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12/17/2015  7:29 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
blkexec wrote:Posting this video is like serving steak to a bunch of lions.

But it's interesting to see how he gradually changed over a short time....

He represents all of the KP haters since the day he was drafted.

The dude was never a KP hater. Some of you SAS haters just love to fabricate stories. He is more of a Dolan hater if anything

no he adores dolan because dolan is willing to spend money, and apparently that's all one should expect from an owner. he's a classic radio personality, but lacks class.

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12/18/2015  8:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2015  8:43 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
blkexec wrote:Posting this video is like serving steak to a bunch of lions.

But it's interesting to see how he gradually changed over a short time....

He represents all of the KP haters since the day he was drafted.

The dude was never a KP hater. Some of you SAS haters just love to fabricate stories. He is more of a Dolan hater if anything

Did we watch the same video? He may not be a "hater" but he certainly refused to give KP credit until it became too blindingly obvious that the guy was the real deal and no longer feasible to continue with his initial argument
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12/18/2015  9:41 AM
He never saw the kid, but he went "Hoodwinked and Bamboozled!" any way.
SAS might be well intended but his delivery is an old tired act of taking a stand and running far with it.

Strong words he used to slam the pick and he still has more crow to eat before he makes good. "Never saw him play" is convenient to wiggle out of but like I said, he used some strong words WITHOUT seeing him play which makes him ignorant and a fear mongerer.

He needs a stronger apology to Phil.
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12/18/2015  11:09 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
blkexec wrote:Posting this video is like serving steak to a bunch of lions.

But it's interesting to see how he gradually changed over a short time....

He represents all of the KP haters since the day he was drafted.

The dude was never a KP hater. Some of you SAS haters just love to fabricate stories. He is more of a Dolan hater if anything

Did we watch the same video? He may not be a "hater" but he certainly refused to give KP credit until it became too blindingly obvious that the guy was the real deal and no longer feasible to continue with his initial argument

Exactly.....It's amazing how people can watch the same clip, but have a totally different outlook. What you said was spot on.

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12/18/2015  11:16 AM
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newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

The dude is a die hard fan. You may not like his boisterous ways, but he is a passionate fan. I love the dude

A passionate fan that couldn't even name more than 3 players on the team last year and he said that?? You call that passion?? Someone that won't even watch or go to a game when their team is bad is passionate?? He's not a passionate fan. He's the fan that only roots for his team when they're good so kinda like a chick. He's a clown and a fake fan.
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12/18/2015  11:21 AM
EnySpree wrote:Whatever Stephen A Smith has to say is irrelevant. He is the epitome of the nyc basketball fan. Doom and gloom. Loud mouth that uses the misery of the Knicks franchise to make it seem like he knows what he is talking about. Dude is garbage and needs to be ignored

+1. SAS is a tool and has been on my iggy list a long time.
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12/18/2015  11:23 AM
callmened wrote:im not a big fan of SAS but i have to defend him here. none of us saw KP play overseas and we were told that he would be a 3yr project. i was not happy with the pick simply cuz of my ignorance of never seeing him play (and i thought mudiay could help NOW). but boy am i pleasantly surprised - and YES this offense should be turned over to KP with melo playing the sidekick role

Yeah we were told by these so call basketball experts that he's 3 years away from giving us anything on the court but i said plenty of times before he even played a game for us that he would produce for us in his first year. Don't listen to these so called experts cause they don't know what a player will be in the NBA.
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12/18/2015  11:45 AM
I applaud Phils pick and even applaud his honesty about maybe him being too tall. There have only been 25 players EVER at 7-3 or taller and they did not last long in the league.
Its just time for him to suck it up and own up to "hoodwinked and Bamboozled. Obviously we were not. Just cuz he never saw him play does not mean we were deceived.
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12/18/2015  12:32 PM
truthfully, I was a little bummed out by the KP pick -- however -- when I saw Screamin A's reaction I felt better because the guy is a moron and doesn't understand the nuances of the game. $0.02
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12/18/2015  2:05 PM
I thought it was pretty well established before the draft that at the least KP was one of the most talented players in the draft. I thought if Phil drafted him that it was an indication of just how impressive he must have been for them to take him. This was literally Phil's one and only chance at a franchise talent. No way did I think Phil would waste his one chance on a player that he felt was too much of a risk to fail.

