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fishmike
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1/6/2016  12:47 PM
mreinman wrote:
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Caseloads wrote:anyone else notice?

They did. The only error I can point to is down the stretch in the forth; we almost gave the game away due to RoLo guarding a stretch four who was much smaller and agile. He guarded Millsap on several occasions and the opposing team ended up with several made three point shots. We got lucky, because some of our boys were able to keep scoring; as well as, because we had a double digit lead. We almost got outcoached

Rolo was out in the 4th and we were getting killed. Fisher brought him back in to help stop the bleeding and he did.

The open threes come from our guards getting beat and Rolo needed to help defend penetration.

You really are reaching.

and not accurate either.
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1/6/2016  1:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2016  1:06 PM
One thing about the Atlanta games and the 9 man rotation - Atlanta likes to play small.

It allowed Melo to bully ball Bazemore, it allowed Afflalo to bully ball Korver, it allowed KP to post up on Millsap. KP killed Millsap on the other end, too, blocking his shot and harassing him all night. Rolo did a fantastic job on Horford.

And when the bench came in and Fisher went to that lineup where Lance and DWill are playing the 2/3 - Atlanta had no size at all to contain DWill's drives and had to foul him to stop him.

I do wonder if some of the great lineup stuff we saw was matchup dependent. I hope to see it continue - but Atlanta wound up being a good matchup for some of what they did. That said, it could also mean Fisher is noticing this stuff and knows his team well enough to know who to use and when - it could mean Fisher is turning into a very good in-game coach who can see a matchup advantage and exploit it.

I sort of hope Whiteside is out tonight in Miami (he's a game time decision with patella pain that sounds like it could be a bigger issue), obviously because it'd be easier to win - but I want to see how the Knicks play against a smaller lineup in Miami - the way they played against the smaller lineups of Atlanta would be fine by me!

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1/6/2016  1:52 PM
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EnySpree wrote:We're all very selfish. Myself included. That's just who we are as knick fans.

It's going to take time to get the team going. Coaching too.

Fisher has to keep the rotation at 9. I like that he chose to roll with Williams and Lance at Forward. Grant and Galloway together off the bench is the way to go.

Melo and Kristaps need Affalo to find his game every night. Mr Black hole Afflalo needs to be selfish and take his shots. We are hard to defend if Affalo is attacking. Melo will get his and Kristaps needs that extra guy keeping the double team away.

Calderón has been playing great. He's running the team very well. He has his flaws but he's helping more than hurting most nights.

Rolo is a hack. He is ****ing everyone up allowing melo and Kristaps to do what they do.

Go knicks

I agree with all this.

Except I think Fisher will need to go deeper than 9 guys on back to backs sometimes. I think we might see 10-11 guys tonight - Melo and Rolo played season highs in minutes last night.

I don't think you can go 9 guys every night of the season - but it's a good model for how to win big games or play against really good teams.

Melo played over 40 mins. Afflalo and Calderon played almost 36 mins apiece. We haven't even reached the half way point of the season. KOQ needs to be inserted into the lineup. Spread the minutes. Play like you're going to the playoffs.

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1/6/2016  1:57 PM
crzymdups wrote:One thing about the Atlanta games and the 9 man rotation - Atlanta likes to play small.

It allowed Melo to bully ball Bazemore, it allowed Afflalo to bully ball Korver, it allowed KP to post up on Millsap. KP killed Millsap on the other end, too, blocking his shot and harassing him all night. Rolo did a fantastic job on Horford.

And when the bench came in and Fisher went to that lineup where Lance and DWill are playing the 2/3 - Atlanta had no size at all to contain DWill's drives and had to foul him to stop him.

I do wonder if some of the great lineup stuff we saw was matchup dependent. I hope to see it continue - but Atlanta wound up being a good matchup for some of what they did.


Yeah, probably true to some significant degree.

But it's a start: regularly beat the teams that we're a good matchup for.

Next: look better against the teams we're NOT a good matchup for.

Miami is almost the worst, isn't it (?)

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1/6/2016  2:21 PM
Malcolm wrote:
crzymdups wrote:One thing about the Atlanta games and the 9 man rotation - Atlanta likes to play small.

