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GustavBahler
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12/29/2015  11:09 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.
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12/29/2015  11:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2015  11:12 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Dwight comes with his baggage, but it would be a fantastic trade for NY.
Risky because Dwight could leave in FA, but the potential of a Howard/Porzingis/Melo front court would be incredible. We also get out of a lot of salary for next season with Calderon, Williams and Lopez. Even if Dwight walks, you have something like 45 million in cap space now with Calderon/Williams/Lopez not on contract for 16-17.

It's risky but I personally like it. The only 2 guy you keep away from trades are Melo (NTC too tough to trade) and KP. Everyone else is movable. Think about it - if Dwight is your 3rd best player you are likely a very good team. Afflalo now becomes the 4th best player and Galloway our 5th. Still have Thomas off the bench. I can live with this deal.

But to me I'd be surprised if Phil completely abandoned his investments in Lopez, Quinn, Calderon, Williams. Phil is a huge believer in Howard though.


Or is the biggest risk that we commit $100+ mil to an injury prone guy with attitude problems and it kills us financially? We're talking about a commitment to an already-declining player with back problems for the 13th to 17th seasons of his career. It reminds me a lot of the Amare signing.
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12/29/2015  11:20 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Howard is probably worse for the triangle than Rolo is, just so you know.

How so? He'll play the Bynum or Shaq role.


Shaq passed the ball well. Dwight is extremely limited on offense in every way. Plus with KP and Melo, you don't want someone completely clogging the lane. Rolo struggles in the area, but can at least stretch the floor a little bit on open jumpers. Dwight can't do that. Dwight would eat up all of KP's rebounds, not get out of the way when Melo gets deep in the post. Rolo at least gets out of the way and moves to the right spots when the ball comes off the rim, Dwight wouldn't know where to go.
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12/29/2015  11:22 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.


Why not? Dude maybe a mental midget and a immature clown, but he still produces more than Melo has. For all of Dwight's imperfections, he still led an Orlando Magic team all the way to the NBA Finals almost single-handedly. Dwight's career win shares makes Melo's look pedestrian, and for all his injuries the past few seasons, still shoots around 60% FG and averages a career double-double while still playing above average defense.

Please don't bring an inept Melo into this conversation. He gets curb-stomped in any comparison contest any which way you look at it.
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Does anyone even know whether the guy who reported this is legit source or broken anything in the past? Not like Woj, Berger or someone like that here. I have my doubts on the truth/validity to this trade. Sounds more like something a fan who has knowledge of trades/salaries/situations of these teams would present and throw out there. I mean I could see Dwight being traded - and Houston has been happy with Asik in the past, as well as getting a lot of help where they need it in guys like Anderson, Calderon. Dwight is not someone they'll even be sure to re-sign in the summer or would he even stay.

That said, I'm also concerned about this being your typical Knicks move. Trade for a marquee name. We've done this so many times and it's led nowhere. We seem to always be able to trade for a superstar just right after he hits decline but is still making major money. And you add Melo to that who is also that kind of player, it gives you little flexibility in terms of team growth. But then you factor KP's potential to grow, and man he could make a living of open looks with all the attention Melo/Howard would draw, and say you add a stud ballhandling guard in the summer, get some growth from Gallo/Grant as well, this team would be really really good next season. I don't know, I'm torn - and lean towards making a move like this is available just based on the fact we're not losing anything heavily important on our roster.
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12/29/2015  11:33 AM
Its been a long time since Dwight took the Magic to the finals. He is not that player.

Shaq was a great passing center. Dwight not so much.
I can see this if he actually resigns with us in a pre negotiated deal. Can we go with length instead of big money?

Does this dude really want to go free agent again?

Who besides Durant is the benefit of cap space this summer???
We need a back court and not contending until that improves!!!

If Phil wants to do this, Im ok with that. If Dolan wants to, then its crap.

Its a blog subject, not a rumor. Fun to walk it thru!
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12/29/2015  11:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Howard is probably worse for the triangle than Rolo is, just so you know.


Yeah, lol. Dwight won't even hit the rim when he's taking 20 foot jump shots.

Who says he has to take jumpers? Bynum or Shaq didn't take many.


I was exaggerating but given what's happened with all our big men, I think there's some truth to the concern that this system will weaken his strengths and add to his weaknesses.

I don't know about that. The shots that Rolo are missing are 6 footers and post play action where a guy like Howard could make 1 move and dunk, something I think he does with ease.

I don't like Howard as a player but he'd be a big upgrade. All Rolo has to do is catch and be able to hit an east basket and he isn't.

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12/29/2015  11:37 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.


Why not? Dude maybe a mental midget and a immature clown, but he still produces more than Melo has. For all of Dwight's imperfections, he still led an Orlando Magic team all the way to the NBA Finals almost single-handedly. Dwight's career win shares makes Melo's look pedestrian, and for all his injuries the past few seasons, still shoots around 60% FG and averages a career double-double while still playing above average defense.

