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1/2/2016  6:05 PM
So we should hold off booking a HOF after party? I was waiting to see when someone would take note of his declining fg%. It was low before and then creeped up to 45% before falling. Not sure why his shot is off, sometimes it appear flat, sometimes it is forced off undeveloped moves in post. I dont think he'll ever be a Nowitzi from outside (few are) but his scoring will come from many spots on the floor as he tightens his game and his D still makes him impactful right now
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meloanyk wrote:So we should hold off booking a HOF after party? I was waiting to see when someone would take note of his declining fg%. It was low before and then creeped up to 45% before falling. Not sure why his shot is off, sometimes it appear flat, sometimes it is forced off undeveloped moves in post. I dont think he'll ever be a Nowitzi from outside (few are) but his scoring will come from many spots on the floor as he tightens his game and his D still makes him impactful right now

He has never played this amount of minutes, especially at the NBA level. He is a rookie, tired, poorly coached, lost on sets. His energy and exuberance overcame short comings the first month, but have caught up.

He needs to increase his strength and stamina, while being properly coached. The sky is the limit for this kid if healthy.

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1/2/2016  6:18 PM
sure .... kp should get more shots at the rim .... duh. He is a twig that usually can't hold his position at the rim. This is beyond silly but hey, lets have another 400 threads about it
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/2/2016  6:26 PM
NYStateOfMind wrote:
meloanyk wrote:So we should hold off booking a HOF after party? I was waiting to see when someone would take note of his declining fg%. It was low before and then creeped up to 45% before falling. Not sure why his shot is off, sometimes it appear flat, sometimes it is forced off undeveloped moves in post. I dont think he'll ever be a Nowitzi from outside (few are) but his scoring will come from many spots on the floor as he tightens his game and his D still makes him impactful right now

He has never played this amount of minutes, especially at the NBA level. He is a rookie, tired, poorly coached, lost on sets. His energy and exuberance overcame short comings the first month, but have caught up.

He needs to increase his strength and stamina, while being properly coached. The sky is the limit for this kid if healthy.


I agree with most of what you said though he has missed many wide open J's and his post game is amateurish even for a twenty year old. Knicks have lessened his minutes after heavy usage way too soon. That was my concern before he 'slumped'. He should be able to get a second wind as his body acclimates to NBA schedule and with the benefit of minute restrictions. I would hate to see his fg% slip further as that could snowball into confidence issues. Think ROY prospects are fading but that means little in the big pic of a long and stellar career.
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1/2/2016  6:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2016  6:32 PM
meloanyk wrote: I dont think he'll ever be a Nowitzi from outside (few are)

Nowitzki rookie season was way worst than KP is!

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1/2/2016  6:43 PM
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meloanyk wrote: I dont think he'll ever be a Nowitzi from outside (few are)

Nowitzki rookie season was way worst than KP is!

Think Nowitzki shot one three a game as a rook and then has shot around 38 % for the remainder of his career. His outside shot will go down as one of the best ever by a big.

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1/4/2016  10:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2016  10:37 AM
Porzingis is a rookie still learning so many things. You look at the other top picks - Towns, Russell, Okafor - they were all more ready to be NBA players in terms of their skills. Porzingis is playing just off talent. He's not really honed anything to a level where you can say that's his bottom line/best. Rambis was saying that Porzingis shows more in practice.

Mainly his field goal percentage dips because they're using him as a stretch 4 in the offense who gets some isolations and it seems he's not willing to be a spot up guy, he wants to drive to the basket from there as well (where I think he makes most of his misses, going towards the basket off the dribble from up high). They don't really utilize him as a post up guy or someone who sets plenty of screens and rolls or pops. The strengths of KP's length/shooting ability are if you post him as a 4, and then make him a S/R big as a 5. But we don't really do that too much.

In a year or two, I'd be real surprised if his FG% is still hovering 40-41. I think he has plenty of strength he can gain, and once he's got the rookie year in his body will finally know what a NBA season/grind is like and he can be better prepared for it in the future. Like I said - Towns, Okafor, Russell all were far more ready physically and skills wise to play this level. Most of what Porzingis has given this team is based on pure talent vs actual skill mastering. His role isn't even set. Like I said, need to get him to be posting up at 4, and taking jumpshots over shorter smaller players at 4. And then using him as a 5 to stretch the defense using plenty of screen/rolls. It'll take a year or two before this is all ironed out, but when it is, I'm very confident he'll prove to be a consistent scoring threat on the team.

