“Quite frankly, we’ve been horrendous on the defensive end in the last six games as well,” coach Derek Fisher said after his 15-19 Knicks had a long prep for Sunday’s home meeting with Atlanta. “The focus has always been on the offense. We only scored eight points [in the fourth quarter], but we’ve been last in the league the last six games on defense. And that has a lot to do with this as well.”

http://nypost.com/2016/01/02/derek-fisher-blasts-knicks-other-horrendous-weakness/

A good coaching staff would recognize these flaws, and adjust their system to compensate. But all i see is the same old sht, different oppoenent.

This team has 45 win talent, and a coaching staff that will end up losing 10 of those 45, giving us 35.

knicks1248 wrote:The bottom line is that this team isn't talented enough to run the triangle, they don't have the appropriate big man to run the triangle, they don't have the appropriate SG to run the triangle, the pace they play at is to slow for todays NBA, they don't have a pg who is aggressive enough to create easy baskets.

A good coaching staff would recognize these flaws, and adjust their system to compensate. But all i see is the same old sht, different oppoenent.

This team has 45 win talent, and a coaching staff that will end up losing 10 of those 45, giving us 35.

You really think that the team has 45 win talent? Worst starting PG in the league, rookie backup and now 3rd string PG? With another rookie as a starter?

East got better this year and your 45 wins last year would have gotten you right around 5 best record. So that's your prediction on Knicks talent? From second worst in league to 5th best in East?

Players have to be put in a position to learn, even if it means failing some times.

I think your expectations are off.

knicks1248 wrote:The bottom line is that this team isn't talented enough to run the triangle, they don't have the appropriate big man to run the triangle, they don't have the appropriate SG to run the triangle, the pace they play at is to slow for todays NBA, they don't have a pg who is aggressive enough to create easy baskets.

A good coaching staff would recognize these flaws, and adjust their system to compensate. But all i see is the same old sht, different oppoenent.

This team has 45 win talent, and a coaching staff that will end up losing 10 of those 45, giving us 35.

there are only two solid starters on the knicks right now: carmelo and kp6. have a look:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

if you look at everyone else's real plus/minus you would see that the knicks' talent level puts them right where they are record-wise. the next ranked player is galloway.

Knicks1969 wrote:To all my Fisher lovers,

If our roach (Fisher) knows that it is hard for our boys to be at their best when everything is kind of NEW, night-in and night-out, why is it that he finds it so difficult to pick 9 or 10 players and play them consistent minutes for a stretch of maybe 5 games?????? Please advise.

We’ve got a lot of new guys, so it’s hard to be at your best when everything is kind of new, night-in and night-out. It just takes time.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/04/carmelo-echoes-fishers-latest-knicks-challenge-do-it-again/

"Please Advise"......

Nalod suggests you read the article.

RicanHavok wrote:What's more concerning about that statement is that Fish left out the real reason and it's cause Thomas gets too many minutes. I like Thomas' game but he gets about 5-10 mins too much.

I like Lance a lot. I actually don't think he is getting too many minutes. The three guys I think have gotten too many minutes are: Sasha, Nose, and Seraphin.

Knicks1969 wrote:To all my Fisher lovers,

If our roach (Fisher) knows that it is hard for our boys to be at their best when everything is kind of NEW, night-in and night-out, why is it that he finds it so difficult to pick 9 or 10 players and play them consistent minutes for a stretch of maybe 5 games?????? Please advise.

We’ve got a lot of new guys, so it’s hard to be at your best when everything is kind of new, night-in and night-out. It just takes time.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/04/carmelo-echoes-fishers-latest-knicks-challenge-do-it-again/

Its actually called "ambition". You accuse some of us for not thinking big enough but the fact is if you aspire to be great, it takes time to build a base, cultivate talent, and aquire talent.
For fans you need only understand and have patience.

what is Derek Williams upside if he is allowed to just play as a super athlete? If instead he is given the chance to learn to play the right way and has a two year contract to do so? To me if he plays 5 minutes and plays it well, then he'll get more minutes. its called learned behavior. If he plays like an idiot and allowed to stay in, then what is he learning? Small sample example.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:To all my Fisher lovers,

If our roach (Fisher) knows that it is hard for our boys to be at their best when everything is kind of NEW, night-in and night-out, why is it that he finds it so difficult to pick 9 or 10 players and play them consistent minutes for a stretch of maybe 5 games?????? Please advise.

We’ve got a lot of new guys, so it’s hard to be at your best when everything is kind of new, night-in and night-out. It just takes time.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/04/carmelo-echoes-fishers-latest-knicks-challenge-do-it-again/

Its actually called "ambition". You accuse some of us for not thinking big enough but the fact is if you aspire to be great, it takes time to build a base, cultivate talent, and aquire talent.
For fans you need only understand and have patience.

what is Derek Williams upside if he is allowed to just play as a super athlete? If instead he is given the chance to learn to play the right way and has a two year contract to do so? To me if he plays 5 minutes and plays it well, then he'll get more minutes. its called learned behavior. If he plays like an idiot and allowed to stay in, then what is he learning? Small sample example.

How about using the dude (Williams) for what he does best? Some cats take a lot longer to learn how to play the game the right way; let me use Jamal Crawford as an example. All the dude does is provide instant offense. He is a horrendous defender and often over dribble. However, his coaches have learned to take advantage of what he does best. Is he a bad player? I would say no. Wiliams provides something that is sorely needed, speed and agility. He shoots many more freethrows then most on the roster; why? Because he is constantly attacking the rim. With the right mix of players (Carmelo, KP, Lance, and Grant), that dude has excelled.