I was pulling for WCS for many of the same reasons Phil ended up taking KP. A big with great mobility that can defend the way teams play now but also get up and down at a high level. KP simply has more offensive ability. The idea that SAS felt Phil was a fraud and had Hoodwinked all of us is beyond absurd. He's a clown and he made a fool of himself starting with all the crap about Melo and spewing so much vitriol before Phil even got thru Free Agency. SAS slandered Phil over and over again.
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12/18/2015  2:24 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

The dude is a die hard fan. You may not like his boisterous ways, but he is a passionate fan. I love the dude


he is TRASH. that is all.
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12/18/2015  2:45 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.
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12/18/2015  2:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2015  2:51 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/
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12/18/2015  2:59 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.


Yeah but once we started going thru the options at #4 which we did do, there was ample time to do some research, which we did. There was ample time to discuss the possibility of KP being the pick. No one knew if he would be able to contribute early on. We did know that he had talent tho. All that mattered was how long we would have to wait for KP to be able to contribute and how much of a risk of him being a bust there was. All picks have a risk of busting. Still there was no reason for SAS to go so far as to call Phil a fraud and a bamboozler. SAS held out Winslow as the right kind of pick as if not picking him meant that Phil was lying to us about trying to make the team better.

SAS never really gave credence to the fact that this was Phil's only chance at a franchise talent. Not just wanting a decent player but a franchise changing player. Phil did the right thing in swinging for the fences and SAS bashed him mercilessly for it. SAS really never addressed the rest of the summer which was almost as important as the pick in many ways. Too much bombast and bluster from SAS. Not a lot of depth of thought or research on his part.
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12/18/2015  3:02 PM
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/

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seriously...that site was updated June 25th. Now guess what the NBA draft was held?

I know people on this site have this thing about trying to prove people wrong all the time but c'mon, you are going to honestly tell me that FANS and "so-called" experts wanted the Knicks to draft KP?
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12/18/2015  3:06 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/

photoshop

seriously...that site was updated June 25th. Now guess what the NBA draft was held?

I know people on this site have this thing about trying to prove people wrong all the time but c'mon, you are going to honestly tell me that FANS and "so-called" experts wanted the Knicks to draft KP?


I thought we did a very good job of looking at the options this summer. Kristaps was one of those we looked into.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=51178&page=1
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12/18/2015  3:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2015  3:22 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/

photoshop

seriously...that site was updated June 25th. Now guess what the NBA draft was held?

I know people on this site have this thing about trying to prove people wrong all the time but c'mon, you are going to honestly tell me that FANS and "so-called" experts wanted the Knicks to draft KP?

Besides the fact why would you edit your mock draft after the draft and not have it actually reflect th draft, okay, how about the 24th then?

http://www.businessinsider.com/final-nba-mock-draft-for-all-30-1st-round-picks-2015-6

No, here is one from February that had KP going 5th.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/full-2015-nba-mock-draft-2815/

April, KP is again 5th.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/16/2015-nba-mock-draft-karl-anthony-towns-jahlil-okafor-emmanuel-mudiay

That KP was some out of left field pick is a myth. He was a consensus high lottery pick from day 1. And mock draft by so-called "experts" don't pick who they want the team to pick but who they think the team will pick.

As to fans, yes, a decent percentage of fans who as far as I can tell acknowledge didn't want to pick him out of ignorance.

But to say nobody had him on their radar is just wrong. The consensus mocks had him going 4 to the Knicks before the draft, Knicks fan just were in denial.
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bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/

photoshop

seriously...that site was updated June 25th. Now guess what the NBA draft was held?

I know people on this site have this thing about trying to prove people wrong all the time but c'mon, you are going to honestly tell me that FANS and "so-called" experts wanted the Knicks to draft KP?

