lame way to avoid giving credit.

Please, Phil could have trotted out a head of lettuce as head coach and you would be on board 100 percent.

Yeah that's what I'd expect from you! I'm quite comfortable with my statements in threads which fully support what I'm saying. I was very fair in my assessment of Fish. I called him an average coach at this stage of his career. Nothing Pollyanna about the but keep on spouting your nonsense anyway. I back up the things I post with facts and reason.

If you were more willing to admit when you got things wrong, you might not be seen as a homer. Fisher was coaching like someone who was unsure of himself, which is why he was changing up things that were working, not because of some brilliant plan.

I said that Fisher needs to do a better job of making decisions for me to want him back in NY, and he's starting to, but there is still half a season to go. Im happy with his and the team's progress, but Im still waiting to see how things shake out. Doesn't make me a hater.

I admit being wrong all the time! Besides that isn't an excuse for someone to try and belittle what I contribute to the forum. I tried to help people understand the Triangle and some including you kept pissing on what I was writing! There was no reason for any of that.

all those triangle pictures make me dizzy.

I liked that period when you were posted advanced stats and presenting really good insight.

This triangle flag waving and saying the same things over and over again how this is what phil wanted are getting a bit stale (for me).

With all the research that you do, you could find and present meaningful data that we may not be aware of. And it would be nice if it could contain the positive and the negative.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
mreinman
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1/10/2016  11:20 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Fisher and his staff played themselves like idiots when they where playing 12 guys a night, especially when they had shorten the rotation in most of our wins but continued to experiment long after.

It was such a no brainer

yeah right. You had the rotation down but those damn fuking idiots are clueless still tinkering with an already working prototype ... nice

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

I agree wholeheartedly with knicks1248

well then I must change my stance and agree too

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Malcolm
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1/10/2016  11:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2016  11:22 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Fisher and his staff played themselves like idiots when they where playing 12 guys a night, especially when they had shorten the rotation in most of our wins but continued to experiment long after.

It was such a no brainer

yeah right. You had the rotation down but those damn fuking idiots are clueless still tinkering with an already working prototype ... nice

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

I agree wholeheartedly with knicks1248

And I disagree.

If you'd read Phil's books . . . you'd have guessed what Fisher was doing in those games when he was using 12 guys a night.

knicks1248
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1/10/2016  11:33 PM
Malcolm wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Fisher and his staff played themselves like idiots when they where playing 12 guys a night, especially when they had shorten the rotation in most of our wins but continued to experiment long after.

It was such a no brainer

yeah right. You had the rotation down but those damn fuking idiots are clueless still tinkering with an already working prototype ... nice

Are you being sarcastic or serious?

I agree wholeheartedly with knicks1248

And I disagree.

If you'd read Phil's books . . . you'd have guessed what Fisher was doing in those games when he was using 12 guys a night.

He tried to shorten the rotations to limit the two-minute, three-minute windows where the game gets away from us. Whether it will stay that way, we’ll see but it’s worked well so far.’’

When i kept complaining about the token two, thee, minutes he would give guys, it was completely stupid and causing us games, and it took him 30 games to figure this out, and I've been saying it for weeks upon weeks.

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nixluva
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1/10/2016  11:38 PM
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:who would have thought that it would take a while for a rookie head coach to start looking like a real head coach? fisher was a heady player so anyone who actually has patience would know that eventually fisher would turn into a good coach. i think the way he's settled on his rotation, the way kp has come along, the way melo has played the way he's played, the way the team is always fighting... these can be attributed to fisher. people like knicks1969 and knick1248 must feel pretty stupid.

nobody knew anything.

That's not true! Some of us expressed that he had shown signs of being able to coach. We understood that early on he was trying to see what he had at the same time learning how to use his team. We still don't know just how good Fish will be as a coach but he's growing in the job.

we can say that everybody is great and some will actually end up being good.

your contributions in your own thread have been outstanding. thanks for these 5star posts.

All I hear from these guys is how Nixluva is always wrong! Then when things actually work out as I stated, they say it's just a fluke! Well that's not the case when you break down into detail how you think things will work out. Some of us just understood what was really going on and it's not about just throwing positive crap at the wall. Saying that is just a lame way to avoid giving credit.

Please, Phil could have trotted out a head of lettuce as head coach and you would be on board 100 percent.