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1/4/2016  12:49 PM
meloanyk wrote:
Gudris wrote:
meloanyk wrote: I dont think he'll ever be a Nowitzi from outside (few are)

Nowitzki rookie season was way worst than KP is!

Think Nowitzki shot one three a game as a rook and then has shot around 38 % for the remainder of his career. His outside shot will go down as one of the best ever by a big.

And yet Dirk shot only 20% from 3 in his rookie season. And 40% overall. Shot selection and the confidence to make those shots is something that only comes with reps for *most* young players.

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1/4/2016  12:50 PM
I noticed after last night's game that his parents are back in town again. They went away sometime in early December because their visas expired. Not sure when they came back or for how long, but I wonder if KP's parents aka support system going away had a hand in his decline in play. Kid is only 20 and his family is clearly important to him.
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1/4/2016  1:13 PM
mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

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1/4/2016  1:17 PM
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

thanks. I will read.

Btw, I don't think that his drives are terrible at all, I think that he should not be hesitant when he can get the 3 point shot off. He seems to fake and drive when he has the shot. The fake is good but he needs to know when to use it. He has the really sell it and get players to run even harder at him. To do that, he needs to take more of the open looks instead of passing it off.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/4/2016  2:09 PM
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

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1/4/2016  2:12 PM
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crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

I would like him to dunk the ball most of the time. He is 7 3! He should just be dunking.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

I would like him to dunk the ball most of the time. He is 7 3! He should just be dunking.

7'3 with leg strength of a 6'3 player......Basically he will be dunking like crazy as he gets stronger. I'm sure he's still surprised at his skill set right now. I remember in my prime, players would say, why didn't you just dunk it? I didn't know I could get up that high, so I was living in the moment. Thats what KP is doing right now. At least he's trying to go hard. He just can't take the bumps while going up for a dunk, like Lebron and other stars, because of his strength issue.

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1/4/2016  2:19 PM
I don't think he's taking bad shots -- he's just rushing 'em. All of us know the feeling of playing in a game with competition that's just a bit better than what we're used to. You don't have the confidence you're used to, you rush a little, you seem a bit out of sorts and feel like you're making some bad decisions and missing shots you usually hit. That's what it looks like Zingo's going through now.
But he's not forcing many bad shots, he's just making shots that should be good ones into low percentage attempts by rushing them. And yes, as others have said, he doesn't need to do this. With his size, quickness and handle, he can get the shots he likes without them being bothered by the defense. Once he starts to feel that, he'll be OK. The game will slow down for him and his shooting percentage will come up.
We all can see that the guy's got a sweet stroke. Just look at FT %.
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1/4/2016  2:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2016  2:23 PM
mreinman wrote:
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

I would like him to dunk the ball most of the time. He is 7 3! He should just be dunking.

We all would....but his not an American born player. He's born in a culture of finest big men.....they come off picks and shoot. It's a different game for him. But it will come with age and experience. For now, he's all about step backs and layups.....block shots and defense. Can't ask for more from a rookie born outside of the US. Lets be happy players are not trying to jump over him with Vince Carter dunks....Instead of attacking him, they want to avoid him.

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1/4/2016  2:23 PM
blkexec wrote:
mreinman wrote:
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

I would like him to dunk the ball most of the time. He is 7 3! He should just be dunking.

7'3 with leg strength of a 6'3 player......Basically he will be dunking like crazy as he gets stronger. I'm sure he's still surprised at his skill set right now. I remember in my prime, players would say, why didn't you just dunk it? I didn't know I could get up that high, so I was living in the moment. Thats what KP is doing right now. At least he's trying to go hard. He just can't take the bumps while going up for a dunk, like Lebron and other stars, because of his strength issue.

Guys who are 6-3 have much more leg strength than guys who are 7-3. Hed be better off with a modified Kevin Mchale slash Patrick Ewing style of play. I dont mind him taking a couple of three's in rhythm but I dont want to see him injured going to the basket from 25 feet and I think its wasting his combination of incredible length and touch.

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1/4/2016  2:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2016  2:27 PM
blkexec wrote:
mreinman wrote:
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

I would like him to dunk the ball most of the time. He is 7 3! He should just be dunking.

