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Knixkik
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12/30/2015  11:03 AM
Grant. It will take time, but he's got more upside. Plus we don't have to worry about his contract, whereas Atl will have to make a decision on Hardaway much sooner.
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12/30/2015  11:34 AM
THJ's status in Atlanta is all you need to know about his game at this point...

He had no issues in Woodson's offense where he could stand around on the perimeter and snipe- as soon as was is put into offenses where he had to think, and is also asked to play D, his weaknesses are exposed.


I expected Grant to progress a little sooner than he has, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Still...I think Phil expected him to contribute sooner, rather than later, and many felt he was more NBA ready than KP.

You can make a case that a KP/Portis draft, while resigning Shved, (Larkin looking good these days, too.) might have been an alternative plan. Would have set up our power slots for the next 12 years.

Water under the bridge, though.

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12/30/2015  1:12 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:THJ's status in Atlanta is all you need to know about his game at this point...

He had no issues in Woodson's offense where he could stand around on the perimeter and snipe- as soon as was is put into offenses where he had to think, and is also asked to play D, his weaknesses are exposed.


I expected Grant to progress a little sooner than he has, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Still...I think Phil expected him to contribute sooner, rather than later, and many felt he was more NBA ready than KP.

You can make a case that a KP/Portis draft, while resigning Shved, (Larkin looking good these days, too.) might have been an alternative plan. Would have set up our power slots for the next 12 years.

Water under the bridge, though.

About that. Brooklyn vs. Miami the other night. Hollins switches the starting lineup to start the 2nd half, putting in more high energy and aggressive guys at the guard positions. They were down by I think 14 at that point. It worked. Let's see if he has to do that more often and it continues to work.

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12/30/2015  1:18 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:THJ's status in Atlanta is all you need to know about his game at this point...

He had no issues in Woodson's offense where he could stand around on the perimeter and snipe- as soon as was is put into offenses where he had to think, and is also asked to play D, his weaknesses are exposed.


I expected Grant to progress a little sooner than he has, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Still...I think Phil expected him to contribute sooner, rather than later, and many felt he was more NBA ready than KP.

You can make a case that a KP/Portis draft, while resigning Shved, (Larkin looking good these days, too.) might have been an alternative plan. Would have set up our power slots for the next 12 years.

Water under the bridge, though.

About that. Brooklyn vs. Miami the other night. Hollins switches the starting lineup to start the 2nd half, putting in more high energy and aggressive guys at the guard positions. They were down by I think 14 at that point. It worked. Let's see if he has to do that more often and it continues to work.

WHo started the second half?

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12/30/2015  1:25 PM
martin wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:THJ's status in Atlanta is all you need to know about his game at this point...

He had no issues in Woodson's offense where he could stand around on the perimeter and snipe- as soon as was is put into offenses where he had to think, and is also asked to play D, his weaknesses are exposed.


I expected Grant to progress a little sooner than he has, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Still...I think Phil expected him to contribute sooner, rather than later, and many felt he was more NBA ready than KP.

You can make a case that a KP/Portis draft, while resigning Shved, (Larkin looking good these days, too.) might have been an alternative plan. Would have set up our power slots for the next 12 years.

Water under the bridge, though.

About that. Brooklyn vs. Miami the other night. Hollins switches the starting lineup to start the 2nd half, putting in more high energy and aggressive guys at the guard positions. They were down by I think 14 at that point. It worked. Let's see if he has to do that more often and it continues to work.

WHo started the second half?

Larkin and Ellington. The 14 point lead was quickly cut down.

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12/30/2015  1:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we took our time. Portis

So you've been talking up J.Anderson all this year until Portis has recently been playing well and now you're talking up Portis.
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12/30/2015  1:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2015  1:40 PM
Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.
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12/30/2015  1:56 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

Spot on.
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12/30/2015  2:01 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

Grant is going to have to enroll in the Lance Thomas School of Development. That 600 shot per day remedy works wonders for your shooting touch. He comes from a basketball family. Someone needs to attest to those ideas.

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12/30/2015  5:57 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

Grant is going to have to enroll in the Lance Thomas School of Development. That 600 shot per day remedy works wonders for your shooting touch. He comes from a basketball family. Someone needs to attest to those ideas.

Agree with both posts. Jerian should be putting up 500 shots a day all summer. Maybe even in season.

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12/30/2015  6:52 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/30/2015  7:18 PM
dk7th wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

you can't come up with some answers on your own?

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dk7th wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

Why didn't kidd learn to shoot before his career was almost over? Rondo?

You think its so easy to become a consistent shooter? Do you know how many PG's, good PG's just could never shoot?

I love how people say "get in the Gym and learn to shoot, LT did". It is extremely difficult to become a consistent shooter in game speed.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/30/2015  9:22 PM
Have people seem the numbers of the other rookie pgs and compared them?
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12/30/2015  9:30 PM
Scoring is not a problem for the Knick, play making is. Other then Carmelo, we don't have another play maker; we need to get one in the worst way
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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12/30/2015  9:59 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Have people seem the numbers of the other rookie pgs and compared them?

None of the other rookie PGs are doing much better aside from D'Angelo Russell.

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martin wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

you can't come up with some answers on your own?

i know what my answers are. i want to know what HIS answers are.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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mreinman wrote:
dk7th wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

Why didn't kidd learn to shoot before his career was almost over? Rondo?

You think its so easy to become a consistent shooter? Do you know how many PG's, good PG's just could never shoot?

I love how people say "get in the Gym and learn to shoot, LT did". It is extremely difficult to become a consistent shooter in game speed.

shooting isn't easy and it doesn't get any easier the later in life you start trying to learn how in earnest.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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