It allowed Melo to bully ball Bazemore, it allowed Afflalo to bully ball Korver, it allowed KP to post up on Millsap. KP killed Millsap on the other end, too, blocking his shot and harassing him all night. Rolo did a fantastic job on Horford.

And when the bench came in and Fisher went to that lineup where Lance and DWill are playing the 2/3 - Atlanta had no size at all to contain DWill's drives and had to foul him to stop him.

I do wonder if some of the great lineup stuff we saw was matchup dependent. I hope to see it continue - but Atlanta wound up being a good matchup for some of what they did.


Yeah, probably true to some significant degree.

But it's a start: regularly beat the teams that we're a good matchup for.

Next: look better against the teams we're NOT a good matchup for.

Miami is almost the worst, isn't it (?)

Miami is a tough one because they have big physical wings. Like Orlando, that gives us fits. If Afflalo is at a physical disadvantage - meaning shorter and less fast and less strong - than the guy he is facing, he tends to have those quiet 2-8fg 6pts nights, it seems.

We shall see...

One promising development is Fisher can maybe use the super big lineup of Lance, DWill, Melo at the 2/3/4 for some stretches. I'd be curious to see that against Miami. Wade has lost more than a step - I'd like to see if Lance could cover him.

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1/6/2016  4:35 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:anyone else notice?

They did. The only error I can point to is down the stretch in the forth; we almost gave the game away due to RoLo guarding a stretch four who was much smaller and agile. He guarded Millsap on several occasions and the opposing team ended up with several made three point shots. We got lucky, because some of our boys were able to keep scoring; as well as, because we had a double digit lead. We almost got outcoached

yet another pathetic attempt at driving your own agenda. if that is actually your take on watching the game, then you really know absolutely nothing about the way the game of basketball is played.

I guess many of us did not watch the same game. I have been fair with my criticism.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/6/2016  4:36 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:anyone else notice?

They did. The only error I can point to is down the stretch in the forth; we almost gave the game away due to RoLo guarding a stretch four who was much smaller and agile. He guarded Millsap on several occasions and the opposing team ended up with several made three point shots. We got lucky, because some of our boys were able to keep scoring; as well as, because we had a double digit lead. We almost got outcoached

yet another pathetic attempt at driving your own agenda. if that is actually your take on watching the game, then you really know absolutely nothing about the way the game of basketball is played.

I guess many of us did not watch the same game. I have been fair with my criticism.

very fair

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/6/2016  5:02 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:anyone else notice?

They did. The only error I can point to is down the stretch in the forth; we almost gave the game away due to RoLo guarding a stretch four who was much smaller and agile. He guarded Millsap on several occasions and the opposing team ended up with several made three point shots. We got lucky, because some of our boys were able to keep scoring; as well as, because we had a double digit lead. We almost got outcoached

yet another pathetic attempt at driving your own agenda. if that is actually your take on watching the game, then you really know absolutely nothing about the way the game of basketball is played.

I guess many of us did not watch the same game. I have been fair with my criticism.

Many of us are wondering if you did. There was only a 2 minute period in the 4th where Horford was out of the game and Rolo was in, Milsap played the entire quarter. Milsap had 1 PnR play where he shot a 3 pointer and made it, Teague shot another about a minute later that had nothing to do with either Rolo or Milsap.

Coach adjusted and put KP back in.

So you don't have much of a point.

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1/6/2016  5:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:anyone else notice?

They did. The only error I can point to is down the stretch in the forth; we almost gave the game away due to RoLo guarding a stretch four who was much smaller and agile. He guarded Millsap on several occasions and the opposing team ended up with several made three point shots. We got lucky, because some of our boys were able to keep scoring; as well as, because we had a double digit lead. We almost got outcoached

yet another pathetic attempt at driving your own agenda. if that is actually your take on watching the game, then you really know absolutely nothing about the way the game of basketball is played.

I guess many of us did not watch the same game. I have been fair with my criticism.

very fair

super-duper fair
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the atlanta game the knicks executed well and played with focus

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