Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:bigbasketballs wrote:Knicks1969 wrote:When these two dudes are given minutes (At least 15+ minutes) they produce. And 90% of the time we end up in the win column. I know some will trash the game Vs. the 76ers, because the team is not playing well all season, but if we were to lose, the feeling would be different.
Do u all now believe that Williams and KO MUST play a bigger role for the Knicks to be a success????
Knicks are 7-6 when Williams plays 15+
KO 5-6.
Knicks are 13-14.
Not that convincing an argument.
12 & 12= 50/50. The 13 an 14 might have looked better with the aforementioned
Don't know what that means.
I meant if KO and Williams were to play in the games they were recorded as DNPs, perhaps we would have won
Or lost.
With this dudes on the floor, our transition offense just look superb. For a brief stint, the two were on the floor with Carmelo and KP. I saw one instance where Williams threw an alley oil to Carmelo, which could be a hallmark play if those two are allowed to play together. That lineup gives us length and athleticism; specifically if the coaching staff can find ways to have AFFLALO on the floor at the same time. Before you say who will be on the ball as PG, I elect to have the ball in Carmelo's hands
They can and have done good things. You're remembering those. They can and have been terrible too, you aren't remembering those times.
This is called confirmation bias. You have a particular theory, so you remember and weight their good games as confirmation of your theory.
You said is it safe to assume. It is not. Now understand I'm not saying your wrong, I'm only saying there isn't enough evidence to prove your theory. They've had as many games where they weren't good in 15+ mins as bad.
The whole premise is biased too. They're going to record 15+ mins WHEN they're having good games in the first 14 mins. The games in which thy don't get 15+, it's possible they were awful in the first 14 or less.
Your theory stipulates that Fisher just has to play through the bad first 14 mins and let them keep playing and that's where the theory falters.
It is MORE likely the Knicks are better when DWill and KO play a GOOD 15+. That makes perfect sense. Good a good 30 mins from your bench, that's always a positive.
It's getting the good play that's not automatic with minutes.
My rational remains simply remains the same: play these dudes for 5 straight games at 15+ minutes per game and use their production or lack their off to determine whether or not they deserve a permanent spot in the rotation. From what I have seen thus far, the numbers prove that they can be impactful players if used with the correct combination. It is not simply give them minutes with scrubs and judge them, let them play with three of the starters what contribution we can get out of them.
My favorite line up with this dude is:
Carmelo as point Forward, Afflalo, Williams, KP, KO
CARMELO point Forward, Williams, Lance, KP, and KO
For those of you who might want to kill me for those lineups, please tell me what they are lacking.
Those two lineups would be by far our most agile, athletic, well balanced we can throw out there. All 5 guys can defend, attack, score, and most of all handle the ball
And a bunch of posters that clearly don't understand or don't care about stats. 
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