yellowboy90 wrote:I always thought his D was overrated and that he was easily out muscled. I hope he has polished his game though.

Out muscled by who?? Other point guards?? He's got size for a point guard so i don't see him getting out muscled really. His problem is his offensive game. I remember him being good at getting to the basket but bad at finishing and putting the ball in the basket.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Tour'e makes a lot of sense; specially, given that we will invest to keep Langston who is a 6'2" SG. We need length....

Yeah he's not a great offensive player but adding his defense will mean more to us than adding just a scorer would. I think it would add more versatility to the lineups you can play. It can be a tough call but since this team is really showing some serious defensive ability, it would be great to be able to add another solid defensive player at guard. We could put some KILLER defensive lineups on the floor.

I agree. As currently constituted, the biggest problems with the Knicks are the inability to stop opposing PGs and and speed up the tempo/penetrating the paint to collapse the defense. Murry is good at both of these things. If he is now a confident offensive player, he is even a greater asset

Yeah. He also seems like he's gonna run the offense and he's not looking to be a "Superstar" or play "hero ball". He's capable of doing everything but he's a more humble player. With a team like this that could make him a much better fit. We know he has some familiarity with being in NY too.

You can watch the entire game here:
http://dleague.nba.com/games/20160102/RGVTEX/

BRIGGS wrote:green is close to 6-4 but he can also penetrate dish and has a nice outside shot. What's the big difference between grant and murry!

Defense.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/source/knicks-scouting-toure-murry-at-nba-d-league-showcase-12108797

I'm not interested in Toure. If we get him fine but I'm over him at this point

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks will need to spend that capspace money this summer on getting that sort of guard. I'm not looking towards anything before then. I'm sure some talk will arise around trade deadline, but our rotation is pretty set. I can see some moves happen, but Phil built this team with the long run in mind. Why should he negate the strength which is our front court depth, size and talent (even tough KOQ/Seraphin are out of the rotation, come injuries or in games against weaker opponents they will be needed) to get a guard that may not even work out in the offense.

I know we're close to being a playoff team, but I'd like to have capspace in the summer to keep adding. What I'm concerned about is what the situation will be with relevance to Thomas and Galloway - and capspace. Can we keep them and spend 20 million or so in cap? Do Thomas and Galloway have cap holds next season for us?

nyknickzingis wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Knicks will need to spend that capspace money this summer on getting that sort of guard. I'm not looking towards anything before then. I'm sure some talk will arise around trade deadline, but our rotation is pretty set. I can see some moves happen, but Phil built this team with the long run in mind. Why should he negate the strength which is our front court depth, size and talent (even tough KOQ/Seraphin are out of the rotation, come injuries or in games against weaker opponents they will be needed) to get a guard that may not even work out in the offense.

I know we're close to being a playoff team, but I'd like to have capspace in the summer to keep adding. What I'm concerned about is what the situation will be with relevance to Thomas and Galloway - and capspace. Can we keep them and spend 20 million or so in cap? Do Thomas and Galloway have cap holds next season for us?

I think Phil and his staff have changed their view on this year. KP has made things happen MUCH faster. Not that they'd blow cap space but if they feel they can upgrade the roster they're gonna do it!!! He hasn't left a spot open for nothing. It's only a matter of time IMO. Besides handing out 10 days isn't going to ruin the future. Phil will retain his flexibility for a future deal. SO far they've played this just right.

I think the team being competitive has only cemented that they should stick with the group they have and make a move in the summer. Because continuity is everything in the Triangle. Now that Fish has ironed out his 9 man rotation, I could see Phil open to dealing O'Quinn/Seraphin in deals at deadline. It makes sense, and if there's a guard he really likes or thinks will fit in, they'll do it IMO. However, I don't see anything more than that. If you look around the league, any decent player in the backcourt is making a ton of money. I can't see us making a deal with just O'Quinn/Seraphin. I personally don't see a trade on the horizon. I definitely agree that we're 1 very good backcourt player away from being a contender, but that player won't be easy to attain, especially since our best assets won't be available via trade for that sort of player (Porzingis, Melo).

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?