yellowboy90 wrote:Perfect time to trade him and I'm serious. This might be his most valuable point. Honestly if he can continue to play aggressively and look to score his efficiency will actually be an asset. He was around a 12% ish which is Tyson Chandler territory. You can't have your starting PG with a ish comparable to what Prigs used to do.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Perfect time to trade him and I'm serious. This might be his most valuable point. Honestly if he can continue to play aggressively and look to score his efficiency will actually be an asset. He was around a 12% ish which is Tyson Chandler territory. You can't have your starting PG with a ish comparable to what Prigs used to do.

nobody else can run this offense. If jose goes out for too long we are a complete mess. He is not prigs at all and he is getting more and more aggressive.

The only differences from Jose and Pablo are age, minutes played, and Pablo was a slightly better defender at age 35 and 36 than Pablo ever has been in his career.

take a look and find something dramatically different in Pablo's 1st two years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/prigipa01.html

prigs could not get any shots off and though efficient, he did not have that much production.

It's the same production per minute almost. Also, Prigs could get his shot off he just chose not too just like Jose. Yes, Jose maybe able to finish at the rim better but what good is it when he barely does it.

Like I said when your starting PG has a usg under 12 it basically handicaps his ultra high efficiency.

you just have him as your hate guy. Thats fine

I don't hate Jose at all. I would actually like him as a back up but his 7m+ may hurt the knicks in FA next year.

nyknickzingis wrote:Hard to believe for many especially the media but practically every single Phil Jackson move has turned out to be one that looks good or solid. He basically got talent that individually isn't impressive at all. He's scouted what his teams need to run the system and defend. In that regard he's got guys like Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, Thomas, Galloway, Derrick Williams - all guys who have contributed and fit into this team really well. If KP turns into a reliable 2nd all-star or the Knicks are able to attain one via free agency or trade, then they have all the makings of a contender. Until then, I'm still skeptical about us being a very good team. I will say it's nice to see us 3 wins shy of the #2 team in the East. We've got 18 wins, and Bulls have 21.

One more thing - guys like Jose, Afflalo, Lopez etc. all make this a team you like to watch and want to root for. Most teams that are inconsistent, streaky and .500 caliber aren't nearly as much fun as this group. This is the most I've enjoyed a mediocre Knicks team in ages. Big part is definitely KP, but even that withstanding, I genuinely can see the team work and enjoy the way they try to play. Afflalo, Calderon, Lopez, Thomas etc. are all very very likable guys easy to root for.

IMHO KP gonna be franchise level guy, allstar in 2 years.

Knicks sign Batum this coming year to a ridiculous $19M contract. Westbrook the next year. Get it done Phil.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Perfect time to trade him and I'm serious. This might be his most valuable point. Honestly if he can continue to play aggressively and look to score his efficiency will actually be an asset. He was around a 12% ish which is Tyson Chandler territory. You can't have your starting PG with a ish comparable to what Prigs used to do.

nobody else can run this offense. If jose goes out for too long we are a complete mess. He is not prigs at all and he is getting more and more aggressive.

The only differences from Jose and Pablo are age, minutes played, and Pablo was a slightly better defender at age 35 and 36 than Pablo ever has been in his career.

take a look and find something dramatically different in Pablo's 1st two years.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/prigipa01.html

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Perfect time to trade him and I'm serious. This might be his most valuable point. Honestly if he can continue to play aggressively and look to score his efficiency will actually be an asset. He was around a 12% ish which is Tyson Chandler territory. You can't have your starting PG with a ish comparable to what Prigs used to do.

Yes...his trade value will never be higher than right now...unload that contract! He will not sustain this.

Hard to give him up at this point when the team is doing better than expected.

Another Catch-22 situation...if he's playing well and the team is winning, how can you disrupt things and trade him? And if he's playing poorly, who will take him?

The only trade scenario would be Jose playing well, the Knicks playing poorly, and Grant playing like a veteran. This is not happening, therefore he is not being traded.

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Perfect time to trade him and I'm serious. This might be his most valuable point. Honestly if he can continue to play aggressively and look to score his efficiency will actually be an asset. He was around a 12% ish which is Tyson Chandler territory. You can't have your starting PG with a ish comparable to what Prigs used to do.

Yes...his trade value will never be higher than right now...unload that contract! He will not sustain this.

Who would you trade him to...and for whom?

Hard to give him up at this point when the team is doing better than expected.

Another Catch-22 situation...if he's playing well and the team is winning, how can you disrupt things and trade him? And if he's playing poorly, who will take him?