Besides the fact why would you edit your mock draft after the draft and not have it actually reflect th draft, okay, how about the 24th then?

http://www.businessinsider.com/final-nba-mock-draft-for-all-30-1st-round-picks-2015-6

No, here is one from February that had KP going 5th.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/full-2015-nba-mock-draft-2815/

April, KP is again 5th.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/16/2015-nba-mock-draft-karl-anthony-towns-jahlil-okafor-emmanuel-mudiay

That KP was some out of left field pick is a myth. He was a consensus high lottery pick from day 1. And mock draft by so-called "experts" don't pick who they want the team to pick but who they think the team will pick.

As to fans, yes, a decent percentage of fans who as far as I can tell acknowledge didn't want to pick him out of ignorance.

But to say nobody had him on their radar is just wrong. The consensus mocks had him going 4 to the Knicks before the draft, Knicks fan just were in denial.

first of all...When I said NO ONE, I was referring to KNICK NATION (fans), not the NBA as a whole.

2 of the 3 links had him going #5 to the Magic, and since Orlando actually drafted M.Hezonja (another Euro player), just tells me that it was no big secret that they were ALWAYS looking for a project player that they can bring up slowly.

the one link that had Knicks picking KP was done the day before the draft (they didn't seem to edit their draft)...I'm not going to give them credit for that. The link that Nixluva provided shows some on this site were already warming up to the idea of possibly drafting KP

but whatever Big Balls. I was wrong...Thanks for putting me straight. you the man!
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12/18/2015  4:11 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/

photoshop

seriously...that site was updated June 25th. Now guess what the NBA draft was held?

I know people on this site have this thing about trying to prove people wrong all the time but c'mon, you are going to honestly tell me that FANS and "so-called" experts wanted the Knicks to draft KP?

Besides the fact why would you edit your mock draft after the draft and not have it actually reflect th draft, okay, how about the 24th then?

http://www.businessinsider.com/final-nba-mock-draft-for-all-30-1st-round-picks-2015-6

No, here is one from February that had KP going 5th.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/full-2015-nba-mock-draft-2815/

April, KP is again 5th.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/16/2015-nba-mock-draft-karl-anthony-towns-jahlil-okafor-emmanuel-mudiay

That KP was some out of left field pick is a myth. He was a consensus high lottery pick from day 1. And mock draft by so-called "experts" don't pick who they want the team to pick but who they think the team will pick.

As to fans, yes, a decent percentage of fans who as far as I can tell acknowledge didn't want to pick him out of ignorance.

But to say nobody had him on their radar is just wrong. The consensus mocks had him going 4 to the Knicks before the draft, Knicks fan just were in denial.

first of all...When I said NO ONE, I was referring to KNICK NATION (fans), not the NBA as a whole.

2 of the 3 links had him going #5 to the Magic, and since Orlando actually drafted M.Hezonja (another Euro player), just tells me that it was no big secret that they were ALWAYS looking for a project player that they can bring up slowly.

the one link that had Knicks picking KP was done the day before the draft (they didn't seem to edit their draft)...I'm not going to give them credit for that. The link that Nixluva provided shows some on this site were already warming up to the idea of possibly drafting KP

but whatever Big Balls. I was wrong...Thanks for putting me straight. you the man!

The one link you refer to is a consensus mock draft… meaning it compiled the mocks of prominent writers.

These are just a few of the sites that had the Knicks picking KP.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/06/18/mock-draft-second-version/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3c

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft-extended/2015/

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/23/nba-mock-draft-karl-towns-jahlil-okafor-kristaps-porzingis-rj-hunter-emmanuel-mudiay

As to "Knick nation" all I meant to convey is there was NO reason for KP not to be on Knicks nation's radar, because he was in that neighborhood all along and as it got closer to the draft, the consensus started to come around to him.

I don't know why Knicks Nations denied his selection, but as history proves, the reasons weren't good.

Knicks Nation would have blown this draft and set the franchise back years. Sort of puts things in perspective when Knicks Nation collectively ride players or coaches...
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12/18/2015  4:13 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Well....I agree about most of us. Unfortunately I'm one of the few that said picking at 4 might force us to select KP who could posibly be the best player in the draft. But I agree.....there were only a few guys that liked him....others wanted to trade down and pick Kaminsky because they thought he was a better pick.

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