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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
12/24/2015 9:33 PM
EnySpree wrote: based on a highlight video? so here is what phil is thinking ....
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
12/24/2015 10:11 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
12/24/2015 11:41 PM
mreinman wrote:EnySpree wrote: It's the skill set! He may not be the most cerebral guard but he naturally sees when to attack and has the talent to score at the basket. We don't have a guard like him but NEED a guard that can get penetration at any time. Wish he was a bit more high BBALL IQ and a shooter but then he would not be available if he had all of that. I'll take what he's great at cuz it's what we need. Coach him up and see where it leads. |
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
12/25/2015 12:04 AM
Did not seem like the kind of player I would want after that last game he played against us...I think I accused him of having a low BB IQ.
Kamikaze driver to the basket and an extremely limited outside game. About 23% from 3, 41% FG, and a sub 70% foul shooter for a guy who drives to the basket a lot, and almost a 1/1 assist/turnover ratio. Agree with the posters who see MDA involved in this move and Wroten not being back from his knee injury. Team Tank had him for 3 years and now that the Colangelo Reformation is here they dump him. Folks can reach their own conclusions from this observation. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
12/25/2015 10:01 AM
EnySpree wrote: Agree on all counts. We need that skill set in our guards. I think he has to clear waivers first, right? ¿ △ ?
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
12/25/2015 10:25 AM LAST EDITED: 12/25/2015 10:34 AM
Tony Wroten only works if he can go to Lance Thomas School. Wroten is a mix between Rondo's shooting mechanics and Rodney Stuckey's size. If only he could shoot fts
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knickscity
Posts: 24533 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/2/2012 Member: #4241 USA |
12/25/2015 11:01 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Did not seem like the kind of player I would want after that last game he played against us...I think I accused him of having a low BB IQ. He hasnt developed at all. I understand the intrigue some may have, but he is not a good piece to have. His ability to attack the rack does not eclipse his inability to shoot from anywhere on the court. His turnovers are way too high and contrary to some belief he is an awful defender. Besides this, coming back from his injury, not really sure if he even has that skillset of being able to attack the rack at this point. Easy pass. |
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
12/25/2015 11:59 AM
Rather have A.Shved back.
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
12/25/2015 1:20 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:Rather have A.Shved back. They are basically the same player. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
12/25/2015 1:28 PM
Tony Wroten requires defensive attention. He's a good defender as well. His skill set would open up the whole offense. He's basically free if he clears waivers.
Everyone knows we need a point guard that can get to the basket. A big guard that can defend. This guy is it. Guys want Conley and other big names we can't afford. We need this talent now not next year. Wroten would be a minimum deal if we are so lucky to pick him up. Zero risk and high reward. Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27692 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
12/25/2015 1:44 PM LAST EDITED: 12/25/2015 1:46 PM
I'd much rather throw some 2nd round picks at Detriot to see if we can wrangle Spencer Dinwiddie away from them. I haven't seen much of him but in the limited minutes I have seen, he seems to have completely recovered from his ACL injury in college. Had it not been for that, some speculate that he would've been a mid-first rounder in the stacked 2014 draft. What we do know about him is that he's especially long, a decent shooter, good with moving without the ball and can get into the paint consistently....the perfect ingredients for a triangle PG.
...but I'd take a flier out on Wroten. Every player has his flaws; it's up to the coach, the system he implements and teammates to help mask said flaws. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
12/25/2015 1:58 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27692 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
12/25/2015 2:03 PM LAST EDITED: 12/25/2015 2:05 PM
EnySpree wrote: I've always been a quasi-fan of Wroten but what concerns me is that so much of those highlights involved him getting to the hoop in transition. We are one of the slower teams in the league (as was Philly), so I wonder how many opportunities Wroten will have to break down the defense in this fashion. And I'm not sure he's a good enough rebounder to be a one man fast-break like Lance Stephenson use to be for the Pacers back in the day when they utilized the triangle. Even so, I was impressed with his ball handler and finishing ability with either hand. He's so skilled in that regard that it makes it difficult to defend him since it becomes harder to predict his point of attack. It comes as no surprise to me that he'd be terrific at getting to the line. At the very least, those are skills this team needs at the guard spot so I'd roll the dice on him. |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
12/25/2015 2:31 PM
can't shoot a lick and is really not a good defender. We already have a PG who can't shoot a lick
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
12/25/2015 2:31 PM
Spencer Dinwidle or other young players like him are the type of guys the Knicks should target. They need to try to uncover hidden talent on teams benches. It's not an easy thing but if they can identify someone who fit their player type who's could be had it would be wise to pull the trigger.
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
12/25/2015 3:37 PM
EnySpree wrote:Tony Wroten requires defensive attention. He's a good defender as well. His skill set would open up the whole offense. He's basically free if he clears waivers. he's a horrible defender. besides, why do "we" need a talent now? to win a title? knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
12/25/2015 3:52 PM
dk7th wrote:EnySpree wrote:Tony Wroten requires defensive attention. He's a good defender as well. His skill set would open up the whole offense. He's basically free if he clears waivers. He's a young player and IMO it's really smart to take a flyer on a talent like him that has obvious strengths but needs to tighten up some aspects of his game. Let's remember what people thought of Shved and LT when we 1st got them!!! They look totally different in our system. I'm not saying Wroten is a lock to have that kind of success but even DWill looks a lot better here than he did on other teams. This system will enhance Wroten's strengths and minimize his limitations. He won't have to run the team like a pure PG! He can work on his jumper as it will come in pretty much the same spots in this offense. He will thrive pushing the ball and cutting to the hole in this offense. |
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callmened
Posts: 24448 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/26/2012 Member: #4234 |
12/25/2015 5:02 PM
um even though i like(d) his athletic ability, i believe this is his 2nd major knee surgery (he had an ACL tear in his jr in HS). he might be damaged goods and thats why he was waived - for the immortal ish smith
also, the triangle takes patients and IQ to me - both of which he lacks i simply dont think this would be a good fit Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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