The only trade scenario would be Jose playing well, the Knicks playing poorly, and Grant playing like a veteran. This is not happening, therefore he is not being traded.

Yes this

It really is a catch 22 situation but hopefully he can keep up his efficiency/play and the Knicks get into a playoffs. Then try to unload him to LA or someone.

It would be nice if a pg was called up just to get a look. If that of does well in practice and spot duty behind Gallo they could send Grant down to learn the system. Teams barely practice during the season other than walk throughs and shoot around. JG needs reps and coaches who have time to systematically break down the triangle.

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Perfect time to trade him and I'm serious. This might be his most valuable point. Honestly if he can continue to play aggressively and look to score his efficiency will actually be an asset. He was around a 12% ish which is Tyson Chandler territory. You can't have your starting PG with a ish comparable to what Prigs used to do.

Yes...his trade value will never be higher than right now...unload that contract! He will not sustain this.

Who would you trade him to...and for whom?

Hard to give him up at this point when the team is doing better than expected.

Another Catch-22 situation...if he's playing well and the team is winning, how can you disrupt things and trade him? And if he's playing poorly, who will take him?

The only trade scenario would be Jose playing well, the Knicks playing poorly, and Grant playing like a veteran. This is not happening, therefore he is not being traded.

Yes this

It really is a catch 22 situation but hopefully he can keep up his efficiency/play and the Knicks get into a playoffs. Then try to unload him to LA or someone.

It would be nice if a pg was called up just to get a look. If that of does well in practice and spot duty behind Gallo they could send Grant down to learn the system. Teams barely practice during the season other than walk throughs and shoot around. JG needs reps and coaches who have time to systematically break down the triangle.

You know what, if a young, unsigned PG were smart - Erick Green, IDK who the DLeague PG/SG prospects are - I'd target the West Chester Knicks and move myself to that team to learn the Triangle. You KNOW the Knicks need an upgrade at wing over the next years but you also know you need to prove to Phil you can be effective in that system. 10 day contracts may not be worth it cause you can't learn and then prove your worth.

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fishmike wrote:Jose brings a lot. People dont see the stuff off the court or on the sidelines. Ive played ball with guys like him and Ive played that role myself (different sport, same role). You see Bosh hold the guy like a lover after the game? Jose's teammates love him. There is more to team chemistry than video game stats. A marginal upgrade/replacement for Jose probably does more harm than good. The best scenario is LG or Grant overtaking him.

I got a lot of flack for defending the Tyson trade. Even more crap for defending signing Lance of NDour or whoever. Patience and perspective people... teambuilding is not plug and play.

Over the past couple of games for Jose... Is this the player Phil was targeting that played deep in the 7th game with Dallas in the Western Conference against Spurs?

Everyone knows his limitations, but the guy plays his ass off. That quick transition 3 last night buried the Heat. He also straight up outplayed Dragic, a guy the Knicks and Phil were open about coveting. Nice.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:Jose brings a lot. People dont see the stuff off the court or on the sidelines. Ive played ball with guys like him and Ive played that role myself (different sport, same role). You see Bosh hold the guy like a lover after the game? Jose's teammates love him. There is more to team chemistry than video game stats. A marginal upgrade/replacement for Jose probably does more harm than good. The best scenario is LG or Grant overtaking him.

I got a lot of flack for defending the Tyson trade. Even more crap for defending signing Lance of NDour or whoever. Patience and perspective people... teambuilding is not plug and play.

Over the past couple of games for Jose... Is this the player Phil was targeting that played deep in the 7th game with Dallas in the Western Conference against Spurs?

youtube Calderon's highlights and one of the first things that come up is him playing great against Parker and the Spurs the playoffs before we traded for him. He got hurt, the team was terrible and everyone killed Phil. Now people are seeing the guy we traded for. No... he's not a star or a world beater but he can play, he's a legit floor general and he's a fantastic lockerroom guy that Fisher no doubt covets. Look at how his teammates interact with Jose. Look at how former teammates gush about him. Phil really seems to have a nice feel for balancing the roster with glue guys, lockerroom guys, wild cards and a few big guns. Jose is an important part of that mix. Easy guy to root for.

Everyone knows his limitations, but the guy plays his ass off. That quick transition 3 last night buried the Heat. He also straight up outplayed Dragic, a guy the Knicks and Phil were open about coveting. Nice.

Yeah, Dragic should be embarrassed. Bet Riley is regretting that move.

yellowboy90 wrote:I don't know if I would call Jose a floor general because he misses several reads throughout a game. Has he gotten better forcing the issue, Yes. I hope he keeps it up.

he does miss things and that is frustrating but can that also be the triangle that they are all trying to master?