Yeah that's what I'd expect from you! I'm quite comfortable with my statements in threads which fully support what I'm saying. I was very fair in my assessment of Fish. I called him an average coach at this stage of his career. Nothing Pollyanna about the but keep on spouting your nonsense anyway. I back up the things I post with facts and reason.

If you were more willing to admit when you got things wrong, you might not be seen as a homer. Fisher was coaching like someone who was unsure of himself, which is why he was changing up things that were working, not because of some brilliant plan.

I said that Fisher needs to do a better job of making decisions for me to want him back in NY, and he's starting to, but there is still half a season to go. Im happy with his and the team's progress, but Im still waiting to see how things shake out. Doesn't make me a hater.

I admit being wrong all the time! Besides that isn't an excuse for someone to try and belittle what I contribute to the forum. I tried to help people understand the Triangle and some including you kept pissing on what I was writing! There was no reason for any of that.

all those triangle pictures make me dizzy.

I liked that period when you were posted advanced stats and presenting really good insight.

This triangle flag waving and saying the same things over and over again how this is what phil wanted are getting a bit stale (for me).

With all the research that you do, you could find and present meaningful data that we may not be aware of. And it would be nice if it could contain the positive and the negative.

Do you need more research than what your eyes are telling you about how the players are grasping the System? I only defended the Triangle when some were bashing it without even knowing the system or giving the players a chance to learn it. I was trying to help people understand the system. It's not the only way to play ball but it's a proven system.

mreinman
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1/10/2016  11:42 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:who would have thought that it would take a while for a rookie head coach to start looking like a real head coach? fisher was a heady player so anyone who actually has patience would know that eventually fisher would turn into a good coach. i think the way he's settled on his rotation, the way kp has come along, the way melo has played the way he's played, the way the team is always fighting... these can be attributed to fisher. people like knicks1969 and knick1248 must feel pretty stupid.

nobody knew anything.

That's not true! Some of us expressed that he had shown signs of being able to coach. We understood that early on he was trying to see what he had at the same time learning how to use his team. We still don't know just how good Fish will be as a coach but he's growing in the job.

we can say that everybody is great and some will actually end up being good.

your contributions in your own thread have been outstanding. thanks for these 5star posts.

All I hear from these guys is how Nixluva is always wrong! Then when things actually work out as I stated, they say it's just a fluke! Well that's not the case when you break down into detail how you think things will work out. Some of us just understood what was really going on and it's not about just throwing positive crap at the wall. Saying that is just a lame way to avoid giving credit.

Please, Phil could have trotted out a head of lettuce as head coach and you would be on board 100 percent.

Yeah that's what I'd expect from you! I'm quite comfortable with my statements in threads which fully support what I'm saying. I was very fair in my assessment of Fish. I called him an average coach at this stage of his career. Nothing Pollyanna about the but keep on spouting your nonsense anyway. I back up the things I post with facts and reason.

If you were more willing to admit when you got things wrong, you might not be seen as a homer. Fisher was coaching like someone who was unsure of himself, which is why he was changing up things that were working, not because of some brilliant plan.

I said that Fisher needs to do a better job of making decisions for me to want him back in NY, and he's starting to, but there is still half a season to go. Im happy with his and the team's progress, but Im still waiting to see how things shake out. Doesn't make me a hater.

I admit being wrong all the time! Besides that isn't an excuse for someone to try and belittle what I contribute to the forum. I tried to help people understand the Triangle and some including you kept pissing on what I was writing! There was no reason for any of that.

all those triangle pictures make me dizzy.

I liked that period when you were posted advanced stats and presenting really good insight.

This triangle flag waving and saying the same things over and over again how this is what phil wanted are getting a bit stale (for me).

With all the research that you do, you could find and present meaningful data that we may not be aware of. And it would be nice if it could contain the positive and the negative.

Do you need more research than what your eyes are telling you about how the players are grasping the System? I only defended the Triangle when some were bashing it without even knowing the system or giving the players a chance to learn it. I was trying to help people understand the system. It's not the only way to play ball but it's a proven system.

your triangle discussions seem to only interest you and malcom. The rest of the posters are just trying to get a rise out of you.

your posts about offensive efficiency numbers in the triangle years were interesting (though tainted).

you seem to know the game pretty well but you are posting lately as if your legacy depends on the triangle.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Fisher earning his stripes

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