Playing him just 8 minutes a game is doing the team and the actual player a disservice. How much can you learn in just 8 minutes? Not much. Ride the dude hard, and coach him through film sessions.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:To all my Fisher lovers,

If our roach (Fisher) knows that it is hard for our boys to be at their best when everything is kind of NEW, night-in and night-out, why is it that he finds it so difficult to pick 9 or 10 players and play them consistent minutes for a stretch of maybe 5 games?????? Please advise.

We’ve got a lot of new guys, so it’s hard to be at your best when everything is kind of new, night-in and night-out. It just takes time.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/04/carmelo-echoes-fishers-latest-knicks-challenge-do-it-again/

Its actually called "ambition". You accuse some of us for not thinking big enough but the fact is if you aspire to be great, it takes time to build a base, cultivate talent, and aquire talent.
For fans you need only understand and have patience.

what is Derek Williams upside if he is allowed to just play as a super athlete? If instead he is given the chance to learn to play the right way and has a two year contract to do so? To me if he plays 5 minutes and plays it well, then he'll get more minutes. its called learned behavior. If he plays like an idiot and allowed to stay in, then what is he learning? Small sample example.

How about using the dude (Williams) for what he does best? Some cats take a lot longer to learn how to play the game the right way; let me use Jamal Crawford as an example. All the dude does is provide instant offense. He is a horrendous defender and often over dribble. However, his coaches have learned to take advantage of what he does best. Is he a bad player? I would say no. Wiliams provides something that is sorely needed, speed and agility. He shoots many more freethrows then most on the roster; why? Because he is constantly attacking the rim. With the right mix of players (Carmelo, KP, Lance, and Grant), that dude has excelled.

Playing him just 8 minutes a game is doing the team and the actual player a disservice. How much can you learn in just 8 minutes? Not much. Ride the dude hard, and coach him through film sessions.

It seems to me that it's impossible to say that how Fish is handling his player development is the wrong way. We don't know yet if it will lead to better results over time. This isn't just about quick results. Some players pick it up faster than others. I think they want players to play the right way and not allow them to get comfortable just winging it in an offense that is mostly about TEAM and thinking as a GROUP. The ultimate success of this system is how well your players function as a group.

Nix, in a perfect world what you said has a lot of validity. However, coaches and GMs are judged by their records (Ws and Ls). It is perfectly ok to develop players while trying to win. Putting players in the dog house to prove a point while sacrificing a victory is counter productive. Fisher does not have the resume to be the coach you are portraying.

fishmike wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:To all my Fisher lovers,

If our roach (Fisher) knows that it is hard for our boys to be at their best when everything is kind of NEW, night-in and night-out, why is it that he finds it so difficult to pick 9 or 10 players and play them consistent minutes for a stretch of maybe 5 games?????? Please advise.

We’ve got a lot of new guys, so it’s hard to be at your best when everything is kind of new, night-in and night-out. It just takes time.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/04/carmelo-echoes-fishers-latest-knicks-challenge-do-it-again/

Its actually called "ambition". You accuse some of us for not thinking big enough but the fact is if you aspire to be great, it takes time to build a base, cultivate talent, and aquire talent.
For fans you need only understand and have patience.

what is Derek Williams upside if he is allowed to just play as a super athlete? If instead he is given the chance to learn to play the right way and has a two year contract to do so? To me if he plays 5 minutes and plays it well, then he'll get more minutes. its called learned behavior. If he plays like an idiot and allowed to stay in, then what is he learning? Small sample example.

How about using the dude (Williams) for what he does best? Some cats take a lot longer to learn how to play the game the right way; let me use Jamal Crawford as an example. All the dude does is provide instant offense. He is a horrendous defender and often over dribble. However, his coaches have learned to take advantage of what he does best. Is he a bad player? I would say no. Wiliams provides something that is sorely needed, speed and agility. He shoots many more freethrows then most on the roster; why? Because he is constantly attacking the rim. With the right mix of players (Carmelo, KP, Lance, and Grant), that dude has excelled.

Playing him just 8 minutes a game is doing the team and the actual player a disservice. How much can you learn in just 8 minutes? Not much. Ride the dude hard, and coach him through film sessions.

It seems to me that it's impossible to say that how Fish is handling his player development is the wrong way. We don't know yet if it will lead to better results over time. This isn't just about quick results. Some players pick it up faster than others. I think they want players to play the right way and not allow them to get comfortable just winging it in an offense that is mostly about TEAM and thinking as a GROUP. The ultimate success of this system is how well your players function as a group.

Nix, in a perfect world what you said has a lot of validity. However, coaches and GMs are judged by their records (Ws and Ls). It is perfectly ok to develop players while trying to win. Putting players in the dog house to prove a point while sacrificing a victory is counter productive. Fisher does not have the resume to be the coach you are portraying.

Nor is he the coach you are portraying. What evidence are you bringing to the table regarding who is in Fisher's doghouse, or what his teaching methods are? The guy who will lose minutes to DWill is Lance. If you dont understand why Lance gets those minutes you dont understand anything at all.

Lance is A multi positional player, he is by far the most versatile dude we have on the roster. A smart coaching staff could find ways to play Williams and Lance together; that is with Carmelo on the floor. That unit was deployed a couple of times already to great success. We just need more of it

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

RicanHavok wrote:What's more concerning about that statement is that Fish left out the real reason and it's cause Thomas gets too many minutes. I like Thomas' game but he gets about 5-10 mins too much.

I like Lance a lot. I actually don't think he is getting too many minutes. The three guys I think have gotten too many minutes are: Sasha, Nose, and Seraphin.

Nose, as a made up knickname that only you use doesn't really make sense. All he has is a Jumper, so Jose would fit. You thinking no-way Jose?

Mostly your use of Nose and roach is just plain annoying, along with your arguments that accompany them.

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