Please don't bring an inept Melo into this conversation. He gets curb-stomped in any comparison contest any which way you look at it.

You just advocated a trade for arguably the biggest cancer in team sports. Thought they should have drafted Howard over Okafor before the draft, watched many Magic games when I was in fla, dont have to tell me about his career. You do have to explain how a confirmed team wrecker extraordinaire is a better teammate?
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12/29/2015  11:53 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.


Why not? Dude maybe a mental midget and a immature clown, but he still produces more than Melo has. For all of Dwight's imperfections, he still led an Orlando Magic team all the way to the NBA Finals almost single-handedly. Dwight's career win shares makes Melo's look pedestrian, and for all his injuries the past few seasons, still shoots around 60% FG and averages a career double-double while still playing above average defense.

Please don't bring an inept Melo into this conversation. He gets curb-stomped in any comparison contest any which way you look at it.

You just advocated a trade for arguably the biggest cancer in team sports. Thought they should have drafted Howard over Okafor before the draft, watched many Magic games when I was in fla, dont have to tell me about his career. You do have to explain how a confirmed team wrecker extraordinaire is a better teammate?

According to the rumor it's a rental for the rest of the year, so it's low risk. He'll be on his best behavior to get that next contract. If he meshes well with your hero Melo, then he might want to stay a little longer.

Dwight and KP cover for each other's current weaknesses much better than KP and RoLo.
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12/29/2015  12:01 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.


Why not? Dude maybe a mental midget and a immature clown, but he still produces more than Melo has. For all of Dwight's imperfections, he still led an Orlando Magic team all the way to the NBA Finals almost single-handedly. Dwight's career win shares makes Melo's look pedestrian, and for all his injuries the past few seasons, still shoots around 60% FG and averages a career double-double while still playing above average defense.

Please don't bring an inept Melo into this conversation. He gets curb-stomped in any comparison contest any which way you look at it.

You just advocated a trade for arguably the biggest cancer in team sports. Thought they should have drafted Howard over Okafor before the draft, watched many Magic games when I was in fla, dont have to tell me about his career. You do have to explain how a confirmed team wrecker extraordinaire is a better teammate?

According to the rumor it's a rental for the rest of the year, so it's low risk. He'll be on his best behavior to get that next contract. If he meshes well with your hero Melo, then he might want to stay a little longer.

Dwight and KP cover for each other's current weaknesses much better than KP and RoLo.

That makes more sense, although I find it strange you would want to give Howard the time of day considering your emphasis on being a good teammate. My concern would be that Howard is only on his best behavior until he signs his deal.

As for Melo being my hero, I was pointing out the weaknesses in his game before you started posting here, but not with the same enthusiasm. I will leave it at that.
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12/29/2015  12:09 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.


Why not? Dude maybe a mental midget and a immature clown, but he still produces more than Melo has. For all of Dwight's imperfections, he still led an Orlando Magic team all the way to the NBA Finals almost single-handedly. Dwight's career win shares makes Melo's look pedestrian, and for all his injuries the past few seasons, still shoots around 60% FG and averages a career double-double while still playing above average defense.

Please don't bring an inept Melo into this conversation. He gets curb-stomped in any comparison contest any which way you look at it.

You just advocated a trade for arguably the biggest cancer in team sports. Thought they should have drafted Howard over Okafor before the draft, watched many Magic games when I was in fla, dont have to tell me about his career. You do have to explain how a confirmed team wrecker extraordinaire is a better teammate?

According to the rumor it's a rental for the rest of the year, so it's low risk. He'll be on his best behavior to get that next contract. If he meshes well with your hero Melo, then he might want to stay a little longer.

Dwight and KP cover for each other's current weaknesses much better than KP and RoLo.

This is where the "rumor" originated. It's amazing how these ideas take off...

http://www.thebirdwrites.com/2015/12/23/10657998/nba-trade-pelicans-knicks-rockets-howard-anderson-jones
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12/29/2015  3:00 PM
Paris907 wrote:Rumor out there that there's a 3 way with Lopez to the Pelicans and Dwight to NYK. OQuinn, D Williams and Calderon would be gone and Luke Babit to NY as art of the deal.

Yeah i wouldn't say the source of this rumored trade is all that reliable.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI8Ne844HKAhUMFz4KHZhMBJcQqQIIHTAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inquisitr.com%2F2662896%2Fnba-trade-rumors-huge-three-team-deal-could-send-dwight-howard-to-knicks%2F&usg=AFQjCNEe0mw2kmFJRUdI7MaDwuaPz4BisQ
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12/29/2015  3:09 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Dwight comes with his baggage, but it would be a fantastic trade for NY.
Risky because Dwight could leave in FA, but the potential of a Howard/Porzingis/Melo front court would be incredible. We also get out of a lot of salary for next season with Calderon, Williams and Lopez. Even if Dwight walks, you have something like 45 million in cap space now with Calderon/Williams/Lopez not on contract for 16-17.