We all would....but his not an American born player. He's born in a culture of finest big men.....they come off picks and shoot. It's a different game for him. But it will come with age and experience. For now, he's all about step backs and layups.....block shots and defense. Can't ask for more from a rookie born outside of the US.

Disagree. KP doesnt play like a traditional Euro big man. Remember those monster putbacks and dunks to start the season? Teams wised up and made it harder for him to get the kind of space he needs to throw it down. KP is starting to make adjustments of his own. Its more about defenses, than his desire to throw it down IMO.

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1/4/2016  2:29 PM
blkexec wrote:
mreinman wrote:
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:mreinman, you were saying in the Atlanta game thread that KP's drives are terrible. this article has video evidence that they're not. he clearly beats his man off the dribble multiple times. He had four drives that almost went in yesterday. you have to think he'll get better at them -

This is a good article overall - not posting the text because there are a lot of videos:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/1/4/10707870/kristaps-porzingis-is-so-close-to-being-a-deadly-slasher

His slashing ability will be unstoppable. And I'm talking about his slashing without the ball. But once he learns how to take that power Euro step, bounce the ball over the small defender trying to help, there's nothing between him and the rim after that, unless every team has a 7'3 dude off the bench like ATL had.

I love when old school fans like Briggs starts a threat like this. Just shows how much the big man in the NBA has evolved.....And there's nothing an old school fan can do about it.

If KP is being compared to Dirk, and so far in his rookie year, Dirk even said I wasn't nearly as good. Then just imagine the kind of career this kid will have. There's really nothing to complain about. He's only getting stronger and better as he gets older. The only question is will he ever become a full time center? or a PF / center hybrid.....for the rest of his career. Eitherway, he will be an impactful player on both ends.

I would like him to dunk the ball most of the time. He is 7 3! He should just be dunking.

We all would....but his not an American born player. He's born in a culture of finest big men.....they come off picks and shoot. It's a different game for him. But it will come with age and experience. For now, he's all about step backs and layups.....block shots and defense. Can't ask for more from a rookie born outside of the US. Lets be happy players are not trying to jump over him with Vince Carter dunks....Instead of attacking him, they want to avoid him.

yeah ... I was kidding.

but I do agree with briggs (that hurts to even type it) that I get nervous with him attacking the rim in traffic from 25 feet out. Seems like a recipe for disaster.

I want him shooting 3's when he has them and I want him to play under control when he doesn't.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/4/2016  3:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2016  3:21 PM
bernard wrote:I don't think he's taking bad shots -- he's just rushing 'em. All of us know the feeling of playing in a game with competition that's just a bit better than what we're used to. You don't have the confidence you're used to, you rush a little, you seem a bit out of sorts and feel like you're making some bad decisions and missing shots you usually hit. That's what it looks like Zingo's going through now.
But he's not forcing many bad shots, he's just making shots that should be good ones into low percentage attempts by rushing them. And yes, as others have said, he doesn't need to do this. With his size, quickness and handle, he can get the shots he likes without them being bothered by the defense. Once he starts to feel that, he'll be OK. The game will slow down for him and his shooting percentage will come up.
We all can see that the guy's got a sweet stroke. Just look at FT %.

Yeah, I agree with this. I think the early hype may have gotten to him a little - like he felt like he had to live up to the 29pt 11reb game against Charlotte or the 24pt 14reb 7blk game in Houston every night. I know there was a point in early December where I was sort of expecting him to go for 20pts 12rebs every night, which is insane for a rookie, especially one just adapting to the American game.

You can see him pressing, rushing to make shots that once he's calmer and in rhythm he will sink with ease or decide not to shoot.

I think he'll be fine - and I think we will get a stretch near the end of the season where it seems like he has it all figured out and goes off for 24ppg 14rpg 4blks over the course of like a week or two.

mreinman wrote:yeah ... I was kidding.
but I do agree with briggs (that hurts to even type it) that I get nervous with him attacking the rim in traffic from 25 feet out. Seems like a recipe for disaster.
I want him shooting 3's when he has them and I want him to play under control when he doesn't.

I agree with this, too. Some of his shots are a bit out of control, some of his moves are a bit out of control. Just praying he stays healthy...

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KP's shot selection is really hurting his game

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