It's risky but I personally like it. The only 2 guy you keep away from trades are Melo (NTC too tough to trade) and KP. Everyone else is movable. Think about it - if Dwight is your 3rd best player you are likely a very good team. Afflalo now becomes the 4th best player and Galloway our 5th. Still have Thomas off the bench. I can live with this deal.

But to me I'd be surprised if Phil completely abandoned his investments in Lopez, Quinn, Calderon, Williams. Phil is a huge believer in Howard though.

I have 3 guys i wouldn't trade on my list with Melo, KP6 and L.Thomas. I'm a big L.Thomas fan.
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12/29/2015  3:13 PM
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Howard is probably worse for the triangle than Rolo is, just so you know.


Yeah, lol. Dwight won't even hit the rim when he's taking 20 foot jump shots.

Who says he has to take jumpers? Bynum or Shaq didn't take many.


I was exaggerating but given what's happened with all our big men, I think there's some truth to the concern that this system will weaken his strengths and add to his weaknesses.

I don't know about that. The shots that Rolo are missing are 6 footers and post play action where a guy like Howard could make 1 move and dunk, something I think he does with ease.

I don't like Howard as a player but he'd be a big upgrade. All Rolo has to do is catch and be able to hit an east basket and he isn't.


So now we would have to deal with the hack a Dwight game in the 4th quarters of games so he can miss his free throws.
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12/29/2015  3:24 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
martin wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Howard is probably worse for the triangle than Rolo is, just so you know.


Yeah, lol. Dwight won't even hit the rim when he's taking 20 foot jump shots.

Who says he has to take jumpers? Bynum or Shaq didn't take many.


I was exaggerating but given what's happened with all our big men, I think there's some truth to the concern that this system will weaken his strengths and add to his weaknesses.

I don't know about that. The shots that Rolo are missing are 6 footers and post play action where a guy like Howard could make 1 move and dunk, something I think he does with ease.

I don't like Howard as a player but he'd be a big upgrade. All Rolo has to do is catch and be able to hit an east basket and he isn't.


So now we would have to deal with the hack a Dwight game in the 4th quarters of games so he can miss his free throws.

I guess. Lot of teams would love to have that problem.

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CrushAlot wrote:I googled the trade and found this analysis amusing.
As for the Knicks? Dwight Howard heading there and filling up the lane at center would put make a strong frontcourt with Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. That’s not even mentioning players such as Cleathony Early and Lou Amundson coming off the bench.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2662896/nba-trade-rumors-huge-three-team-deal-could-send-dwight-howard-to-knicks/#JFSJL2woGR7ZzjP0.99

that is hilarious! How embarrassing for that guy.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/29/2015  11:06 PM
I'd be more interested in moving Dwight to a 3rd team than in bringing Dwight to New York.
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12/30/2015  7:02 AM
Too much risk involved. Sure, part of me as a fan would be excited to have Dwight but I think it's a bad gamble. If you factor in all of Dwight's baggage (attitude and injury), I can understand why Houston would want to do this. Just do an intelligent, gradual rebuild with Porzingis.
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12/30/2015  7:18 AM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I googled the trade and found this analysis amusing.
As for the Knicks? Dwight Howard heading there and filling up the lane at center would put make a strong frontcourt with Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis. That’s not even mentioning players such as Cleathony Early and Lou Amundson coming off the bench.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2662896/nba-trade-rumors-huge-three-team-deal-could-send-dwight-howard-to-knicks/#JFSJL2woGR7ZzjP0.99

that is hilarious! How embarrassing for that guy.


Maybe he was joking
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12/30/2015  7:50 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Definitely solves the RoLo as a useless triangle post player problem. Now if Hose-A is somehow included, then sign me the phuck up!

Have no business complaining ad nauseum about Melo if you want Howard. Unreal.


Why not? Dude maybe a mental midget and a immature clown, but he still produces more than Melo has. For all of Dwight's imperfections, he still led an Orlando Magic team all the way to the NBA Finals almost single-handedly. Dwight's career win shares makes Melo's look pedestrian, and for all his injuries the past few seasons, still shoots around 60% FG and averages a career double-double while still playing above average defense.

Please don't bring an inept Melo into this conversation. He gets curb-stomped in any comparison contest any which way you look at it.

You just advocated a trade for arguably the biggest cancer in team sports. Thought they should have drafted Howard over Okafor before the draft, watched many Magic games when I was in fla, dont have to tell me about his career. You do have to explain how a confirmed team wrecker extraordinaire is a better teammate?

According to the rumor it's a rental for the rest of the year, so it's low risk. He'll be on his best behavior to get that next contract. If he meshes well with your hero Melo, then he might want to stay a little longer.

Dwight and KP cover for each other's current weaknesses much better than KP and RoLo.


If he's producing and on his best behavior, Dolan will probably given him a $100+ mil contract.
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